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Gun control is important. But in the mean time we need to find a cure of crazy

As long as crazy cant get a gun, thats the first step.

Still won't answer a direct question.

Heroin is unlawful yet there is a heroin "epidemic".
Hand grenades are unlawful to possess but law breakers possess them.
Nuclear weapons - plain silly to mention.

And to your compatriot, or alt - laws apply only to the lawful. The lawful aren't shooting up churches, concerts, street corners, shopping malls, marathons, schools, etc. Why deprive them of a means of protecting themselves from harm.

And it serves to mention that the gunman's spree was cut short by an armed citizen who shot back.

Furthermore, I could ask you - if guns are not necessary for self defense then why do the police carry them? Police are not a solution. If they were, there would be no murder or mayhem in our society. They prevent nothing because stuff usually happens wherever they are not.

I admire your ability to dream. But as long as there is more than one person on the planet there can be no Utopia. Just ask Adam.

Hand grenades are unlawful to possess but law breakers possess them.--- How many do you own? How many Americans killed in the US with them? Thanks for proving the point regulations work. Why have speeding laws? speeders gonna speed right? So you think that if we make heroin legal and easy to get, it will help fix the 'epidemic? is that what you are saying?

I would be very concerned about who is allowed to define the parameters of mental illness, if you plan to use that to restrict Constitutionally guaranteed rights. One man's "crazy" is another man's "patriot".

How does gun control solve the occurrence of such incidents?

How many Americans in America have been killed by grenade or rpg in the last 20 years? Why do you think that is?

Great tangent but you failed to attempt an answer to my question.

It was an answer, try and keep up. The reason no one has been killed by a hand grenade or rpg is because they are heavily regulated. Got it yet?

It is an answer, but not to the question.

Your insults are simply masking of having no clear understanding of what you are asserting.

Forget all other forms of weaponry - how does outlawing the private ownership of guns prevent this from occurring?

who said anything about banning the private ownership of guns? You know many nations in the world have guns and no shootings or very few, because in those nations killing tools designed for warfare are not allowed to be sold. You want bold action for hunting? no problemo. you want a 6-12 shot handgun or a double barrel shotgun? no problemo. You want a semiauto rifle and butstock to go with your carton of hand grenades? Big problemo, and they need to be banned. Now stop jumping to conclusions and get with the program.

QUOTE: "As long as crazy cant get a gun, thats the first step."

YOU said something about banning private ownership of guns about 30 minutes ago.

You placed no qualifiers such as bump stocks (it's not butstock) on ownership.

I'm sure you don't believe that 5 people murdered in a church with a single shot shotgun is more acceptable than 30 with a rapid fire rifle.

So, again, how does gun control prevent murderers from murdering others using guns?

P.S. That was a statement (the 5 vs. 30) not a question.

Quit deflecting and misdirecting. You haven't shifted attention away from the fact you are being evasive in answering my initial question.

God means nothing to the godless, morality means nothing to the immoral, and the law means nothing to the lawless.

So, yet again, how does gun control prevent murderers from murdering others using guns?

Urmemesofat, since you can't be replied to, I do it this way....

Gun control does NOT prevent murderers from obtaining guns, merely makes it unlawful to do so, much like the murder they are intending to unlawfully commit.

Gun control DOES prevent "law abiding" citizens from possessing guns to protect their life and liberty against gun toting foreign invaders, domestic tyrants, and the murderers, thieves, etc.

Freedom is the opportunity to make choices. Your choice to not own a gun is great - for you. However, neither you nor the government has the right to make my choice for me. Taking a knife to a gun fight never worked out well for anyone.

I gotta ask - what weapon do you prefer people be murdered with?

The last several terrorist attacks (and the current ISIS 'approved' form of mayhem) is Vehicular Homicide. You see? Taking away this or banning that or restricting the other thing does NOT solve the problem. Killers always find a way to kill. It is part of the price we pay for having Constitutionally guaranteed liberty.

Would you like to solve the problem? I know how, and it's shockingly simple: Tear up the Constitution and convert America into a full-on fascist police state. Why only take half-measures? A bolt-action rifle or shotgun can be just as deadly as any semi-auto. Pistols are concealable. When you get right down to it, only the police and the military should have guns anyway, right? Stop doing things halfway and have the courage of your convictions. Once you start down that road, it's where you'll end up eventually anyway, so why waste time doing it incrementally? Go big or go home. Either you support the Constitution and particularly the 2nd and 4th amendments, or you support a fascist police-state. Pick one or the other, because there is no middle ground to be had here.

How's Chicago working out for you leftists?

*I* haven't ever needed to use a hand grenade, but men with evil intentions will go to the places where they can buy them. That's the thing - evil will always get what they want by **whatever methods** they can use. The only ones stopped by the law are those who respect the law. Criminals, BY DEFINITION, do not respect the law. Ponder that a while, why don't you? Also, I'd suggest taking a look at Switzerland's gun laws

You missed my point again. The point being that the Swiss have the lowest amount of murders in the **world** due to the fact that **every house has at least one gun in it**

The fact of the matter is that when more people have **legal access** to firearms, the lower the crime rate. Why? Because no criminal wants to engage in a potentially fatal situation. ( psst. This is also why "gun free zones" don't work. Criminals see that and see "Oh, no one can stop me here" )

http://www.kennesaw-ga.gov/crime-statistics/

Here's proof that "more folks with guns makes you safer". Chew on that, why don't you?

omg a little hick town with 32k we have more than that in a decent sized BUILDING in NYC.... proves nothing. just that you need to get out more.

Apologies to postal workers but the phrase "going postal" unfortunately has become a catch-all for a lot of the nuttiness out there.

That's awful.

Well that's just it. How can someone relax at a movie or concert or even a mall food court in the middle of the afternoon knowing it could happen. We've had shootings up here but they are very rare.

Went to a concert in August (Guns n roses) and was thinking that very thing. It’s just part of life now, we will have to be extra aware of our surroundings.

Yes and be aware of your exit strategy.

That’s right

It's sad that we as a society have come to this

We as a society have become complacent. This stuff ain't new.

It wasn't that long ago that you might be tending your field, tanning your hides, foraging for food, or grinding your corn by hand when a raiding party from the tribe across the river would swoop down and kill the lot of you.

You must always maintain situational awareness and responsibility for your own physical security. Relying on statutes and policing to do it for you is a model for failure.

When a person, a people, submit themselves to dependence for their "safety" they are eventually terrorized by both the "evil doers" and their "protector".

I can't believe the guy that did this was even the same species as the innocent people he killed.

I know. I really wish they could have captured him alive and had some specialist get to the core of the mindset of these types.

It's pathetic. Its cowardly. And if that's what they believe is right (that's also pathetic), then why would they kill themselves afterwards? The world is doomed.

I struggle with thoughts of suicide every day. But I know that when the time comes, taking others with me will be the last thing on my mind. It makes no sense why people would do that.

None at all.

Also, on the suicide note, if people avoid talking about it, doesn't mean they don't care, they just may not know what to say. Hope this might help :)