To my fellow imgflippers: perhaps it's time to ask the mods for a downvote timer? this troll problem is getting RIDICULOUS

To my fellow imgflippers: perhaps it's time to ask the mods for a downvote timer? this troll problem is getting RIDICULOUS | HOW ARE YOU DOING BACK THERE? SOME PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T LIKE WHAT I HAD TO SAY DOWNVOTED ME INTO A 2 MINUTE WAIT! IS SOMETHING WRONG? | image tagged in the rock driving,memes,downvotes,trolls,moderators,censorship | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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27 ups, 6 replies
I, KenJ, am a free speech extremist, but there are those on site that envelop you in a downvote swarm if you disagree with them or even 'look' at them funny. Claims of being 'insulting' fly and then an hour later I've lost the ability to use pictures, I'm on a 4 minute comment timer, and I've lost a submission. And it's been happening day after day. And I'm not the only one, I've heard many stories. At a certain point downvoting is no longer free speech but becomes a method of suppressing free speech. Perhaps limiting downvotes to 'x' number an hour might help? Or even letting the downvoted know who is doing so? I know downvote limits might not stop the committed trolls from swarming with alt accounts, but it might make it harder, or make the easily offended think twice about mindless, quick vengeance.

Thank you for your ear...
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17 ups, 3 replies
I agree with limiting or eliminating downvotes. I think that would solve a lot of the problems. The situation makes me think of the imgflip peacy treaty imgflip.com/i/1iovkh
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16 ups, 1 reply
the peace treaty, IIRC, didn't really last long. Trolls used it as an opening for a field day. I was being blocked consistently before and after. I sent feedback forms and named people I suspected of being behind it. I usually had full service returned in short order. helped that I had a pro account, too.
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14 ups, 1 reply
I notice that flagging threatening comments and sending e-mails to [email protected] with copied obnoxious statements tends to restore service quicker than just begging for upvotes. I am not inside the heads of the administrators or moderators so I don't know for certain, but I imagine some of the more extreme users are noted as being so and keep getting flagged. So I'm also saying continued flagging and e-mailing in conjunction with slowed downvotes should temper the power of a negative few.
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12 ups, 1 reply
Yes. I mentioned one of the suspected perps in a couple of my e-mails and phone calls. I noticed that shortly afterwards, my timers had disappeared (I'd also got a pro account. money talks) and, amazingly enough, said trolls were suddenly not posting as much or not making the hot pages with their extremist drivel. Two or three of them were complaining that their memes weren't being featured because of being downvoted back into submission. One is already complaining about it because upset that I won't follow their line of BS.
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11 ups, 1 reply
Just today I looked at a couple other user's memes complaining about their being downvoted to obscurity, and I noticed a couple of sympathetic comments were from users who I know have been troll downvoting me. I had to do the literal Robert Downey eye roll. :P
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10 ups, 2 replies
Yeah. I had one accuse me of downvoting her replies to my comments. I think she was upset because I stood my ground. She acts like she wants to debate but pulls bullshit arguments out of nowhere.
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10 ups, 1 reply
gee wiz I wonder who you could be talking about, lmao!
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11 ups, 1 reply
Trust me, it's not anyone of real importance
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7 ups, 1 reply
:)
6 ups
Substitute listening/writing/reading ;)
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6 ups
Sounds like one of mine. :P
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14 ups, 1 reply
... and if you limited the upvote the whole sense of this page would have been in doubt.

But I agree, something should be done - even if I wasn't affected by a red "paint bomb" ride so far.
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12 ups, 1 reply
I have to disagree - in a friendly manner. :) Upvotes by their very nature are positive. Maybe they have been abused by those seeking to advance their own creations, but no-one is losing the ability to use the site easily due to upvote abuse. (I was recently flagged by a Big User incorrectly for spamming when all I was doing was linking creations of mine to a friend on site, but it was resolved quickly.) Downvotes are negative and can be abused to hamper the creative abilities of those on site who have made enemies, often for no other reason than having an opposing view on an issue. Limiting downvotes to a (very) few an hour would make people think about their use and perhaps get them more properly used to express strong disagreements to those who might make offensive statements. A downvote, as currently situated, is more powerful than an upvote, and having a negative more powerful than a positive is a recipe for those who would attack rather than construct to have more power.
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8 ups, 1 reply
I agree with your ideas in your first comment. Especially the part about letting down voted users know who's dragging their reply time and points down.
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6 ups
Maybe if it's a user who is downvoting on a meme and it's comments a lot, or if it's someone who is downvoting a particular user many times. I think there are a few meeker users who just want to register their disapproval quietly once. If they were known I know there are trollish users on here who would attack them in a huff, and that might limit commenting by those meek users or even drive them away. I find downvotes okay, but when it becomes mass use to censor or limit a particular user then it loses it's legitimacy.
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10 ups
Never heard of the peace treaty. I was probably in a flame war with someone. :) Anyway, I'm not arguing to eliminate downvotes, just limiting their use over a period of time. They're being used en masse to get revenge on users that some users don't like. I know alt accounts won't be affected as much, but it will slow people down. Right now there are a small group of people, who will remain unnamed here, who are wielding out-sized power on the site because they are able to get others to agree to swarm certain users with downvotes and flaggings.
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15 ups, 2 replies
Apparently someone is attacking isayisay now and one of my submissions today is getting attacked too...
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14 ups, 1 reply
Been happening a lot to various users. Why I thought it was time to broach the subject more thoroughly.
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11 ups, 1 reply
LOL
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9 ups
No one is teflon anymore. ;)
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9 ups, 1 reply
I've been getting down vote constantly too. I see votes on week old memes withering away. Today, I'm on some kind of time that made me wait before I could add a comment. How horrible have my comments been? Like this: imgflip.com/gif/1ui5i7
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9 ups, 1 reply
Have you had any arguments lately? That's usually where it starts...
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10 ups, 2 replies
I just left you my reply. I posted my comment. I come back, and my reply is no where. Can you contact the owner of this site?
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9 ups, 1 reply
Replies sometimes take time to show up. I've seen that many times. But when I reload the page 5+ minutes later it is there. Also I don't think down votes are subtracted from the upvote count when a meme is displayed. Votes going down could be due to people accidentally clicking on the upvote button again (which of course retracts the vote) or just a system glitch.
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7 ups, 1 reply
My fear is accidentally clicking the downvote arrow when I meant to click the upvote, and not realizing it. Mortified though no-one is likely ever to find out. I'm pretty anal about checking if I did it right. ;)
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6 ups
The two buttons are too close together it is all too easy to misclick.
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9 ups, 1 reply
I can't contact them any easier than you can...just use the feedback form tab...that's all I would do...they don't show me any special treatment around here.
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10 ups, 2 replies
My reply was that I don't know anyone here. So I have no bias. If there is something I don't like, I don't down vote, I just move on. My memes have been getting hard core down voted for a month. I just quietly up vote every comment in a good meme. Like this one. Every comment got an upvote. It promotes a good spirit.
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9 ups, 1 reply
It was probably as simple as something you said to someone and it set them off somehow...hard to tell if they're attacking you from the dark.
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10 ups, 1 reply
I'm letting it go, because I don't talk to anyone here!!!! Ha, ha. Only you and DashHopes I give compliments to. I do know 1 thing: Facebook used to be my life. A former girlfriend kept track of every move I made. So in April, I quit FB cold turkey, and began here. I've seen evidence to make me believe they followed me here. They have no life unless they have secret control over others. They really need to get out more. I'm having a blast here. Notice how I avoid politics and religion? Just crazy slap stick stuff. Monty Python and Airplane are my type of humor.
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10 ups, 1 reply
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5 ups
The hardcore downvoting is what I'm trying to get clipped here. Keep up the good spirit. :)
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17 ups, 1 reply
I'm with you on this. Changes are needed to prevent down vote abuse.
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10 ups, 1 reply
Amen. I don't think they should be done away with completely, just limited. Like people on comment probation are limited now. A sign popping up saying 'please wait 1 hour to downvote' would be less bothersome to most (I imagine) than the common 'please wait 122 seconds to comment' is. The idea behind the comment timer is to keep those who would comment troll a meme limited in their swarming abilities.
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9 ups, 1 reply
Forgive me if this betrays my lack of tech knowledge but I've thought of the timer in terms of not allowing more at one time than could be handled by the tech doohickeymajiggz. Is that a possible factor? One can comment a lot in a very short period including using meme commenting if there's no timer istm. There's gotta be some capacity limit though for all I know that's not actually a problem at this time. *shrug*
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8 ups, 1 reply
If I get your gist: I think a comment timer comes into play for the purpose of limiting trolls from dominating a conversation. DashHopes successfully worked to get the comment timer turned off if you are commenting on your own meme creation, but I do see the point in having a mass commenter who seeks to have their say at the expense of others being slowed down. I do think it's too limiting at times, but I can take that. I just don't like the idea of a person or group of people being able to downvote a person to a point where they end up on probation, usually merely for taking an opposing viewpoint.

I have no tech knowledge myself. And I know nothing of the doohickeymajiggz. :)
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6 ups, 1 reply
Ya you got my gist. Thanks. It's weird. I get held up by the standard 3 min timer at times but it seems to come into play at times when I've surely had comments posted less the 3 min apart. Like post comment, immediately notice typo, post correction comment all well under 3 minutes. And it seems like the timer kicks in but might go away for a few comments later if things time out right. Really there are stretches where I'm rapidly pouring out comments for a while before I'm told "you're commenting a lot!" in the little box that pops up. Sometimes I forget there is a timer. Is that all normal?
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5 ups
Yep. There is little logic that I can see to the programming on here. Everyone has the same problems on imgflip. My complaint is that when you get dinged en masse and can't comment much at all.
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12 ups, 2 replies
Or instead of "x" number per hour, what about "x" number per day? Wouldn't a more moderate daily number possibly make the people doing this think twice to if a better comment might be coming later to downvote. And if this were to happen and these people made more alt accounts wouldn't that make it easier for the Mods to see who they are?
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12 ups, 2 replies
while the idea is good, there is still the problem of alt accounts. it can be time consuming to switch back and forth from other accounts in a short period of time, but if it's set at a daily number it's easily done and the trolling continues.
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14 ups, 1 reply
Alt accounts ARE the big problem with my idea. And it is hard for the admins to target who is alt and who is not; anonymity on the 'net has its drawbacks but is mostly for the good, allowing many to say what they want without being physically targeted. I do think that if hourly (or daily) limits are set, even alt troll attacks would lose punch. I find most of those who I suspicion of swarm trolling me to be rather lazy when it comes to organization.
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12 ups, 3 replies
Some of them can get organized because they have something in common: mental illness.
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11 ups, 3 replies
Another no shit moment: the trolls that are active know they aren't as good or as intellegent as the people they troll. Your trolls are wannabes. They think their memes are a real hoot, but forget the basics of most humor: set up then punch line. make humor that reflects a large audience. So what if a home room teacher licks between his toes during study hall or that Denise has cooties. they could be funny if they weren't second grade taunts. I know you could pull off those scenarios with humor. but your trolls couldn't deliver a funny joke if their lives depended on it. my trolls? on humor posts, are rarely humorous. on comments, they just blindly repeat the BS their parents tell them. Notice a trend? school children. There are a few school age people here that are good and intellegent. but they are in the minority. (tigerlegend comes to mind)
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13 ups, 1 reply
I've seen and been through enough bullshit in real life that very little bothers me on the internet so they are already fighting a losing battle when they mess with me...I'm smart enough to know that they can only bother me it I want to be bothered...which is hardly ever.
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5 ups, 1 reply
I've got a hide of leather so insults from knobs don't bother me. It's when they go mass-downvote in secret that I get my irish up. And I didn't start this campaign so much to help me as much as I got peeved when I saw some semi-political statements Octavia_Melody made that got downvoted to 'low rated comment' status despite them being polite and innocuous, while the bile continued to fly around him. It's utter bullsquirt. If sh!theads won't be courageous enough to accuse in person then maybe we can force 'em to, or f#ck off.
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6 ups, 1 reply
If you argue politics or religion, you deserve whatever you get in my opinion.
5 ups
Person-to-person. If one has to go behind one's back to wreak revenge over an issue then it isn't politics, it's mental illness.
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10 ups, 1 reply
Lol typed in flattered and that was all that came up. Seriously, thanks a lot! :)
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6 ups, 2 replies
My cat missed me and is trying to help me type. wiped out my original reply. Your intelligence will take you far. in fact, by the time you're my age, you have a chance of taking the number one spot. I just turned 60.
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3 ups, 1 reply
Lol! Thanks! I just want to reach a million points, but obviously I'd love to get even higher. I'll keep going! :)
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2 ups
I'm getting close, but don't think I'll hit my goal by Labor Day. That week in the hospital hurt.
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1 up
:)
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6 ups
Or the 'adult' ones blindly repeat the BS they find on some extreme website. :P
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9 ups, 1 reply
That could be its own meme, lol
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6 ups
True, true. Maybe you should make something like that?
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10 ups, 1 reply
Yeah, one of mine is very manipulative. I can see some self-absorbed and compulsive tendencies there. Another is so bipolar it just screams off the page.
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11 ups, 1 reply
Since Imgflip relies on advertising dollars, perhaps a letter of complaint to some of the advertisers might get response. Mention how many of the actual posters here have left the site because imgflip refuses to police the site and eliminate trolls.
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7 ups
That probably would work. I'm going to see how this campaign goes first. I haven't received a reply to my feedback, though they have you leave your e-mail address to receive one. Me thinks they are a little too secretive at times.
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2 ups
I'm sure there'd be a way around it with alt accounts, but I just wanted to throw it out there, as another idea. Possibly with assistance to try and control the trolling.
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11 ups, 2 replies
That's an idea to chew on. I just want to see some limits. That goes against my very nature of free expression at all costs, but as this functions more or less as a public forum but in a private setting, some rules are agreed to and thus some limits are allowable. Or else those who object can always go elsewhere; it isn't as if the 'net is hurting for places where opinions can be expressed passionately. Yeah, whether hourly or daily is fine with me. Hourly might stop mass attacks more efficiently, but daily would do as you said, make those thinking of downvoting perhaps wait until a better use might come up.
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6 ups, 1 reply
the problem is, we can't really be a productive community if there are constantly time constraints like we're playing a damn f2p mobile game. lmao
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5 ups
The comment timer needs to be loosened up I agree, if not dispensed with all together, but a fair downvote timer might actually build a better community.
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4 ups, 1 reply
Just trying to help...
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3 ups, 1 reply
You have. Not only by commenting here but by being decent and friendly on imgflip. :)
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3 ups, 2 replies
I try to treat people as I would like to be treated. I joined under the impression that this was for fun and to make others smile. Not for confrontational chaos. I prefer to see people smile as I do. :)
Thank you again for your compliment! :)
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2 ups
People drag their issues with them everywhere. I'm guilty too. But there's 100 incidences of fun on imgflip for every incident of annoyance, so I stay. :)
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2 ups, 1 reply
:)
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2 ups, 1 reply
:)
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2 ups, 1 reply
Cheers :)
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2 ups
:)
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11 ups, 1 reply
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10 ups
Yeah, exactly. When I point out that I'm using my free speech to call them on the carpet for talking sh!t, that's when the secretive downvoting usually comes. Free speech is being able to say what you want, not say what you want without repercussions.

Thanks. :)
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9 ups, 1 reply
If you've been on here for literally any length of time and voiced anything at all, pretty much guaranteed you have a personal troll squad following you. Incredibly frustrating and easily abused.
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8 ups
I don't know if mine follow just me around, I think they f#ck over a lot of people. Thanks for your input. :)
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18 ups, 1 reply
So... Upvotes don't have any real appreciable effects (beyond the first few thousand required to comment with a meme, etc.), so why do downvotes have all these punitive effects?

It's basically giving guard uniforms to the inmates...
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11 ups, 1 reply
Yessir. Some people have become quite skilled with downvotes and thus their power has become outsized on imgflip. I'm just asking that their ability to troll swarm and hamper a (usually innocently confused) person's ability to navigate this site should be put under not-particularly-tight restrictions. I'm against censorship, but mass downvoting has become a form of censorship.
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3 ups, 1 reply
It is censorship. If you disagree with the majority here and/or are adept at making getting your point across, you can be sure to get locked out of meme commenting and ending up on a 6 minute timer. Meanwhile I'm seeing others on this site who make unprovoked personal attacks on a regular basis seemingly without repercussions at all...
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3 ups
The site definitely leans conservative, and I've seen indications the moderators do too. But that's not gonna drive me off. ;) Conservatives tend to be angrier, and thus more likelier to take offense to the point of wanting revenge. But downvote attacks can happen to anyone of any political stripe here. I've seen two conservatives of similar beliefs have a flame war with each other. ;D
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14 ups, 2 replies
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14 ups
Thanks for the support. :)
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13 ups
I propose: eliminate them totally. There's no use for them. Maybe the idea behind it was nice and noble, but daily life here prooves, that it is more often misused ...
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13 ups, 1 reply
I think they should just nix the downvotes! It's only a weapon for trolls :)
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12 ups, 1 reply
Ehhhh - like I said to DudeFromEurope, they have their use. Imagine how much more flamey the flame wars on here would become if some people didn't have another outlet for dissent? I know of several users who left the site because all the negativity they perceived bothered them. I have a tough hide and no one is going to drive me from imgflip, but there are some who don't have the defense mechanisms I or others do, and having to dig oneself out of a troll hole is often the decider between staying or leaving. If trolls had less of a chance to swarm with downvotes hopefully more might stay and the diversity of opinions would increase (that's not particularly good at the moment), and retaining some downvoting might allow some to blow off steam without it coming to a head and causing troll wars.
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13 ups, 3 replies
I think the flag button is plenty, that way the mods can review it! It's sad when someone like memespirited has a meme on top of the front page and it gets downvoted back to submission! And just yesterday a meme I had given isayisay was voted back down! That's not fair to anyone! :)
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11 ups, 1 reply
Actually, MemeSpirited said he asked the mods what happened via a feedback form. He reports he heard from the mods and they pulled the plug on the meme. The same thing happened to me on one of mine in the spring, now I know what not to do on my creations.
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12 ups, 1 reply
Why would they do that?
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10 ups, 3 replies
No captions. I can send you a link if you want. Here is MemeSpirited's quote of an email he got from imgflip

"That's because it's a blatant ripoff of someone else's work and you did not add any value to the image, and you deliberately added a dot in the meme text to circumvent the check. Imgflip is a community for creativity, not for a recycle bin for the rest of the internet."
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13 ups
Wow! That's kind of harsh in a way! I see it every day with memes, and especially gifs! :)
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9 ups, 3 replies
"you deliberately added a dot in the meme text to circumvent the check"

What does that mean? He copied someone else's meme but added a dot so the text wouldn't be an exact word-for-word match, and avoid being discovered as plagiarism?
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8 ups
I think it means he already had all the text he wanted in the image itself, so the easiest thing to do was just add a dot and then submit it *shrug*.
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7 ups, 1 reply
The submission guidelines are there to help users improve the odds of a submitted creation to feature. I had a bunch of creations that didn't feature in the spring, Swiggy told me that no captions or a period will hurt your chances of a meme featuring. Before I read MemeSpirited's quote, it never occurred to me that a mod might come in and take a creation back to submitted. It happened to me on one of mine, which made the front page and then showed up as submitted. I'm fine with that, even though I submitted a feedback form and never heard why. Now I know. There is a silver lining, guidance for the future. Always add captions.
Some users like to say the mods are inconsistent, (ie featuring memes wIth foreign language, etc.) I've seen custom memes with foreign language feature, which implies they were reviewed and approved by a mod. I like those memes. I don't presume being a mod is an easy job or always fun. You can't please everyone all the time.
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5 ups
I think the inconsistency comes from there being numerous mods. And secrecy allows for satisfying prejudices. (I've never heard anyone on here say the mods were without fault.) I think if a creation makes it to the top pages or receives a lot of upvotes/view/comments then is pushed back to 'submitted' then the mods should offer the user an explanation and a chance to defend their creation. I prefer originality, but there's usually no absolute originality in the modern world.
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5 ups, 1 reply
Every meme has to have text. Usually it's in comment or reply. Take an existing meme, add a period andset
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5 ups
Set font to "0". It's handyifthe text really needs to be formated in a specific way. I realized when I had one or two not feature. What i did was set the text to 0, and filled the text boxes accordingly. My diner of despair is done like that. I make it with my own graphics program upload, and do that voo doo
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4 ups
Well if that were true then the mods/admins need to remove about a third of the hot pages every day. :P It sounds like a personal beef from an individual moderator.
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11 ups, 2 replies
The flag button has been good to me. (But I've also been wrongly flagged.) If you get swarmed by downvotes it's a bee-yatch to swim up to get air just to figure out what to flag. I just think that if you get x number of downvotes an hour the sane people will apply them more conscientiously and the unsane will think twice on blowing precious ammunition when they might need it more later - or perhaps have blown it all quickly.

That would be the 'sooicidal' meme? :D I've felt bad that I haven't got to isayisay's memes lately since I've been digging myself out of my own messes and also trying to stir things up with this anti-downvote advocacy. But what you're saying about memes being downvoted into submission again - which I personally don't think should be allowed to happen; once it's in it should be in - is happening to a lesser degree to this very meme. My What If I Told You/notifications/trolling meme has fewer views, comments, and upvotes than this one, but it was on page two when I last checked about 30 minutes ago. Obviously someone(s) are doing some big downvoting, only not enough to overcome the response to it.
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12 ups, 1 reply
I have two famous followers and their friends who are always trying to downvote me to hell lol :)
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8 ups, 1 reply
My trolls tend to be two or three who get upset by my political positions and then make it personal because I have the gall to respond. Thus my other What If I Told You/notifications meme.
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8 ups, 1 reply
If only they could be like the politicians and have no comment Lol :)
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7 ups
:D
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9 ups, 1 reply
Addressing the down vote system is much important right now. :)
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6 ups
Let's hope something comes of it. :)
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10 ups
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13 ups, 3 replies
Seriously, I've never been able to understand why that red "paint bomb" existed. I mean, if I don't like a meme I simply don't push the green button.
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12 ups, 1 reply
I agree with you there. If I've ever downvoted something it was once and a very long time ago that I can't remember. If I don't like something I move on; if it's heinous then I may argue, but I won't downvote even racist or homophobic speech. I believe in free expression above all, and also it's better to know who the idiots are to begin with. ;) That said, I don't propose eliminating downvotes completely. I think having a quiet way to express dissatisfaction with an opinion without directly confronting a user is good to have for some people. They're not all proto-assholes like me who likes to poke a huffy tiger every once in a while. But instead of stealthy attacks, come back at me with an argument. I respect that more than hiding and clicking.
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9 ups, 1 reply
:)
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5 ups, 1 reply
;)
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4 ups, 1 reply
:)
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3 ups, 1 reply
;)
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3 ups, 1 reply
:)
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13 ups, 3 replies
And also, I think if you're meme makes it to the front page or maybe the top two pages, they shouldn't be allowed to be downvoted back into submission or flagged. It they make it to the top couple pages, it means that the majority of the imgflippers liked the meme and weren't offended by it.
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10 ups, 2 replies
That's an interesting idea. If someone has a problem with any of the 1st 28 memes they could contact a mod right? There's no approach that will please 90% much less all but there's gotta be a better set up than the present one.
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12 ups, 2 replies
One of my more recent memes made it to the front page in only 9 hours and had nearly 30 upvotes when it reached it. Then suddenly it went back to submitted when it had 45 upvotes. Looked to me like someone complained about it. And it wasn't even an offensive meme. Someone just thought I shouldn't be on the front page, I guess.
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10 ups, 1 reply
Aw that stinks. :( It leaves me torn between wanting my stuff to get more attention (cuz I think a lot of it's pretty good and want ppl to get a laff or an insight or a warm fuzzy from a cute pic) and being glad for the benefits of obscurity. lol
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12 ups
I am probably one of the top users who have been pretty obscure for the most part. I think the bigger users like Raydog and DashHopes get the most attention and keeps me hidden for the most part.
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8 ups
Another thing that might be nice is that when a meme is flagged then the creator should get a message about it and should be able to defend it. It does seem now that the mods just pull something when someone flags it. Or maybe even a system where if a meme is flagged there would be something on it for a while asking for votes to go or stay. But I think your situation above shows what I'm getting at here: people ganging together to censor something, or someone, they don't like by mass downvoting.
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9 ups, 1 reply
But then enlies the problem of memes like the 'all I said was Mohammed was a paedophile' meme that practically started a war, yet got 58 upvotes and was third on the front page. Loads of people would have had stuff to say about that, and personally I don't think it deserved to get to the front page.
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6 ups
Yeah, that notorious anti-Islamic user is one of the ones who I believe to lay at the root of many of my downvote trolling issues. I don't believe in censoring, but if the obnoxious user doesn't defend his beliefs face-to-face and seeks to attack from behind secretly, then that's where my problem lies. Too many users of extreme beliefs will use dubious methods to attack you then hide behind sanctimoniousness.
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9 ups, 3 replies
I still can't believe that's even possible. How can a front page meme get DVed back to submitted, anyway? I agree that front page memes shouldn't be able to be DVed to submitted status, but I disagree with the second part. I have seen some pretty offensive memes (admittedly, by my standard of offensive) make the front page.
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9 ups
*the Mohammed was a paedohpile meme . . .
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9 ups, 1 reply
imgflip.com/i/1u937j

This was the meme that reached the front page in under 10 hours and had 28 upvotes innthe same amount of time. It had 45 upvotes when it was either dv back into submission or reported and sent back to submitted.

There really isn't anything nasty about it except maybe where I said "idiots." But that's mild compared to what has made front page innthe past.
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6 ups, 1 reply
Very good point, SpursFan. I may disagree with your political point, but if I had known your meme was being intentionally downvoted I would've upvoted it. :) Having various points aired is what I treasure above all.
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8 ups, 1 reply
Well, I was a little miffed about it at first because it was doing so well. It wasn't even 20 hours before it was reported. Oh well.
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6 ups
Hopefully all this energy I'm putting out might do something in that area. Or not. Oh well. :)
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6 ups
I had one of my memes that got quickly featured faster than any other of mine - I may have told you this, Octavia - and then quickly went back to submitted status despite having many votes and comments. It was a very veiled criticism of a troll of mine, but obviously someone caught the meaning (it did indicate specific gender) and either gathered the troops for a mass downvote, or flagged it and the mods removed it (which, if so, shows differences amongst mods as some quickly featured it and others ditched it quickly). I suspicion the flag was the cause. I think people should be alerted by a flagging and should be able to defend their meme.
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8 ups
Yeah, I think when your meme is 'featured' it should be featured - period. I don't like the idea that people can downvote it back to obscurity. When it's out it's out; if people don't like it they can downvote, and if enough agree then it just goes down the list.
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14 ups, 1 reply
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12 ups, 1 reply
:)
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8 ups
:D
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11 ups, 1 reply
I am sorry, but all this complaining about timers is just pissing me off. On previous accounts I constantly got sent into 2 hour comment timers because certain individuals didn't like I disagreed with them, so they recruited others and used alt accounts to silence me. Not only could I not comment for 2 hours at a time, but every comment was being hidden and memes getting sent back to submission status. I tried to say something about it to mods and others users and no one batted a f**king eye. In fact I got blamed for it. So now people are complaining about 2 to 15 minute timers and now everyone wants to listen? WTF?!?!?!?!?! Same thing happened when I tried bringing up issues with custom meme submissions. No one wanted to listen until they started realizing the problem for themselves and then it became their idea that something needed to be done.

FYI, there is an automatic 3 minute timer to slow down the number of comments you make on other memes without having any downvotes. The first sign you are being downvoted is not being able to meme comment, then you start with a 5 minute timer, all the way to 120 minute timer. I really believe that until you have personally experience the 2 hour timer, you shouldn't complain about a comment timer.
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8 ups, 1 reply
I've experienced a 45 minute timer. The past couple weeks I've been put into comment probation 3 times. Nothing I made or commented justified it. What you are saying is why I am making these memes and advocating for downvote limits. I ignored it for a while but with my recent issues I felt it was time to make a deal about it. A few users should not be able to censor another just because they don't like their comments or beliefs or even don't like the user.
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8 ups, 1 reply
My problem is that I tried raising awareness on this over a year and a half ago, and no one wanted to listen. I was attacked because someone didn't like my opinion on my meme and they classified me as the troll for defending my position. That is when he recruited the first CTS group to attack me, because he didn't like my idea of having to option to get notifications of who voted on your meme/comment, which was an idea to identify the downvote fairy that was sending a bunch of memes back to submission statues within a couple hours of them being featured. It was because of that idea I received within a couple days of his attacks a 2 hour comment timer. Like I said, no one wanted to listen when I said there was a problem, so that is why I don't really care for when people complain about 15 minute timers. I experienced 2 hour timers for weeks and no one cared.
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7 ups
The surest sign that someone is a troll is when they attack you as a troll. I sympathize with your 2-hour waits, but since I can take the issue up now I am doing so. It does seem to be getting attention so I can't apologize for that.
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10 ups, 1 reply
Count me in! :D
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5 ups
:)
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10 ups, 1 reply
I'm sorry about your experience, but is a microcosm of the real world and of humanity. People when given power will abuse that power. That's why the constitution was set up to limit government power. Also it only takes a few bad apples to ruin the bunch. Their are good and bad people in this world. Bad people get away with their behavior because of silence from good people. Silence is acceptance. Acceptance is endorsement. So not speaking out against bad behaviors is encouraging people to continue their bad behaviors.
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8 ups, 1 reply
That's why I'm trying to break the silence. Being an agitator for better ways is part of the real world and humanity too. What I want may or may not happen, but I put in my proverbial two bits. And it's not just me, I noticed it has happened to others more often recently. I think there are more bad apples on site.
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7 ups
I don't think anyone here hasn't been trolled by someone. Best of luck to you.
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10 ups, 3 replies
i'm joking with you, but in all seriousness, you basically want to silence anyone who disagrees with you. who doesn't? I do too!! but then if you don't like the consequences of being a free speech extremist, then why are you a free speech extremist? also why shouldn't others have the right to be free speech extremists too? I don't have anyone trolling me. most likely because I avoid arguments, politics, etc. (or possibly cause my memes aren't funny or worth commenting on. lol) many other sites got rid of the downvote/dislike button. did it change anything? well no. there is still a bunch of grown adults arguing like little kids. just my .02. if you don't like someone why would you want to argue with them more? you think you're gonna prove them wrong? lol. you think they'll admit it?

if you don't like a meme? keep scrolling. if you think someone will be offended or start an argument based on you're meme, don't post it. if everyone did that no more problems on imgflip.
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10 ups, 4 replies
The problem isn't so much the downvote button. Because one user downvotes you no its no big deal. The problem is a user gets mad and figures his views are right and shouldn't be challenged and off they go and make tons of alt accounts, that's when the problems arise. Now you have ONE user with the power of 10 plus voices and all his or her own on alt accounts. If imgflip could identify and remove these account via ip address that would be great. But I think it maybe too much. In the end I guess the elimination of the downvote would be easier. But for me I'd like to see the elimination of the alt accounts. One voice and one downvote.
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10 ups
I agree, but with the one voice and one down vote statement, the problem is for some people it might not seem like enough, that they hate the meme or whatever so much they want to down vote it as many times as is possible. And I must admit I've had that feeling before.
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I will let you know, that in order to have 10 alt accounts that are actually capable of downvoting, you need about 3 or 4 devices, each with 3-4 browsers, each on different IP addresses, and each account around 2-5K points minimum. Yes I know from actually trying multi-alt accounts to counter attacks I had received on previous accounts.

The easier thing to do would be to block the devices, not IP addresses, as it is capable of getting IP addresses changed or even route your computer through oversea routers to make it harder to trace. On their server, besides seeing your IP address, they will have your mac address. With it being possible to run 3 or 4 accounts on 1 machine, blocking the mac address would actually be more effective in that is something you cannot change, or if you can it is not a simple task. Instead they actually for the less effective route and put a block on e-mail addresses/user names.

Now if you really want to put an end to alt accounts and people attacking, have a block feature added. Not only would it allow you to block them from commenting on your memes, but your comments on other memes. If it was really made effective, it would block them from being able to see your memes or comments by having a text block say something like "You do not have permission to see this meme/comment". Blocking them would also keep them from voting on the meme or comment.
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6 ups, 1 reply
I'll have to disagree with that last part. When you come on to a public forum you should face the public, and their opinions. A downvote limit might help in the sense that those who would push emotional buttons to the point of viciousness would have a weapon taken from them. Not being able to damage others at large rates might cool heads. Or make it worse. Whatever but I want more free flow of information, not defensive posturing.
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7 ups, 1 reply
Those who run multiple accounts really won't be effected by this that much. Depending on how many accounts they have, they can alternate which ones downvote when. I would also have to disagree that even though this is public, if someone has expressed their opinion about your opinion and you ask them to leave because of how they are attacking you and your opinion, but they just continue with the attacks, you should be allowed to block them to end their attacks. Many times they will move to another comment or another meme to do what they can to get a reaction. Can't get a reaction to keep attacking if they are blocked.
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5 ups, 1 reply
If you are allowed 4 downvotes an hour (just as an example) and all your - say 10 - alt accounts are also, then your downvotes are limited to 40, as opposed to a limitless number now. Sure you can have limitless alt accounts, but I find trolls to be a lazy breed.
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6 ups, 1 reply
But then you also take into account groups like CTS that will attack anyone they deem to be a troll, and some of them are using alt accounts as well. 10 to 15 accounts, throw in a few alt accounts with that, at 4 downvotes an hour, won't be hard to reach 100 downvotes received each hour, which should be more than enough to cause a 1 to 2 hour comment timer. Either way, if they want to cause damage, they will find a way to do it. My thought is that if they are going to attack you, most likely you aren't going to care what their opinion is, so it would be better to block them.
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4 ups
But it WILL make it harder. Like I said: lazy.
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9 ups, 2 replies
XD But great points. I'm technologically inferior; what are these ip adresses?
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11 ups, 2 replies
IP address is a string of numbers separated by periods that identifies each computer using the Internet, so if I have say 5 accounts but all from the same IP address chances are its alts, or a huge family of IMG users on one computer lol
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8 ups
Filtering by IP is not entirely fool proof. Some ISPs assign dynamic IPs to their customers, so the same IP might be used by several different users at different times.
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6 ups
Got it. My ideal here is not to block alt accounts (though I don't have one) but to limit abuse of downvotes. It still works with alts: if you have 10 accounts and are only allowed, say, 4 downvotes an hour, that's still only 40 downvotes and would only hit 4 comments/memes, whereas in the present situation you could do 400 or vastly more. A downvote timer would still limit alt accounts.

Maybe one day they'll invent a system where you can reach through the computer and strangle your troll. XD
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8 ups, 1 reply
VPN dial in thru Prague. Hi Ken!
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6 ups, 1 reply
Hey - thank you for sticking your head in. :)
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6 ups, 1 reply
Nazdar buddy. How you been? I've been playing the accordion while poledancing. Nothing unusual.
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6 ups, 1 reply
Now THAT sounds like fun. ;) I've been memeing and stirring things up, that's what.
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6 ups, 1 reply
Memeing and stirring things up on the wall, memeing and stirring things up! .... twirl .. twirltwirl
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5 ups, 1 reply
This is what I do SOMETIMES. Usually I'm a much nicer guy. Nowadays. ;)
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5 ups, 1 reply
twirltwirl twirlingly twirling
4 ups
And sometimes I get nauseous from all the twirling and fall off the flip...
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8 ups, 2 replies
the trolls have the same abilities you do. so why not do the same?? are you concerned about your imgflip points? let me know what the cash value of the imgflip points are. lol) or are you concerned about loosing you're ability to be a free speech extremist? why can't others be so called "free speech extremists" and use their free speech to create alt accounts?? what difference does it make?? do you not want others to disagree with you on the internet?? lol.
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10 ups, 1 reply
Lmao what's point got to do with anything lol? The downvoting counters free speech because you can't reply or comment. Ass lol
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7 ups, 1 reply
awww shucks!!! someone can't read my worthless opinion on some internet site... also I can't reply quick enough... man that sucks!!! I need to get my worthless opinion heard. this sucks!!! lol.
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10 ups, 1 reply
Lmao you're funny :)
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6 ups, 1 reply
this is the most important internet debate ever!!!!! lol.
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7 ups, 1 reply
I went over to see your memes, seems I've upvoted many in the past lol
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7 ups
thank you sir!! I have also upvoted many of yours. :-)
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10 ups, 1 reply
It's not about points or disagreement. It's about people who abuse the downvote system to keep other users from being able to comment, effectively silencing them for large chunks at a time.

Also, as per your comment below, if internet opinions are so worthless, then why are you wasting your time expressing yours?
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7 ups
hmmm... good point!!!!
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10 ups, 1 reply
No, I actually want people to communicate with me. Not click a red arrow but try to counter my argument with theirs. I respect debate, even from those I heartily disagree with. I am trying to expand free speech by eliminating methods by which others try to drown it out. If a person were to get on the soap box in a park and start making their argument to the surrounding crowd, the pro-free speech argument would be if someone else were to get on the box next and argue their point; those who would drown out the speaker by shouting them down are like the trolls on imgflip who would seek to damage a user by downvoting them so they can't be heard. I'm the one who DOESN'T want to silence those who think differently from me; I want a debate. But I can't debate when those who want to silence me do it behind my back by using their compadres and alt accounts to hit downvote buttons on all my memes and comments, thus keeping me from saying as much. If you don't like politics, fine, stick to the funny memeing. But I guarantee you that there is someone on here who will eventually take offense at even something funny you made and try to envelop you in a downvote swarm.
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7 ups, 2 replies
you're missing those who would kick the soap box out from under those who they don't like. also those who would string up the one on the soap box before kicking the box... you don't want to silence those who disagree with you? then why are you trying to take away their rights/privileges of alt accounts/dislike button away? why would you want a debate online?? winning an argument online is like winning the special Olympics, ya you won but you're still mentally challenged... I don't like politics and guess what if others don't like my memes they can downvote... who gives a crap? I'm gonna loose a few worthless points, awww shucks. I cant type on my computer, awww shucks. I don't need imgflip points or the ability to type. or this stupid computer. also guess what, YOUR STANCE of being a free speech extremist is protecting me and my completely worthless opinion... not one person (even me) will loose, or gain, one dollar or one wink of sleep based on my, or your, comments... so happy memeing!!!!
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9 ups, 2 replies
"why would you want a debate online??"

Because that's how ideas are shared, you frickin' genius. You may as well ask "why would you want to have a conversation with another human being?"
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7 ups
this is why i come to the internet. to avoid ppl. lol!!! (secretly hoping i'm not becoming a troll)
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7 ups, 1 reply
felter above is like Meme-osis_Master elsewhere on here: feeling superior to others by denigrating others' opinions, even if they're relatively close together. 'I'm above you because I can sit here and make sarcastic fun of you.' An offshoot of the small dick argument. :P

Oh, and good point. ;)
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4 ups, 1 reply
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!
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3 ups, 1 reply
I know you don't care, but I apologize for the rash judgement. (Though it still applies to Meme-osis Master :P) Your later comments were quite friendly, or at least not as snarky. Keep it up and thanks for the comments. :)
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1 up, 1 reply
lol!!!! I disagree.. you're small wiener comment was the funniest thing I've read in a while. lol. this is the internet, I come here for a good laugh, and i got it. lol. thanx!!!!
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2 ups, 1 reply
Thanks. :) I was losing my cool with another bug buzzing my cranium.
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2 ups, 1 reply
I say leave imgflip just the way it is and take the arguments to another site... like facebook, for example. this is a funny meme site, its not for arguing politics or whatever else. but hey what ev. I'm not up for an internet fight... now a real fight on the other hand.... lol.
1 up
I don't do Facebook. Imgflip is my only social media interaction. Which is why I'm more passionate about stuff like this. I'm only too happy to pick a fight with those on the polar opposite of the political spectrum (though I'm not a polar opposite, sort of a guy straddling the middle) just as long as they've the guts enough to do so face-to-face and not underhandedly.
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7 ups, 1 reply
I'm not against alt accounts or downvotes. I'm against a$$holes censoring others in secret. People mass downvoting is taking away the soapbox, burning it, and p!ssing on the ashes. Free speech is only worth it if the speech can be heard. If you don't like my opinion then downvote it. But if you mass downvote me with your buddies then you're the antithesis of a free speech advocate.
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6 ups
I don't like your comments and I'm gonna upvote them!! take that!!! also I have no buddies on here or in real life!! take that too!!!! if anyone burns your soap box you can have mine!! fight to change imgflip, or don't I don't really care. I've pretty much reached the end of my ability to argue with complete strangers.
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10 ups, 1 reply
Removing down votes is not silencing anyone. They can still comment, but just can't snipe at others entirely from the dark.
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7 ups
BINGO!!!
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8 ups
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8 ups, 2 replies
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5 ups
Oh, I don't know about that. But I did upvote yours. :)
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2 ups
Um...I had already upvoted that meme. :)
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7 ups, 1 reply
I'm primarily a lurker, but I figured I'd toss my $.02 in. I dislike the DV button being used to silence other users, regardless of what they're saying. Now that DVs aren't recorded, the button should really just disappear. Back in the day when dvs were tracked and posted with the upvotes, then it made sense. Now that DVs aren't publicly tracked the button should go away. The interesting thing is that most of the arguments opposing KenJ's view are the same arguments that were made when DV tracking went away. Life appears to have gone on without being able to view the number of DVs, so let's just get rid of the button altogether.
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6 ups
there everyone got an upvote!!! I'm pretty well past this whole thing. i don't really care either way.
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7 ups, 2 replies
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14 ups, 1 reply
No, his ability to comment is
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11 ups, 2 replies
So far the above is the only comment I've received from the opposing benches. There may be more to come, but it's kind of telling (1) the tone it is in, and (2) that others seem to be hiding...
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6 ups, 1 reply
Opposing? LOL, not at all. I just can't believe people who treat this like it's some sort if REAL LIFE tragedy.
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11 ups, 1 reply
It isn't. If it were a real-life tragedy I could've just killed someone to solve it. It's just some fun place I like to be at, but also the domain of some fairly worthless, small-minded imbeciles. If their mental issues get in my way of having a good time with some friends then I have no problem trying to solve it through hook or crook.
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6 ups, 1 reply
Kill someone???
To paraphrase Shatner, "... hundreds of miles to be here, I'd just like to say... GET A LIFE, will you people? I mean, for crying out loud, it's just a meme site!"
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11 ups, 2 replies
Then why is such a superior specimen as yourself here? Is it a genuine messiah-like complex to help the little people? Or does it make you feel good to belittle others and what they enjoy and think? It makes no sense to expend all that energy on criticizing others beliefs when you can simply harrumph and leave and feel on top. Or perhaps you are the proactive problematic issue at discussion here?
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7 ups
some ppl just aren't happy until they make others miserable. (shrug) its a shame. but I'm sure you heard the old saying, haters gonna hate. or in this case trolls gonna troll. you cant silence them all. in my experience you can't silence any of them.
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1 up, 1 reply
You sanctimonious male member of a canine, where do you get off thinking you can make up lies to enhance yourdrama tantrum? Where did I ever say anything about superior. Construct strawmen for yourself if you want, but don't build any for me. You are the perfect example of WHY liberals are called libtards. You spaz out over how people don't like you have treated you in this imaginary land, fun as it is. Grow up. Expand yourself out of your safespace at the snowflake hotel. This is not real life, and despite your high brow use of p**is jokes directed at me in another post, I'm willing to bet you are not actually 6 years old. You should know that. Trolls only really have the power you give them. But I wasn't trolling you. In fact, excepting get caught in your crying session, I don't give a swut about you. Make a meme I like I'll upvote it, one I don't like and I'll downvote it, maybe comment one way or the other. So, who DID you tick off? Maybe the problem is you.
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3 ups, 1 reply
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5 ups, 1 reply
I'm not hiding. I have one account... more like one worthless account.... there is a whole other greater world outside the computer... that is where the real life is. :-)
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8 ups, 1 reply
I know. I'm sitting at work right now. I spend maybe 4 or 5 hours a week on imgflip, but only because I have lots of downtime. I never meme when I'm off work. Too much to experience.
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4 ups
downtime at work is when I do my best work!!!! (dang, I have to wait 20 seconds to post this) lol!! oh the irony!!!! lol.
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11 ups, 1 reply
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11 ups, 1 reply
You may be cool, but you'll never be "rolling through the Bronx while eating a peanut butter and jelly sandwich" cool :D
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10 ups, 1 reply
:D
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9 ups, 1 reply
I remember looking at my GPS. At one point I think I went about one to one and a half miles in what felt like twenty minutes (at least).

The last time I drove through NYC during the daytime, traffic wasn't that bad. I thought it would be the same today. I was very, very wrong. I should've just taken 287 through White Plains and across the Tappan Zee Bridge, and taken the long way around. It would've been a lot faster :l
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6 ups, 1 reply
XD Yeek, and I thought the traffic heading out of Eastern Oregon after the eclipse was bad. Apparently things came off well. No deaths, no blindness. ;)
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7 ups, 1 reply
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5 ups
XD
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5 ups, 1 reply
Downvoted
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9 ups, 1 reply
Irony? Or pissantery?
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4 ups, 1 reply
It was a joke, I actually upvoted
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2 ups
Then - thanks. Sometimes I suffer from irony deficiency. :D
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3 ups, 1 reply
on my pc now...
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3 ups
Go! Go! Go! :)
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3 ups
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2 ups, 1 reply
if you wanna start a pointless political debate then go where the pointless political debates are!!! (facebook) lol!!!! don't ruin my funny meme site to suit your political agenda. no one on imgflip cares about politics. well no one important, anyways. lol!!!!
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1 up, 1 reply
I enjoy poking bears with sticks on here. But I promise not to poke you. ;)
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2 ups
lol!!!
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