Who's the bad guy again?

Well...

Jesus forgives those who come to him AND punishes those who refuse to accept him. Satan has no authority to punish. Also, Jesus is just. He saves those who accept and believe in him. He calls to us to accept him. If we refuse to accept him as lord and savior, it is not his fault, it is ours. We all deserve to be punished, but Jesus shows mercy to those who accept (or "commit") him.

Ok so let's say I was a child rapist who finger f**ked small animals he would save me if I "believe and accept him"? That is a question ;)

Good question.

Paul, who wrote most of the New Testement, murder, tortured, and imprisoned Christians because they had a different faith from him. On his way to Damascus, he was blinded by a bright light and the voice of God saying "Paul, Paul, why are you persecuting me". After a few days of gaining his sight back (the light was that bright), Ananias baptized Paul. Afterwards, he preached the word of Jesus, the religion which he was previously attempting to murder off. Since he became a Christian, he didn't kill anyone else. When somebody TRULY accepts Christ as their lord and savior, their life will change. Somebody who is truly Christian (not just saying that they are, but actually are) will strive to do things that are right. If somebody is a child rapist, but later comes to know Christ, and stops raping children, he is regenerate (confesses Christ as savior and wants to become more like him). A child rapist who is unrepentant and is continuing to live in unrepentant sin is not truely striving to be like Christ, thus, not a true Christian.

So the imaginary figure (rapist) could live out his days of proven existence on earth as a rapist as long as he used his final days seeking forgiveness he/she would be saved if they believe and accept? Is there a required amount of time of commitment before you are entitled?

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Also a good question.

It's not entitlement, it's not by earning pardons by seeking or begging. This imaginary figure (rapist), would live his/her life in sin. At the end of his/her life, he/she is on his/her death bed and knows it. For all of his/her life, the rapist never believed in Christ. Then and there, on their death bed, he/she comes to believe that they're an evil person and that they will never be able to be forgiven by himself/herself or anybody else. Then, they come to the conclusion that the only person who could forgive them for the atrocious things that they have done would be God... If the rapist accepts that Jesus is the one and only God and that only Jesus can save the rapist from hell(the consequence of refusal to believe in Christ), the Rapist will be pardoned, or saved.. As long as the rapist repented (repentance is not just saying sorry, repentance is undergoing a change of mind, which results in a change of behavior) of their sins and believe that only Jesus could save the rapist, the rapist will be saved. The Rapist died, repentant of his/her sins, and accepted that only Jesus Christ could save him/her. This person is saved and is not going to hell.

I feel that I should also mention that Jesus died for the sins of humanity, the rapist must believe that this is how Jesus saved him/her. This is how he saved us. A perfect sacrifice (for he (Jesus) was sinless)so that our sins may be pardoned if we believe in Jesus Christ.

Why would they be scared of hell if Satan has no authority to punish? Satan must seek permission from God to punish? Surely a "man" of such high ethical standing would not want a part time believer amongst them. So Satan was created 100 years after creation who was the alternative to God in the first 100?

Satan has no authority to punish unless it is given to him by God. (This occurred in the book of Job). However, Jesus is also just. If people refuse to accept Jesus as lord and savior, they will go to hell. How do you mean a "man of such high ethical standing would not want a part time believer among them"? Who, Where and when? also, what 100 years are you referring to? Could you rephrase this question? I don't understand.

I referred to jesus as "man" why would he want part time believers that believe out of desperation or a last resort? The 100 years refers to the first 100 years of existence before Satan was cast out due to his desire to control the universe, where did non believers go before this, who greeted them when they arrived?

Imagine you had a child...

At the age of 18, he rebels from you and your household. He lives his life as he wants to, but not as you would want him to. He is in defiance of you. After many years, he realizes that he really did need you, his parent, and decides he wants to participate as a member of the family again. You would be happy to see your son come back to you, even if he was gone for many years. It is the same way with Jesus loving people. He made everything and everyone and loves us very much. He wants us to accept him.

As for the 100 years before the universe, people didn't exist yet, thus the Bible had not been written. I have no biblical textual evidence to support what I believe happened in that time, or what that time was. However, Satin was evil before the Universe was made. Because there was no universe, there were no people, there were no non-believers that were human (thus mortal). The only beings before the creation of the universe were spiritual, (Angels, demons, God, Satin) these do not die of age, but they will eventually receive the consequences for their rebellion against God. Who greeted them when they arrived in hell? I believe that when people die, they are taken to God, who will bring justice, or mercy depending on their belief that Jesus would save them.

P.S. I am really enjoying this conversation :) I am glad to answer any questions that you have to The best of my ability :)

As am I (apologies if I have come across as offensive), however if my son (he's 5 and attends a Catholic school) chose to live his life as a bad person and only reached out to me at the very end I could not condone his behaviour and forgive him for decisions he has made because I would have been there while he was making these choices ignoring my guidance. In my eyes you earn what you receive be it all of my love or my disappointment. He is 5 and understands this concept. I can't comprehend a world where you effectively condone evil on the premise that all will be forgiven, every person and creature will have been impacted by his choices no entity has the time or capacity to rectify all the wrongdoings he can inflict on the world around him. To me in this ideology there are no consequences for your actions this breeds evil with a pretentious send off to a "better place" where all is forgiven with the right words at the right time

I totally understand why you are seeing it this way. The way that I see repentance is NOT (I'm capitalizing not to be rude, but just so you won't accidentally skip over it ????) waiting until the end of your life and then saying "I'm sorry, I love Jesus, now I'm saved and forgiven". The way I see it, repentance isn't an "I'm sorry" it's a changing of the way you behave because of a changing in the way that you think. let's say a child rapist is about to die, and says, "I'm sorry God, please forgive me", but doesn't mean it. Just saying that doesn't change anything. Now let's say a child rapist is having cancer, and he's expecting to die, and God opens his eyes. He now sees that he is an evil awful person who deserves to go to hell, but he also sees that Jesus, and only Jesus died for him. He sees that he doesn't deserve what is good and isn't "repenting", just to get out of having to go to hell (saying magical words doesn't get you out of Hell), but is whole-heartedly repenting, and turns his life around. Miraculously, the rapist doesn't die and is healed of his disease. He goes out into the world and never rapes another child. He gets baptized, confesses faith in Christ, and decides to live the rest of his life for Christ. He lives 25 more years, teaching others about Jesus and becomes a pastor or priest. In the end of his life, he still loves Jesus and dies.

I think the big difference here is how we see repentance.

"Repentance" (with quotes for sarcasm) is an "I'm sorry, I won't do that again", but goes on living his normal life.

Repentance (that being true repentance) is a complete change of mindset, and eventually your actions. In a nutshell, who they are.

Fake repentance is fake, just like fake religion in a fake God doesn't save anyone.

True repentence and true realization and total faith in Jesus and who he is is how we are saved.

I am about to get off of imgflip for tonight, but if you want to talk about this more tomorrow, I would love to :)

You also mentioned you have no biblical textual evidence for what you believe occurred in that time period I'd still like to hear what you believe

Also if you see this in time before you respond why do people spend their lives worshipping if they are entitled to the same outcome as a regretful sinner?

If we are truely regenerate, we want to worship God. Also, we are all sinners, no one deserves to go to heaven. The only reason that people go to heaven is because of how good God is and because he died for us so that we may believe this and be saved.

Also, you said regretful. Regretful is not the same as repentant. If they are regretful, that just means they're sorry. If they are repentant, it means that they're changing. It's much more than sorry.

P.S. I am a Christian.

I couldn't respond because you triggered this! I've been trying to think of work arounds, had to get it out