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Lesson 1 : LP and Natural gas you cook on are not Jet Fuel wich is a diesel/kerosene type mix . Lesson 2 : Put a steel pan on a fire with nothing in it on high and see what happens !
Lesson 3: In the tower there were other flammables, plastics, furniture, etc and you get a Blowtorch effect when fire is fed air and you can look at any burned steel garage and see steel beams Collapsed without jet fuel or a plane crashed structural weakening added to the effect. You have a computer to do your own research if you follow facts...not conspiracy theories !

Awesome, you hit almost all of the points that I was going to make. By number two, I assume that you mean that there were tons of pressure on the beams from the floors above?

Also, everything has a melting point, that's basic chemistry/physics. How do these clowns think that steel is made? Finally, the beams didn't have to fully melt to cause a collapse, just weaken enough to cause a collapse.

Yes, structural steel when riveted together like beams and plates are are just a standing frame , and distributing the weight to the base foundation. Anyone who works with metal knows the heat from even wood or coal when air is added heats and softens steel just like a blacksmiths forge does and softening starts at 600 degrees and goes up from there.Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength—and that required exposure to much less heat. Combine that with structural damage from an airplane impact that had to have shaken the whole building and an inflow of air making a torch effect , along with magnesium aircraft parts that may have ignited which burns hot enough to melt steel and you get a Collapse similar to when they demolish a building with explosives. They do not blow up the building, the explosives cut beams and concrete so it collapses on itself.

Excellent responses, Mooseman. My friend who is a chemical engineer has said the same things as you did about the towers collapsing.

It is basically physics,structural engineering,metallurgy, and chemicals, combined with knowledge of fire properties and taking in all the factors that makes it easy to explain what happened. I heard some wild conspiracy theories the said "George Bush Had explosive paint sprayed inside the buildings..." so I asked them to name the manufacturer so I could get samples for testing ! I'm still waiting....

Umm...yeah, what you said. :)

Ive been a certified welder since 1996. I fabricate and erect structural steel, since 1996. Even when steel is above the temperature of burning jet fuel, it doesnt bend. Even when its glowing orange, a hammer has no effect on it. A constant flame kept on it (a rosebud torch) is required to teach a point just below melting point to soften the steel enough to be hammered or to bend.

Put a piece of steel in a 20 ton press and apply pressure to it then heat it and watch what happens . you can watch it on the pressure gauge as the steel bends way before it even glows orange. I straighten boat shafts in a lathe with a torch in one spot heating and watching a dial indicator then apply ice and watch the indicator as i bring the shaft back to true. I'm talking shafts 1-2 inches in diameter and 10-15 ft long that need straightening within .001 inch. Same with Drivelines for semi trucks 4-6 inches diameter. It doesnt take much heat to see a dial indicator start moving an incredible amount !

Here is a great example of what happens to steel structure subjected to fire and in this case no jet fuel was added or impact of an airliner.

Straight up the best explaination I've seen. Awesome. One point that I would like to add is that construction of the building framework was weak to begin with, and that the majority of the fireproofing that normally protects the steel, had fallen off in the years prior to that day.

Neigh. You dont get a blowtorch effect unless a constant, high pressure amount of pure oxygen is added to a flame. You state put an empty pan on a fire and see what happens. Ok....nothing. how many times have i done this camping, and all the water evaporated. What about the steel grill you use to hold the pans or food? Heres some facts for you: jet fuel burns at 800-1500°F max. Steel melts at 2750°F. There was no constant wind that day. Also the smoke was dark, meaning the fire was struggling to stay lit. Im a certified welder, have been since 1996. Now if you think that the steel didnt need to reach 2750 before being soft enough to allow the collapse, i invite you to research the desigh of the WTC towers. No beam spanned long enough to allow such to happen. Your both suffering from cognitive dissonace. Follow facts not government propaganda as the official story.

Well apparently you never operated a wood stove or a blacksmith forge , or been a fireman .They use low velocity air to generate steel working temps or in the case of a fireman , a backdraft explosion of intense heat when air is fed to a fire! Many Pans sitting on a burning fire with nothing in them will warp and burn, maybe not melt or burn thru on a propane stove with the temp running about 1250 degrees at the flame but I have many that are warped and wrinkled from camping. If you are a welder as you claim you should understand basic structural properties and steel properties and how heat affects metals / how metals can weaken along side a weld and crack. When you are talking tons of pressure per sq /in it doesn't take much of a damaged structure that was impacted combine with heat for steel to fail to maintain its strength. The dark smoke was from Fuel and rubber compounds burning, and the air intake thru the busted windows allowed the fire to be air fueled thru elevator shafts air ducts , and passageways, The same way a woodstove works , and I can turn 8 inch stovepipe cherry red in about 15 minutes running wide open with spruce or oak wood which burns at a lower temp than jet fuel. Look at how gun fired Fuel oil stoves are lined inside...it sure as hell isnt steel, its a ceramic/ firebrick composition burn chamber and most wood stoves are lined with firebrick for the same reason. The steel walls inside my wood stove are all bent and warped from Heat from just wood burning. If you never saw a fuel tank rupture and catch fire you should watch it sometimes...as the remaining fuel heats it expands and starts spraying fuel like a flamethrower which also forms a torch effect !
Dude, look at the picture I posted of the burned building steel that was only supporting a steel roof that was light weight compared to a building supporting tons above it and burning carpet and air did that.. What I have stated are all facts not conspiracy theories from nutcases or Govt. investigations. I'm a welder, machinist,Gunsmith, Fabricator, Metalworker , blacksmith , and I have built everything from dragsters to Transformer supports for power companies, weapons , stoves, trailers, cannons, drivelines and shafts , as well as working with some renowned scientists on projects , and working with explosives . I think I'm qualified to make an assessment by applying facts and scientific analysis. By the way , I weld fuel tanks with fuel in them when nobody else will !

You suffer cognitive dissonace. I build buildings including the structural steel on hospitals; schools and high rises. We're talking buildings here not wood burning stoves. Use facts, not babble. Low velocity air?? There wasnt enough wind that day to provide the amount of air needed to create an oxidizing flame, which is blue and the only flame hot enough to raise steel to a high enough temperature to melt. I know its difficult to consider our own government could have done something like this...all I ask of you is to examine both sides of the issue using facts, science and with an open mind. You seem like an intelligent person...examine all the evidence before your hypothesis

I suffer from Nothing... apparently you do not understand the basics of fire and "Draft" effect like a rocket stove . As fire starts it causes a draft of air from below the hotter the fire the more air it pulls , that's why wood stoves, rocket stoves etc. work like they do. I can assure you that a wood stove in full bore mode will melt the steel stovepipes eventually and burn your house down. It has happened too many times. For someone to embrace some nutcase conspiracy theory that our Government was involved is just pure bologna to put it nicely, since Govt people lost their lives too, as well as the lives of Rescuers. The only Govt blame is a lack of monitoring foreign terrorists and poor Intelligence on the part of the NSA and the CIA that allowed this to happen. They were Not Americans flying the planes into buildings .

Take a look at the collapse of building 7 and the BBC announcing it 20 minutes before it actually did. Explain this one. How could they have known?

You provide no link and i have not seen the video. I just Do not agree with the Conspiracy theories .

Im a certified welder. I understand metalurgy and the effects of an oxidizing flame and its requirements. I went to school for such and have 20 years experience fabricating and erecting structural steel and bkack smithing steel, as well as knowledge and experience with stainless steel, aluminum, copper and cast iron. 128 hours of study on torch use, flame, metal melting, heating, cutting, ect. Check out some of the 911 conspiracy videos on yutube, sir. I agree, there are some off the wall theories, but many many witnesses have reported secondary explosions and demolition explisions. There are videos that prove the towers were demolished by explosives by both visual video and audio. An attempt to assasinate Trump just occurred. This was done by the same people that carried oyt 911. Im 100% American & I love my country and fellow citizens. We have done exactly what the founding fathers warned us not to do: give the control of issuing iur currency to a centralized bank. The corrupt have infiltrated our government. Research the federal reserve created in 1913. Research JFK'S last speech and executive order #11110. They control the media and mislead us. They control the education system and omit their history. I simply stand for truth and seek to spread it. God bless America!

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Ok smart guys, im curious as to how your cognitive dissonance deals with the reality that the BBC news broadcast that the Solomon Brothers building (called building 7) had collapsed 20 minutes before it actually did. Whoops the screwed up. Google it