Philosoraptor

Thnks for supporting me, all chikns matter!

So that's why koalas are endangered.

Not to mention poor treatment and crowded living conditions. :{

*cruelty. :{P

fail XD lol

Haha are you really just copying what I say and saying it back now?

Well I did a science fair project on plant memory, so during my research I discovered unsurprisingly that animals have thought and memory, and that's what our emotions are based off of, so I went deaper and found out that they do have forms of emotions similar to humans. Those articles I told tetsuo to read highlighted key points in my research. (But he's dyslexic so he couldn't read them)

So you theorized that since animals have thought and memory, they also have emotions? How/why did you infer this?

How did I infer? With my brain. And I thought it was worth it to look into, and without thought and memory, emotions wouldn't exist. I did more research after and found that they do have emotions, but you might not understand this because they are not human emotions. Also, I have to thank you for having an intelligent debate with me, it's quite refreshing.

lol I can't believe you're trying to just repeat everything I say kid. :{

Can you stop this "copy cat" behavior of yours, it's very childish.

Hey, if I'm so childish, why keep repeating? :{

-_- you sir are not a sir.

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I've never met anyone without a single problem. That's a problem for you.

Keep trying kid. :{

I know that I have problems, but this is what happens when you are nice to people.

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I didn't bother to read your replies all the way through because you're the kind of asshole that opens his argument with an insult.

you mean calling you a bleeding heart is being an asshole to you? Well... :[

No, like the "memes" you say before you start talking, I don't read those comments because you're an asshole from the start.

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I didn't realize after the insults were facts, well anyway, we have instincts and emotions, and to top it off we are animals too. So by saying animals don't have emotions you're saying you're a cold person.

We're the only sapient species. All animals only run on instinct.

"So by saying animals don't have emotions you're saying you're a cold person."

Logic much? I'm making a comparison between non human animals and humans though.

You need to learn how to extrapolate properly. :{

Did you know that animals have a more evolved form of consciousness, and they have emotions too.

Animals don't have emotions. That's HUMANS PROJECTING THEIR HUMAN EMOTIONS onto animals out of guilt.

They do have a consciousness, but saying it's more "evolved" is misleading too.

Their "consciousness" is ALL instinct based. Not emotionally based or reasoned.

You bleeding hearts project YOUR emotions way too often. :{

Ok, what all of those articles say is that animals don't have the exact same emotions as humans, but they do have emotions, I'm just waiting for your scientific proof that animals don't have emotions.

*sighs.

So you're saying because the articles simply SAYS that you believed it? :{

I'm sorry for making you so angry, I didn't realize you had dyslexia, I can't help you read it because i'd just be repeating what the article says in text, and that would help you as much as you reading it for yourself.

Kid you're not fooling anyone but yourself.

Until you can give me a reason IN YOUR OWN WORDS as to why that article proves your point, you've got nothing but more bullshit. :{

I just understood your confusion, in my first comment, when i said "a more evolved form of conciousness", I meant it as more evolved than plants.

*sighs.

The confusion is solely on your end kid.

Can you first prove that evolution occurs before claiming that one species is "more evolved" than another?

I don't automatically assume that String/M Theory is correct, neither should you assume that Evolution is at this point. :{

Here's my proof, http://m.bioscience.oxfordjournals.org/content/50/10/861.full. Where's yours?

lol That isn't proof, that's a link to someone else's words. How do I even know YOU read it?

YOU give me an example or proof.

So where's YOUR proof, is the better question. Or how did YOU prove it to YOURSELF?

Can YOU substantiate what that link says? :{

I mean, it makes sense, why wouldn't it?

If you can't answer the simple question, then stop replying. :{

ok, I don't think we're talking about the same thing, I think this whole thing was pointless.

No kid, that's not how it works.

You were clearly following EVERY THING I said, but you want to LOOK like you said something relevant or intellectual.

You failed miserably the whole time. And made yourself look foolish. :{

I don't know why you're attacking me, my point is valid and hasn't been unproven by you or any scientist, you just like attacking people and calling them kids. (btw, we all are kids on the inside)

I will admit that there are no adults only grown children, but the argument isn't our maturity or the way I type/talk.

The argument is tell me what convinced you that those articles were proven.

You're just trying to change the focus.

I'm also not attacking you. I'm responding to YOUR initial rudeness. :{

because you didn't say anything relevant.

No kid, you're just SAYING that.

If you were really intelligent you'd have been able to find the comments like I have and you'd be able to answer simple questions.

But we both know that you're full of shit and that's all that matters. :{

When did you ask a question? I don't know where this question is, I'm using a phone so its very hard to find anything in this. Also, your conversational skills are crap if you think this is a conversation.

Yeah whatever kid.

All you do is keep acting like I never said anything relevant. :{

I didn't realize that my opinion offended you, sorry I'll go away if you want.

You're clearly the only offended person here.

That's why you can't answer a simple question and why you're intentionally acting confused. :{

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/07/150714-animal-dog-thinking-feelings-brain-science/

You're not getting the point kid.

What did that link say that PROVES your argument? :{

You know, you're really stupid. Why would I say things if I don't mean them. It's very frustrating to talk to you because I say one thing and then you tell me that I don't believe that as if you know.

Kid you're more obvious than you apparently think.

This whole act you're putting on is clearly you trying to troll me.

You just need to grow some balls and brains. :{

Haha you really are dyslexic, you clearly didn't see what I typed. It's ok to be dyslexic, you didn't have to whine and complain and create this whole mess.

I'm sorry, I didn't know you were dyslexic. That sucks.

Cause otherwise, you'd clearly see what I typed. It's cool.

But you don't have to whine and bitch so much kid. :{

I really have no idea what you're doing here, if this is a giant troll thing, then it is more elaborate than the ending of Lost.

*sighs You're the one trolling here kid. But please, keep trying to LOOK like you're not. :{

I understand now, You did read my articles and now that you realized that you are wrong, you're trying to change the subject and attack me, own it and stop being afraid of being wrong. Animals have emotions, and you know it now, stop being afraid.

Talking with your voice and my words is really cute cupcake. :{

Do you like being an asshole? Or is it just something you can't help?

What? You like assholes? You're weird kid, that's weird. :{

Read it and you'll find out how wrong you are. I even gave a small quote from it.

That isn't how you prove a point in an argument kid.

YOU have to tell me how that article proves your point.

If YOU can't then you're full of shit. :{

I did tell you, but your only response is quoting me and saying im wrong and you're right.

You're f**king stupid kid.

You never said your reasoning as to why you KNOW animals have emotions.

You also never said what it was in those articles that proved your point.

Until you do, STFU, and stop wasting time with bullshit opinions. :{

If you're not willing to read anything, then how do you know that you're right and I'm wrong?

How do I know YOU read it if YOU can't tell me how it proves your point?!? :{

Poor kid never saw it coming. I just don't understand why he kept trying to argue with you while you were eating him alive.

...and still nothing fact based from him.

I went back to read his comments, and I started to feel like an idiot, but then I remembered that I didn't read them because he started everything out with an insult to my intelligence.

This is what happens when I make a small comment and then get essay length replies, I simply don't care enough to read them all.

Sometimes you just have to know when to admit defeat or when to just move on and realize neither side is budging.

I thought this whole thing was hilarious and I'm going through health problems so it's hard to get myself to stop because I fear it'll have a negative effect on my life if I just give up. With me, if I give up in one place, it encourages me to give up in others.

So, only humans have emotions, but animals that have evolved on earth same as us don't? Have you heard of elephants? or dolphins? They have similar emotions as us.

Can you prove they evolved with experiments and observations? No. You can't even prove with observations or SCIENTIFIC testing that the isotopes in radiometric dating actually half life at a constant rate. So...

But back to the projection of human emotion onto animals.

An elephant only APPEARS to mourn it's dead.

For example:

The story of the dog sitting with the dead dog on the highway.

The dog only does so out of INSTINCT to stay in a larger group.

AND, the dog doesn't know what it means to die, so it can't comprehend that the other dog isn't going to wake up. It's essentially waiting for a pack member ONLY because it increases survival. Nothing more. No emotions.

Same with the elephant.

A dog also only APPEARS to smile because we humans PROJECT it on the dog. The dog is merely panting.

All this is done out of guilt, a HUMAN emotion.

I'm not saying animals don't feel physical pain mind you. :{

How can you prove human emotion exists? what if that is just instinct too?

So deflection is your only tactic?

I can prove human emotion through OBSERVATION AND EXPERIMENTATION.

And human emotion is SELF EVIDENT. The concept that animals have emotions is not. It's been debated for years.

You and people who think animals have emotions WANT that. And you're blinded by a form of guilt, disabling your ability to be objective in this matter. :{

I get it. You spend so much time in front of a mirror admiring yourself that you just don't take the time for other things.

??? :{

you can't just say i'm right and you're wrong and thats the end.

*sighs OMFG. :{

I'M BASING MY ARGUMENT ON THE ARTICLES, HOW DO I DO THAT IF I DIDN"T READ THEM?! 1) Why don't you learn to read 2) read the articles 3) go realize how stupid you look for being wrong.

BECAUSE YOU COULD BE LYING DUMBASS.

HOW DO I KNOW THAT YOU READ THEM? YOUR WORD ALONE?

IF THAT IS HOW YOU THINK YOU SHOULD BE TAKING MY WORD FOR IT AND NOT ARGUING. BUT YOU'RE NOT THINKING CRITICALLY.

"1) Why don't you learn to read 2) read the articles 3) go realize how stupid you look for being wrong."

So mocking me again instead of answering a simple question?

AGAIN, if YOU can't explain what that article said that proves YOUR point, YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT.

And how can I be wrong, if you have yet to prove your point? You stupid twat.

"its hard to find your comments, so let's continue this here: imgflip.com/i/19ntdy"

That's just making me that much more correct. You don't/can't even read!

And no, I'm not following you to another meme kid. YOU CAN ALWAYS REREAD MY COMMENTS.

If you can tell me specifically what the articles said that PROVES your point, I'll admit I was wrong.

Till then you need to just sit the f**k out of the scientific debates. :{

its hard to find your comments, so let's continue this here: imgflip.com/i/19ntdy

I'm waiting for you to talk about the argument, i'm just confused by why you aren't explaining yourself and instead attacking me.

You're full of shit kid.

You're just avoiding giving a single answer because you know you didn't read those articles.

And AGAIN, you attacked me first, I'm only responding to YOU. :{

I give up, I seriously can't find your new comments, and it's impossible to find the comments that prove your point.

If I can find yours, you can find mine.

So, all this lying you're doing is amounting to jack shit.

If you can't tell me how that article proved your point, it can only mean it didn't. :{

because I could be lying? All im asking is that you read it, you don't have to whine like a baby, it's not a "chapter book", its only a few pages. The only way you can tell if for whatever reason that i'd be lying, is if you read it. So calm down child, and read it.

ROFL! Now you're trying to call me a whiner? Classic "i got nothing" move kid.

"All im asking is that you read it"

Why? What did it say that convinced YOU?

I'd read it if you would answer my simple question. What does it say that is convincing? How did it prove your point?

If you can't answer that, then it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about and just want to talk in circles. :{

how can I be a creationist if I believe in evolution?...

??? :{

You literally just told me that was me.

I can't believe I'm drawing it out for you like this but:

You said: "You come here, with no support saying things that don't make sense, so I assume you're a creationist."
I said: 19mq0o.jpg (click to show) (click to show)

As in, you are the one with no support saying things that don't make sense.

Duh. :{

How do animals not have emotions, yet we do? That makes no sense at all.

??? How does your argument make sense?

Your asking why does one species have emotion and the other doesn't, and that sounds like you think because we have certain traits and qualities that animals should have the SAME.

THEN WHY AREN'T ALL ANIMALS BIPEDAL WITH FIVE FINGERED HANDS, ETC.?

Because that isn't how nature works.

We have emotions, animals don't.

How can you not grasp that people PROJECT their emotions onto animals?

How is that not stated clearly and succinctly enough to comprehend?

See I don't think this really doesn't make sense to you, I think you're just being emotional about it. :{

Instead of attacking me directly, do you want to get back on topic and help me understand why you think animals don't have emotions because your idea that we can't observe animal emotions gets me so confused everytime I look at my dog.

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You are the one on the attack kid. You were just trying to attack me on spiritual views just because you're wrong about animals having emotions.

You're also the one who took the conversation off topic.

If you can't convey yourself without having to fake successes, I'm going to just ignore you.

"and help me understand why you think animals don't have emotions because your idea that we can't observe animal emotions gets me so confused everytime I look at my dog."

I didn't say any of that except the part about them not having any emotions.

Trying to put words in people's mouths or exaggerating is just going to contribute to your appearance of ignorance.

You're confused because you can't get that you're just personifying your pets.

Your dog is only nice to you because you feed it, shelter it, and are familiar.

Dogs have pack mentality. Their instincts tell them a pack is necessary to survive. Not that it actually cares for you.

Hachiko, that Japanese dog that "waited" for its owner after the owner died. That dog's instinct tells it to have a pack. The owner is the alpha too. So the dog's instincts tell it to wait for the owner. And the dog doesn't perceive the passage of time, so it wastes its life waiting for a pack member who is never going to return.

Still can't see how animals don't have emotions and only have instincts? :{

Can you respond appropriately, as in respond something that has to do what I said in my last comment, not what I said 3 or 4 comments ago.

*sighs :{

I really don't understand your point, it really just doesn't make sense. Unless you are a creationist, then it makes perfect sense.

lol You're all over the place, aren't you kidward? :{

No, I don't understand why you don't think animals don't have emotions. You seem to be missing a key part of evolution in your knowledge of evolution. Things branch off of eachother, and it's very likely that emotion is in many animals, not just us. It's like saying animals aren't smarter than us because we built civilizations.

Again, can you even scientifically prove evolution through OBSERVATION and EXPERIMENTATION?

Evolution is still JUST A THEORY. It has NEVER been PROVEN. It's not the Law of Evolution yet.

"I don't understand why you don't think animals don't have emotions."

Really?!? Because I've only said my reason about a billion times.

Humans are projecting their emotions onto animals. PERSONIFICATION.

If you still say that makes no sense, you're just an idiot. Or a liar.

"Things branch off of eachother"

Can you prove that first, before claiming to KNOW that they do?

"and it's very likely that emotion is in many animals, not just us."

SO YOU ADMIT YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW?!? ROFL!!!

"It's like saying animals aren't smarter than us because we built civilizations."

BUT THAT IS ACTUAL PROOF THAT WE'RE SMARTER!!!

Animals also have a smaller brain capacity by body proportion too! Their brains aren't capable of advanced mathematics or written languages!!!

It's like you intentionally ignore facts and logic. :{

I'm on the attack because you think I am wrong, but you have no support for yourself, so you're just deflecting the fact that you have no idea what you're saying.

"I'm on the attack because you think I am wrong,"

That's making you look really foolish right now.

"but you have no support for yourself,"

How have I not supported my knowledge?

"so you're just deflecting the fact that you have no idea what you're saying."

From the guy who THINKS animals have emotions yet can't prove it. :{

I'm fine with being foolish because I know that animals have emotion and you're just not willing to look at the facts, and now you're just quoting me and not really ever providing support for yourself.

"I'm fine with being foolish"

I'd rather be intelligent. But you that's logical and you're obviously opposed to logic.

"because I know that animals have emotion"

Did you scientifically prove that? If not, you're an idiot to say you know that.

"you're just not willing to look at the facts"

No kid, that's clearly you in all this. You even said you're fine with being foolish.

"and now you're just quoting me and not really ever providing support for yourself."

The fact that you don't get(or at least appear to) that quoting your own words DOES support my argument just lends more credibility to MY points, not yours kid.

Prove that animals have emotions. Give, I don't know, a single factual example that proves that animals have emotions. :{

You keep asking me to scientifically prove my point, but where's your proof? So far you've shown me no proof at all.

I actually have shown you proof through examples. You have shown literally nothing though. No examples or anything.

And YOU came to me. Not the other way around.

Give me an example and I'll give you an example. :{

I don't read everything you say because once you say some bs thing, I stop reading. But how can you combat a scientific journal?

I can ask you to convey what in that journal PROVED your argument. *drops mic :{

I know evolution is a theory, but that doesn't make creationism any more correct.

You keep bringing up creationism. Not me.

You keep trying to make the argument about animals not having emotions, about God.

You obviously have something against spiritual people, a prejudice, and are ready to ridicule if I say I'm spiritual.

Yes, I do believe in God, and to me God is self evident and the most logical explanation for how the universe came into being out of nothing.

But me knowing that animals have only instinct and no emotions isn't anything to do with theology.

I know it from experience alone.

Evolution is the same way. I used to believe that evolution is just a scientist's explanation of God's processes of creation.

But one day I was curious and looked up what evidence is actually found and the processes they go through in developing their theories.

I became disillusioned by this research. Evolution is very unscientific. And relies on too many assumptions. :{

I don't know how to fight an argument that doesn't make sense.

It's also easy to SAY you don't understand something to keep from admitting when you're wrong. :{

You come here, with no support saying things that don't make sense, so I assume you're a creationist.

OMG. :{