Always two there are, a master and an apprentice

If obama were trying to destroy America internally, he would've done exactly what he has: Divided the country and brought in millions of foreigners who hate America.

Exactly. Many of whom are Muslims who have theocratic ideals and want to incorporate sharia law. Jihad is their goal.

There are three stages of Jihad.

The first is to act passive, ingratiate yourself into the native population.

The second stage - defensive jihad - starts when you feel that muslims are strong enough in a country to have some influence on decision making processes and society. You start propaganda campaigns and try to influence people's minds to aquiesce to islamic traditions and law.

The third stage is offensive jihad. This is what happens if muslims become the majority in the country: Basically a theocracy of the kind we see in the islamic world.

Ingratiate is step 1, integration comes next

The great line of defense of Uncle Billy and his gun under the pillow... :D

lol, I loved this comment!!!

Thanks :D

'Bout time someone used that template other than me! :)

Check out my mafia meme and the norris one lol

Okay, that cracked me up. I started thinking about the episode that meme is from. Lol!

I know right lol. One of the greats.

But that's none of my business..

Lol

The national debt was 10 trillion when obama was elected, now it's 20. Pretty simple stuff "Madolite".

The point is that it's not the President who has caused it. Nor would it have been the Republican President, if they had won instead.

No one is saying that the president has FULL control over the economy, but to say he isn't to blame is nonsense. It's his decisions which have added 10 trillion in debt.

Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton greatly helped the economy in their terms...

No, what has added 10 trillion in debt is largely inflation and interest. If you actually paid attention to what Obama's done, he's not done as bad as you think. He's created almost 9 million more jobs (+8,649 thousand), for instance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms

The one thing that Obama IS guilty of, however, is making the rich even richer and the poor even poorer, as a result of giving subpar improvement in wages to lower and middle class. But Trump supporters don't generally criticize him for this, because they're often themselves under the impression that the richest deserve their money and that the poorest are lazy.

Maybe you should pay less attention to popular media, and more attention to actual economics. Just because people repeat the same nonsense over and over ad infinitum, doesn't make it true.

Another thing you seem to forget, is the fact that a President's actions doesn't usually come fully into effect until his second term or even after his terms are over. Much of the 10 trillion dollar increase in debt under Obama (that isn't due to inflation and interest) is the repercussions of President Bush's policies.

But such is the fate of every President - to get blamed for everything that his predecessor did because people have a hard time thinking beyond a few years timeframe. And yes, Obama has indeed "failed" to fix a lot of Bush's blunders, but maybe you should blame Bush for causing them to begin with, and not blame the one's who fail to fix it.

Just saying. Anyone, I'm no expert either, so let's give it a rest. I'm sure you got some valid point, even if I don't see them right now.

Peace.

The numbers in the article are sourced from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. They're about as correct as one gets. If you'd bothered to fact-check the data instead of just bashing the source, you'd know this.

So why wasn't the Bureau of Labor Statistics sourced? Why did the middleman, Wikipedia, a website where literally ANYONE with a brain could change what was written, even have to be included?

Again, you're bashing the source and not fact-checking the data.

Because people who aren't 5 years old, are perfectly capable of finding the source if they're actually interested in it, rather than arguing with people for the sole sake of argument and being an obnoxious prick.

"The one thing that Obama IS guilty of, however, is making the rich even richer and the poor even poorer, as a result of giving subpar improvement in wages to lower and middle class."
*slowly starts clapping*

Lol

Lol so are you admitting you lost the debate about islam? Cuz you conveniently steered the discussion toward something else.

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/40-mind-blowing-quotes-barack-hussein-obama-islam-christianity/

Those facts aren't relevant to the issue. Islam is to broad a term. By your logic, all christians must believe that the Earth is 6000 years old. Because those who believe such, are christians.

Don't you see how retarded that sounds? If all apples are fruit, that doesn't mean that all fruit are apples. Seriously, this is kindergarten logic.

"Those facts aren't relevant to the issue. Islam is to broad a term."

The ISSUE that you're arguing, is that Obama isn't allied with Islam. I supplied you with facts that state the contrary.

"By your logic, all christians must believe that the Earth is 6000 years old. Because those who believe such, are christians.

Don't you see how retarded that sounds? If all apples are fruit, that doesn't mean that all fruit are apples. Seriously, this is kindergarten logic."

What are you rambling on about? You stated that my meme about Obama being allies with Islam was a "conspiracy". How is what I supplied you with not "relevant" when he CLEARLY states that he IS allies with Islam?

How is Islam too "broad a term"? There aren't different types or sects of Islam, Islam is Islam. It's an idealogy born from the mind of ONE man - Muhammed, who preached his teachings to scribes writing the Quran.

Islamic countries are Theocratic. There is no seperation between faith and state. This is their goal...to conquer the world and implement their religious laws as the laws of the world. Look at how many countries have become Islamic nations in the past 50-75 years.

Try to form a coherent response next time.

So you are saying that you don't believe that, when impowered 200 million cannot persude the other 1 billion to follow along and "go with it?"
Also in typical liberal regressive fashion you point the finger at Christianity. That's laughanle, yes some Christian under developed nations (mostly african) have some human rights violations, but Christianity as a whole isn't frowned upon my the entire world. Christianity isn't the "mecca" of human rights violations and oppression.
For you to compare the two truley shows your ignorance on the entire manner.
For you to talk about "6000" years also shows me you know nothing of God's word, from a Christian understanding. So I doubt you've sat down and read the quran. To say Apple is a fruit, blah blah blah further demonstrates your misinformed opinions.
I applaude your concern for human rights and respect, but I fear your understanding is unjust.
Have you read the quran, bible, tora, etc?
I apologize if I've mispelled anything as I am currently busy, and typing quickley.

I believe the world is 6000-10000 years old...

I'm getting really sick of you trolling me. You follow me around to multiple memes, starting arguments with me and always taking the side of who started an argument with me.

If you aren't here to compliment my meme, you don't have a reason to be here.

I think his definition of a troll, as well as the definition of who started the debate, is clinically obese. He comes here on Imgflip with his garbage, racist ideas and he expects nobody to react to it...

Why the f**k are you on my meme?

If you aren't on a meme to compliment the person who made the meme, and are only on said meme to disagree with the person who made it and to upvote all comments made by someone who started an argument and defend their stance against the person who made it, then you are a troll.

Starting arguments with me on multiple memes isn't intentionally trying to start shit? You CONTINUALLY start arguments with me on the SAME subject. How is that not harassing? Nice liberal logic. Again, you have no reason to be on my meme other than to irritate me (i.e., trolling).

What you're not getting is that the Islam that is being portrayed in the media, and the Islam that actually exists in this world among the 1.6 billion muslims that many different denominations, some of which are polar opposites of eachother, philosophically, are two VERY different Islams.

It's not Islam that is the "Mecca of human rights violations and oppression". It's the individual cultures in the middle east, and yes these countries happen to be islamic at the same time. Just as some African countries that circumcise little girls and boys and have massive inequality among both gender as well as classes in society, are christian countries.

It's not the belief system, it's the primitivity of those 3rd world countries that, through their illiteracy and despot leaderships, interpret these books with mental retardation.

Over a 100 top muslim scholars across the world who collectively "represent Islam", has unanimously condemned ISIS as a perversion of Islam. ISIS don't represent Islam, neither does Al Quaida.

When I mentioned Christianity, it was meant as an arbitrary example. Because in christianity too, just as in Buddhism and Atheism, you have batshit insane f**kers who CLAIM to act in the name of said belief system or ideology. What people claim and what is the reality, are two completely different things.

That's all I have to say about this. Believe what you may, but for God's sakes use more than popular media and popular opinionists like, say, Sam Harris, as the only source for a complete picture of whatever you're trying to map together - Islam in this case.

Sam Harris is extremely well-spoken, eloquent and learned. But he's not that sophisticated when it comes to understanding cause and effect, and the real reasons why people do the things they do.

Blaming Islam is a gross over-simplification and it's also not a very constructive way to make muslims listen to you. And that's exactly what you don't want. You want people to educate themselves and see the world from a bigger perspective, NOT get defensive and insulted and then looking for a reason to fight you that they didn't have before, because they didn't feel like being backed into a corner before.

There's tons of impressionable, young muslims out there who are living life without conflict, until now when the entire western world is treating them like garbage and making accusations left and right, both personally and as a group. That will necessarily cause frustration.

"What you're not getting is that the Islam that is being portrayed in the media, and the Islam that actually exists in this world among the 1.6 billion muslims that many different denominations, some of which are polar opposites of eachother, philosophically, are two VERY different Islams."

No, what YOU'RE not getting is that Islam is actually DEFENDED in the media these days. You can't criticize Islam without being labeled as a racist Islamophobe. Obama won't even mention Islam when it was the sole reason behind a terrorist attack.

"It's not Islam that is the "Mecca of human rights violations and oppression". It's the individual cultures in the middle east, and yes these countries happen to be islamic at the same time. Just as some African countries that circumcise little girls and boys and have massive inequality among both gender as well as classes in society, are christian countries.

It's not the belief system, it's the primitivity of those 3rd world countries that, through their illiteracy and despot leaderships, interpret these books with mental retardation."

You have no idea what you're talking about. You're just strawmaning it and trying to sound right. The human rights violations committed in Islamic nations happen literally BECAUSE of the belief system. They are following sharia law and doing everything by the book. If you knew anything about the Quran or sharia, you'd know this.

"Over a 100 top muslim scholars across the world who collectively "represent Islam", has unanimously condemned ISIS as a perversion of Islam. ISIS don't represent Islam, neither does Al Quaida."

Again, even "radical extremists" like ISIS and Al Quada are simply following what Muhammed told them to do. There is nothing from the Quran that they're following that is interpreted incorrectly. What the media calls "radical Islam" is just normal Islam. Of course Muslim scholars will condemn the actions of ISIS because they want Islam to APPEAR to be peaceful. It's part of their idealogy to remain secretive until the time to strike, very much like the Sith led by Palpatine in Star Wars. Here is just one example of "Taqiyya":

Quran 17:64;
"Seduce them with your voice and assault them with your cavalry and your infantry, be a partner in their wealth and their children and give them promises ,but what satan promises them,is only a delusion"

https://youtu.be/xHzFkky1qZI

"I think his definition of a troll, as well as the definition of who started the debate, is clinically obese. He comes here on Imgflip with his garbage, racist ideas and he expects nobody to react to it..."

You are a typical liberal Islam apologist. Octavia has STARTED arguments with me on other memes about Islam, so stop acting like you know everything. Did you even read my replies or go to the links I provided?

First of all, Islam is not a race, it's an idealogy created by a pedophile rapist who abused women and treated them like property and sexual playthings. So how am I a racist for being against this?

I'm friends with an IRANIAN-AMERICAN woman who escaped from Islam. She was sold as a child to be married to a guy who beat and raped her. She barely escaped alive. You don't know me, or what I'm about so don't call me a racist.

Are you just going to bury your head in the sand about what I've told you about Islam and ignore it? Or are you going to use your f**king brain and realize what I'm telling you is the truth. Coward.

Continued:

I will give you a recent example of Taqiyya. A Muslim Imam spoke at a mosque in Orlando before the attack and said that "we should get rid of gays out of compassion":

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qBlwxqqAprQ

After the attack, he "condemned" the killings even though he LITERALLY preached that it should happen:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/13/british-imam-preached-death-gays-orlando-blames-media/

"When I mentioned Christianity, it was meant as an arbitrary example. Because in christianity too, just as in Buddhism and Atheism, you have batshit insane f**kers who CLAIM to act in the name of said belief system or ideology. What people claim and what is the reality, are two completely different things."

Anyone who kills in the name of Christianity is violating one of the most important laws given by God in the Ten Commandments. It is forbidden to kill even in the Old Testament. Next, Jesus preached peace and equality. Muhammed on the other hand preached violence. Again, when Muslims commit violent acts, they are just following the Quran. Christian bashers usually bring up the fact that Hitler was a Christian. HE acted on his own sick beliefs, nowhere in the Bible does it say anything remotely close to "all Jews must be killed". The Quran on the other hand, speaks of Jihad (what ISIS is following) among many other verses that incite violence.

You need to study Islam more and not just believe what YOU hear about it being a peaceful idealogy. It is not. I don't get my information from the media. I know a woman from Iran who is now a human rights activist who experienced true Islam and sharia herself. Her name is Aynaz Anni Cyrus. Feel free to look her up on FB or youtube.

Sunni and Shiite Muslims have the same fundamental beliefs of the quran, because as they always state, it is the "original"book, unsoured and they take pride in that.
Can you atleast admit that the quran is a very dangerous tool, if taken to the fullest?
Here's a lesson for you.

Past example: Iran (all other mid east countries)
Formally known as persia.
The moslems were introduced to the population. Over time they multiplied. Became the majority. They over threw the last kinf of perisa. Taken over by islam. Now ran by sharia law. Barbaric country.
Present example Indonesia
93 percent moslem.
The biggest island in Indonesia has recently established sharia. Barbaric.
The other island have nice good muslims, but will eventually have a imam establish sharia, because it says to in the quran. The good muslims will become slaves to their own "religion." You 'll see this happen in your lifetime.
Dearborn, mi same thing.
The power weilded by the few "true followers of allah" always get their way. Because they are doing what was written.
I understand your argument, but you have to understand the history of Islamic state, and how it happens. Ok? Can you try?

What you said is not a lesson. It's a fact arrived from picking and choosing.

"Sharia" is just a word. A word doesn't mean the same to everyone. If it did, then why would there ever be more than 1 abrahamic religion? There's something called "the Eye of the Beholder".

What you make out of and how understand a word (and thus express it), is dependent on your individual traditions and culture. Obviously the Sharia of barbaric despots is gonna become barbaric. But the Sharia of Sunnis is vastly different from the Sharia of Shiites. One believes in a caliphate, the other does NOT. Sharia is just a vague term. How you understand the Quran is going to have an enormous effect on what Sharia means and how it's enforced.

And the rest of the muslims of this world aren't called upon to do something about the muslim countries any more than we non-muslims are called upon to deal with them. Why? Because they're not citizens of those barbaric countries.They migrated away from those 3rd world countries because of how f**ked up they were.

Also, there's thousands of muslims serving in the US military and in NATO and the UN Peacekeepers, fighting against those very regimes that people presume them to be "indifferent" or "inactive" against.

Why the hell do you think Sunni and Shia is fighting eachother all the time? And there's more to Islam than just Sunni and Shia, just as there's more to christianity than just protestants and catholics.

Also, how exactly would you characterize the British Empire as "civilized"? Don't start a history lesson with me. Here in Norway, vikings got their head chopped off for not converting to christianity. Not to mention the countless witch burnings and other things.

But I agree with you on the Quran, it's definitely a very dangerous tool if you base your science and your secular laws on it. Same as the Bible, same as ANY book in existence that is based on storytelling rather than proper scientific inquiry. That doesn't mean that the book needs to go. It just means that we need to change people's attitudes towards the book. Which most muslims on this planet have already done.

No rational muslims living with a 21st century modern mindset interprets the Quran literally. In fact, it's a well known truth in Islam that doing so is an insult to the Prophet. The book must be read and then conferred with actual history, additional teachings and such to see the biggest possible picture and THEN be understood.

Muhammed married and raped little girls dude. Did Jesus ever do that?

Want to know what sharia looks like? Here's an example from Indonesia which is regarded as peaceful.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/crowd-cheers-woman-brutally-caned-7087489

Also, women there who want to join the military have to pass a test where a man sticks his fingers up her va**na to see if she's a virgin.

That's Islam.

The sunnis and shiites are only divided by political differences, not religious. Shows how little you know about Islam. There aren't multiple sects in Islam like in Christianity.

ISLAM follows ONE BOOK.

Islam follows one book, but a book needs to be read and different people with different traditions read books differently.

"No rational muslims living with a 21st century modern mindset interprets the Quran literally. In fact, it's a well known truth in Islam that doing so is an insult to the Prophet."

So you're not supposed to take literally what Muhammed himself preached? Okay, I see that you're completely mentally ill now.

Is it not meant to be taken literally how he said to cut out girl's clits or that you can marry 9 year old girls?

Sick f**k.

So you didn't read anything I said then?
I'm showing you what happens when the majority becomes Islamic in a country. It becomes an Islamic state. Explain to me how sharia is played out differently between sun is please. Because the oppression is still there.
Christians chopping off heads in norway? Don't back track to biking times, bud, because these Islamic atrocties are happening still here in today. Far, far more then any African Christian nation. Which if you did any research at all youd find that those nations are about half and half.
And you are right about changing the attitude about the quran. That is what Muslims are doing. Then once they are the majority, just as I have stated, they take over the government with sharia law. I never said British were civilized btw. But they are much more civilized then any muslim country, that's why they are all migrating to England you twat!
It is also not known by Muslims that interpreting the quran as such is against the prophet. Because the killings, pedophilia, etc is one of mohammeds last prophecies. Some of the ones he wrote in his death bed, angry like the mortal man he was.

As far as Muslims in the US military goes you have to understand that Islam is unlike any religion in the world. It is a tolitarian system wrapped up in a religious backdrop.
In Islam, the state is intended to be inseparable from religious rule. Islamic law, or Sharia, is complete and not designed to coexist with or be subordinate to any other legal system. Qur’an (18:26) – “[Allah] maketh none to share in his government.”
So basically when they take the oath to protect america, they are told by the Quran this. And they believe it.
All of your arguments against my facts are just feelings you have.
I'm stating actual verses (fact) while you are just giving me emotion responses, deflection, and dismissal. It's getting tough to continue this argument when you keep doing that...

Yes the media defends Islam. The only reason why this is a bad thing in your head, is because you're presupposing that Islam is a bad thing, which I've repeatedly said is not.

The reason why the media defends Islam, is because it needs defending. What you need to attack and criticize are the actual people doing the actual evil deeds in this world - NOT broad-stroke the problem onto 1.6 billion people.

Seriously, how are you ever going to even be able to punish anyone at all if you can't tell one muslim apart from another. Your attitude is a direct insult to everyone who's ever been a victim of islamic terrorism.

So you just YOU say Islam is not a bad thing, that makes it true?

If you've paid ANY attention whatsoever to what I've been saying, I've been attacking the IDEALOGY, not "broad-stroke the problem onto 1.6 billion people."

Islam IS a bad thing and most certainly should NOT be defended. You deflect the problems with Islam and blame them on people instead of WHAT THEY'RE FOLLOWING. What kind of logic is that?

What part of Muhammed being a pedophile, rapist, woman beater and overall violator of human rights do you not understand? How is someone like that fit to create a religion?

"Islam IS a bad thing and most certainly should NOT be defended,"
This is called broad-stroking the problem onto 1.6 billion people.

Grow up. I'm paying perfect attention to what you're saying. I merely disagree.

No it's an indictment against the idealogy. Did you know that most of the Muslims who are peaceful are actually defying the Quran and aren't considered to be "real Muslims"? So how can I be attacking people who aren't even considered to be real Muslims by their own religion?

"Aren't considered to be real muslims"? By whom? You do realize that the word "Islam" literally means peace, right?

Try talking less out of your ass the next time. The only people who think peaceful muslims aren't "real muslims", are ISIS and similar islamic nutf**ks. And their word is irrelevant, because they aren't considered real muslims themselves, but the vast majority of muslims in this world.

"Try talking less out of your ass the next time. The only people who think peaceful muslims aren't "real muslims", are ISIS and similar islamic nutf**ks. And their word is irrelevant, because they aren't considered real muslims themselves, but the vast majority of muslims in this world."

YOU are the one talking out of YOUR ass. As I've already stated, I get much of my information about Islam from a woman who grew up IN it. I think she knows more about it than some punk like you who just watches the news.

EVERY Islamic country ends up adopting sharia as law. Muslims in America are trying to as we speak. Can we agree that this is bad?

Once more, I've already told you about "taqiyya". You really think that a non-peaceful man would create a peaceful religion? What sense does that make?

Taqiya (???? taqiyyah/taq?yah, literally "fear, caution") is a form of Islamic dissimulation or a legal dispensation whereby a believing individual can deny their faith or commit otherwise illegal or blasphemous acts while they are in fear or at risk of significant persecution.

How on Earth does this got anything to do with "killing gays out of compassion"?

"Taqiyya" mean deception to further Islam. You need to watch this video about it;

https://youtu.be/xHzFkky1qZI

The Muslim Imam pretended to "condemn" the attack as I've already said, which is an example of taqiyya.

Kinda funny that it means peace when it was born from war and take over, convert or did tactics. You are from Norway so you are smart enough to not be in the eu. So you don't have to deal with this human garbage, only coming to your country seeking handouts.
Ignorant people like you will not understand until it's kicking in your front door. Europe is lost. And you 'll see the repercussions of you non actions soon enough.

We're not part of the EU, but we ARE part of the EEA. So saying that Norway has no experience with the extremeties of immigration is nonsense. There's even people who travel through Europe and all the way to Norway just so they can become beggars, because they take that money with them back home to live like kings. (Or at least that's what they delude themselves into thinking, before they come here.)

I'm arguing the epistemology and majority interpretations of the Quran here, not the literal content. The content can be interpreted in many different ways, depending on your culture and bias.

Kurt Cobain sings "rape me", too. And yet he's not talking about rape at all.

Literally the worst analogy I've ever heard.

How can marrying little girls be interpreted multiple ways?

Well, first off the average life expectancy in ancient times was 30-40 years at most. So what's considered a "little girl" today, was considered an "adult" in the past (and this isn't just Islam, but most other cultures as well). And 10-year old kids had full jobs and toiled in the fields. 10-15 year olds went to war. Clearly, it makes sense not to marry a dead corpse.

The problem is when modern day muslims interpret these ancient texts as being relevant within a 21st century society where the life expectancy is 60, 70 or 80 years of age and we got science to back up the idea that a 13 year old kid isn't fully developed to be treated as an adult. Our modern day lives has afforded us a number of luxuries that people in the past did not have.

And most muslims understand these realities. Which is why most modern muslims get girlfriends above the sexual age, much the same way as anyone else.

Similarly, there's an originally logical reason why jews and muslims don't eat pork. Pork can literally kill you, due to the trichinosis parasite. This is why pouring Coca Cola on pork sometimes causes "maggots" to emerge from the meat.

You're actually defending pedophilia...wow. You are trying to justify pedophilia by citing life spans? No dude, a prepubescent girl has ALWAYS been a prepubescent girl. Jesus lived 600 years before Muhammed, and never once said it was okay to do that.

My point about the ancient texts, is that they were NEVER right to begin with. You simply can't defend the fact that Muhammed raped women, raped and married little girls, treated women like property and preached violence. Someone like that is not fit to create a religion.

"@renegade_sith: I'm not defending paedophilia at all, I'm explaining to you why primitive people had the cultures that they had and thus, why an ancient book would contain text that makes zero sense today."

No, there was never an excuse to do it. Muhammed did because he was a sadistic f**k who told people allah said it was okay so that he could get away with it.

Nowhere in the Bible is pedophilia taught to be ok.

We re going to need a mod in here to see this...

@renegade_sith: I'm not defending paedophilia at all, I'm explaining to you why primitive people had the cultures that they had and thus, why an ancient book would contain text that makes zero sense today.

Yes but that's other eea residents. Not mass immigration of Moslems like you knew I was saying. ;)

Then why did you mention EU? EEA is practically the same thing as EU, and the "mass immigration of Moslems" you're speaking of aren't people who's migrating from one EU country to another, anyways (unless they're moving through as part of the process). They're refuges of war in the middle east and north africa. Some of them are also students and workers, but again it's from those outside countries.

And if you think that Norway hasn't had its fair share of muslim immigration, then you should come visit us and see for yourself. We are even harboring an islamic terrorist who's wanted by the CIA - Mullah Krekar. He serves prison in Norway for humanitarian reasons.