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8 ups, 5y
:)
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7 ups, 5y,
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5 ups, 5y,
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Exactly! People like to use that as an excuse for bad behavior, but what it really means is: Even if someone is doing something we have no right to judge them (Referring to the passage about the Adulteress). Of course, we still need to help the lost, but we must also remember we too were once lost and we are no better nor more 'holy' than they are. And that judging is up to God and God alone. We need to be examples of a Merciful, Loving God, not a hateful, judgmental one
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3 ups, 5y
It is not our job to condemn someone for their sin, but it is our job to point out their sin, to hold them accountable for their actions. People often confuse pointing out of sin to that of judging based on their sin, mainly because there is something they enjoy doing and if it is pointed out to them that it is wrong, then they only see it as being judged.
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Oooh so your talking about how you have to nice (and it sounds like everyone here is acting like that) but every single one of u are 1). Get angry on what I'm about to say 2). Think ur ppl haven't done anything wrong. Ok you Christians think that everything you do is forgiven and anything us Muslims do is bad and werevil and that shit don't say u haven't seen it most people who hate us is of ur polytheistic religion (technically u are polytheistic) u have done countless of slaughters millions killed and you think you did nothing.
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1 up, 5y
There are Christians that get it wrong just like SOME Islamists. There are those in any religion, or even more simply, group who don't understand the what their group is about. It doesn't anger me when someone brings up the inquisitions, it makes me want to b more vigilant to be sure no one gets it that wrong again. Instead of deflecting and putting blame back on those affected by an evil action, you would do your cause much more good by joining in the condemnation and identifying yourself as a peaceful follower of Islam. In your last statement YOU group all followers of Islam together, just as you accuse others of doing, this is why it is often hard to distinguish between radicals and peaceful followers of Islam. It is up to you to make the distinction and let people know what you are about.
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0 ups, 4y
No, technically we are a weird form of monotheistic that is different. (not all believe in a trinity). Angry? More like mildly offended, maybe.
2) Clearly we have. Muslims, I may not agree with, but some are probably nice and good people. However, terrorism going on currently. ISIS is bigger than any Christian hate groups (that I know of).
3) Christians have also done good things, like many died in World War 2 to protect Jews and in other wars.
And of course there was Charlemagne who was kinda psycho.
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6 ups, 5y,
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0 ups, 5y,
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incorrect.
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You are incorrect and have no clue as to the teachings of Jesus. You are just a sheep that follows the idiots in front of you. Show me in the New Testament where it says the Sabbath is on Sunday and you are not to follow Jewish holidays? I have a minor in Theology and studied both religions in depth. You will never find it.
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Where in the Bible does it list any day by name? The Sabbath was on the 7th day, which is the last day of the week. Some people see the first day of the week to be Sunday, some people see it as Monday. But who is to say that the Sabbath has to be the same day for everyone? If we just take one day of the week and make it our 7th day or our Sabbath day, as long as we keep it pure and holy, does it really matter what day it is?
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3 ups, 5y,
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Provide the biblical verses that state exactly what day the sabbath is on.
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My first comment to you, if you have the intelligence to go back and read it, stated the sabbath is on the 7th day. What I am trying to get from you is what day the Bible says is the 7th day. No where in the Bible does it mention Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, or Sunday. The names of the days didn't even come into existence until after the 2nd century AD. So unless you are going to provide something to show that the first day is Sunday and the 7th is Saturday, then you really have no right to dispute anything here. God only stated work 6 days rest on the 7th or the sabbath. BTW, if you really feel this strongly about Saturday being the sabbath and the sanctity of it, I hope you never turn on your TV, computer, go to any type of store or resturaunt, or go and do anything that involves someome else working on the sabbath because then you are assisting in their sin.
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0 ups, 5y,
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I just figured out something... You're accusing me of doing what you're doing, tetsuoswrath (YOUR alt).
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1 up, 5y
Let me tell you a little story. My original account on this site was d2renterprise. Tetsuoswrath attacked me when I had that account for making a suggestion for the site that he didn't like, mainly because it would have exposed him as being a downvote fairy. During his attacks I used 2 other accounts to try to slow down his attacks on me, but it didn't work because he not only used alt accounts but had recruited multiple other people to attack me as well. I had to delete that account because his attacks caused me to have to wait 2 hours between comments. After deleting those accounts and waiting a couple months I created Sir_Memesalot, which many people think was trying to attack top users when in fact I was just trying to expose problems with the site. It was also the account that was the first to get 2 blank memes to the front page.

See unlike some people (you and even tetsuoswrath) I have no problem admitting when I have alts. In fact I do have an alt right now but only use it to submitting extra memes I come up with that I don't want to wait to post, because there are times I will come up with 20 meme ideas in one sitting, and when I come up with more the next day, it takes forever to get them all submitted. I despise tetsuoswrath with a passion. On one of my memes he commented. I really didn't want him there, but since the meme went no where I responded anyways. If you take a look at https://imgflip.com/i/15f2ri?nerp=1466515918#com738724 you would see how there are no upvotes on his comments there. If I was on my computer I could go through and make screenshots of all his memes showing that I have not upvoted a single one of his memes. So if I was his alt, don't you think I would boost his points and give him upvotes. If you need more evidence, tetsuoswrath lives in California. I live in Kansas, near the Wichita area. In fact you can e-mail me at [email protected] and I will take a screenshot of your email and post it here. You won't get any information about who tetsuoswrath really is because he, like many others here, are afraid to give out info about themselves. So go ahead and prove me wrong if you want to try, or you can just contact Raydog and ask if he thinks I am tetsuoswrath.
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0 ups, 5y,
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That just proves what I suspected. All you're doing is trolling me. You've set up an impossible to disprove situation. If those others had commented, it's proof they're my alts. Because they didn't comment, it's proof they're my alts. When I provide a reasonable argument as to why those aren't my alts, you change your story. Grow the f**k up.
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1 up, 5y
If by changing my story you mean the retraction I made BEFORE you even replied, then you are just trying to make it look like I am trying to make shit up. You never provoded any reasonable doubt to NotU and LittleDovely1 being your alts. However if people were to look at the interaction of all 3 accounts with me, they would see a pattern. This pattern is that after I proved each one wrong about something, instead of admitting they were wrong, they just skipped that part of the conversation in the next comment. All 3 of you did that. If anyone was able to watch the conversations take place while they were going on, they would see how that after one account stopped another automatically started. It is only impossible for you to disprove because it is true. I don't know why you keep coming back trying to claim they are not your accounts. Who are you trying to prove it to? Yourself?
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1 up, 5y,
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Let me put it this way: The Children of Israel are a pretty stubborn lot when it comes to The Law. Do you really think the ENTIRE HEBREW POPULATION would change the day that Shabbat falls on? And if they were incorrect, wouldn't Jesus have corrected them on it as He did for so many of their other mistakes?

There is historical evidence that the Catholic church changed the day of worship to Sunday, mostly to appease previous-sun-worshipping new converts. There are many pagan traditions that the early Catholics adopted to make it easier for pagans to convert. This is established historical fact.
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2 ups, 5y
Let me ask you this. If God never really cared what day exactly the Shabbat was on (as far as whether it was Saturday or Sunday or whatever other day) and that He only cared whether people worked 6 and rested 1, would there have been a reason for Jesus to need to correct them on what day they rested? A good example of this is Mark 3:1-6 when Jesus healed a man on the Sabbath. Jesus worked on the day they considered to be the Sabbath, but because it was a good and righteous thing he was doing, he told us that God finds no fault in that. Even in Luke 13:15-16, Jesus's reply to the leader in charge of the synagogue for trying to tell people to only come on one of the 6 days, "But the Lord replied, “You hypocrites! Each of you works on the Sabbath day! Don’t you untie your ox or your donkey from its stall on the Sabbath and lead it out for water? This dear woman, a daughter of Abraham, has been held in bondage by Satan for eighteen years. Isn’t it right that she be released, even on the Sabbath?”" The main point of the Sabbath is to keep it holy, even if we have to work on that day.
They might have had a specific day in which they traditionally had the Sabbath, but it is never fully defined in the Bible, other than being the 7th day. The days of the week were only named by numbers. And instead of moving holidays like what we do, like sometimes Easter is at the end of March and other in the beginning of April, they take a day out or added to the previous month so the holiday falls on the right numbered day of the week. So some months never have the same number of days from one year to the next. It wasn't until after the 2nd Century AD that the names of the days were given, and when it then became tradition for Sunday to be the beginning of the week, Day 1. Although it is funny that we call both Saturday and Sunday the weekend and Monday - Friday the week days instead of calling only Saturday the weekend, Sunday the week-beginning, and Monday - Friday the week days. Although the Hebrews did it by saying things like "Yom Rishon b?Shabbat" or "the first day of the week".
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0 ups, 5y,
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Wow, you sure are being defensive. That just proves it.

I have one account. This one. I never post anonymously, either. Your "proof" is circumstantial AT BEST.

The proof you gave that you're "not" tetsuoswrath is the same proof I gave you that I'm not NotU. That wasn't good enough for you, so why should it be good enough for me? TROLL.

I will absolutely ignore you and your alt from now on.
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1 up, 5y
You never gave any type of evidence to try and prove that those are not your alts. You never gave any type of proof as to your claim that I am tetsuoswrath. And if you think my response is defensive, where did I start cursing you out like you did me for making the accusation? I have given out information about who I really am and you think that isn't evidence? Why not make a fake email account and email me like I told you. By emailing [email protected], I will post an image of that email here. Then I will post a link to one of tetsuoswraths memes in which we went at it. See you only claim that you are going to ignore me because you know I can prove you wrong yet again. And do you really think I care if you ignore tetsuoswrath? I would like to see his account deleted for the way he treated me. So go ahead and show your fear by refusing to allow me to prove who I really am. You just know you can't do the same about proving you don't have alts.
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0 ups, 5y,
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I was pointing out that you have no solid evidence for your statement about me having an alt account. I took it to the extreme -- too far to the extreme -- and for that, I do apologize.

If you look through all the comments on this meme, you'll see that NotU and NeverTrump were debating each other, then NotU and I were debating. You might try to say that I am NeverTrump also, except that if you check my memes, I have made several that were anti-Hillary and pro-Trump, and I'm telling you now, I voted for Trump, so I wouldn't use the username NeverTrump.

You haven't proven anything. End of story.
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1 up, 5y
Before you made this comment, I made a retraction about NeverTrump. I corrected it by stating that the 3rd account is LittleDovely1. The fact all 3 accounts have acted the exact same way after I proved each one wrong with logic and evidence that can't be denied is enough evidence to say all 3 are one and the same. Each time you haven't been capable of proving something I said was wrong, you ignore that part of the comment in your response. Do you honestly think continually denying it will get me to say I was wrong, because that won't happen. There has been a pattern from all 3 accounts, a pattern that if anyone else was to experience would come to the same conclusion.

Also your appology is not accepted. You are a liar and untrustworthy. Plus the fact there was no validity to your claim means there was no reason to take offense to it. Once again proving that the harshness of your reaction only proves there is truth to what I am saying. The harder someone tries to deny something, the more truth there is behind it. If someone is truely innocent, their actions show it amd their faith in the truth being revealed allows them to act calmly. So continue denying to me all you want, you can't change my mind about it.
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0 ups, 5y,
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SHDH... They rested EVERY SEVENTH DAY, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS... The name culturally assigned to it is IRRELEVANT, but not the fact THAT THEY KEPT THE SAME FRACKING DAY! You're giving me a cramp in my brain from all your COMPLETE LACK OF LOGIC!

"Their culture created the holidays, not God. " (YOUR WORDS, AGAIN!) REALLY? How do you explain Leviticus 23 AND 25?

<-- MIght I direct your attention to the screenshot (and note the web address is the same one I used earlier). Please, STOP PROVING YOUR OWN STUPIDITY!

PLEASE use that thing in your skull for ONCE.
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2 ups, 5y
Try doing it on your phone and you will see that it is not there, f**ktard. That is what I am on right now, and it doesn't say "see also weekends". So f**k off already.

But was that 7th day Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, or Sunday? Answer it by quoting a boble verse.

The only thing you caught me on is the holidays, altbough I bet if I was to go through all their religious holidays not all of them were designated by God.
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Look, it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to be able to count off every 7 days ad infinitem. To suggest that the Shabbat held by modern Jews is not the same Shabbat held by every other follower of The Law until the beginning of time defies logic.
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2 ups, 5y
In order to count off every 7 days, you have to first know when theirs started. Do you know the date of their first day? How many years, months, days, and hours ago was it? Can you say with 100% certainty that modern Jews never changed what day? I can say that with 100% certainty that it is quite possible as they follow the Gregorian calendar and not the original Hebrew or Jew calendar.
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0 ups, 5y,
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More false logic. Just because one event happened after another event does not mean there is a connection. JFK was assassinated after Marilyn Monroe died of an overdose. That's not proof that there is a cause and effect relationship. I read what all the comments were before I started commenting. I was calling you on your bullshit.

And yeah, I get a little pissy about being FALSELY ACCUSED OF SOMETHING!!! Don't you? Or are you going to get on your high horse and make some stupid snide comment about how much better than me you are because you wouldn't get pissed off about it? You're a pedophile. Try and tell me that doesn't piss you off? Don't get defensive, now.
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2 ups, 5y
To be able to accuse someone of being a pedophile, you would need hard solid evidence of that, like pictures, videos, testimony tied with DNA samples. Now I could get real defensive about you trying to call me a pedophile, but I think your accusation only proves how desperate you are in hiding the truth. Do you really think the accusation of having alt accounts is even in the slightest comparable to accusing someone of being a pedophile? I hope not, because that is just being retarded. Accusing someone of having alt accoints effects nothing of that person's personal or professional life, but trying to accuse someone of being a pedophile, and if it was to get out to the right people, could destroy their family, their career, and in extreme cases (like loosing everything even after provong their innocence) their life.

BTW, the bullet that killed JFK didn't continue flying until it hit Monroe and kill her, so it is obvious there is no connection there. However after NeverTrump suddenly stopped responding, it didn't take long for NotU to start when NT stopped at. Then NotU suddenly stopped and you showed up. In fact after NotU started talking here NeverTrump has never been back to say anything to anyone here, and the same for NotU after you showed up. You can try and deny it all you want, but the facts are clear. The only reason they haven't come back at all to try to defend you in claiming you are not all one and the same is because it would be too obvious to have them start responding now after I already called you out on it. You might as well just give up. You lost. I have proven you wrong on mostly everything, evidence by you ignoring what was said, just like NotU and NeverTrump did when I proved you wrong on those accounts as well. You might as well stop talking, because it won't help your case any.
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1 up, 5y
Actually I need to make one retraction to my last statement. NeverTrump isn't who is one of your accounts, it is LittleDovely1.
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0 ups, 5y,
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I didn't ignore what you said about Jesus's position on the Sabbath; I said you were WRONG! DUH!

I didn't ignore what you said about the months; I said you were WRONG! DUH!

So people stopped putting the "s" on "weekend" because they're lazy. BFD! Changes NOTHING about my point! DUH!

"I haven't seen anything yet by you to show me I am wrong in that God would be fine with people starting and ending the week on any days name we choose. Work 6 rest on the 7th, that is the only thing that is important." Those are YOUR WORDS! If The Law has been around since the beginning, SO HAS THE SABBATH! DUH!
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Go back and read the last f**king line of that part of the post. "The main point of the Sabbath is to keep it holy, even if we have to work on that day.". How is that any f**king different than what you said, asshat.

You know jackshit about the months of the Hebrew calendar, so just you saying I am wrong is you f**kig ignoring what I said. Go and do some f**king research asshole.

They never put an s on the end asshole. It has always been weekend. Stop making shit up.

And in the f**king beginning he f**king said to work 6 and rest the 7th, it is called the creation story. What did God do on the 7th day? He rested. So I never said the Sabbath wasn't there from the beginning, I have said that the Sabbath was never defined as what day of the week (as far as Sunday, Monday, ect.) it is to fall on. Try to keep up asshole. Or just do everyone a favor and shut the f**k up.
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0 ups, 5y,
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I have come to the conclusion that you are either baiting me or are SERIOUSLY lacking in common sense.

How can you not see that counting off EVERY 7 days would result in the same day of the week? It's a logical and mathematical certainty.

I have stated previously that the Jews are a seriously stubborn lot when it comes to following The Law. If ANY had tried to hold Shabbat on any but the seventh day, there would have been an orthodox faction that would have continued on with the EVERY 7 days and would harshly ridicule any who didn't. The fact that the ENTIRE Jewish population still maintains the same Shabbat means that, logically, such a thing COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED.

Either fess up to baiting or accept the fact that you would be hopelessly outsmarted by Forrest Gump.
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2 ups, 5y
The only one that would be outsmarted by Forrest Gump is you. Even if we started with today and counted backwards, how do we know for a FACT that today was their day 1? We don't. We would need to know their exact first day date or their last day in which they kept track of the date by Day 1, Day 2, ect.

To say that the Jews today follow the exact same calendar that was followed back then is stupid, otherwise none of the Jews today would be on the same date we are on today. Even today, just like what I mentioned with Easter before, the Jews do the exact same thing with either holidays because they follow the same Gregorian calendar that we follow. This means they do not follow the exact same calendar or way of counting days as did the Jews in the beginning. How is this so hard for you to understand?
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I don't have a smartphone, and the screenshot PROVES IT IS FRACKING THERE. Go to a library or something if you don't have a computer. IT'S THERE, I PROVED IT, GET OVER IT!

"But was that 7th day Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, or Sunday?" (your words) " They rested EVERY SEVENTH DAY, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS... The name culturally assigned to it is IRRELEVANT, but not the fact THAT THEY KEPT THE SAME FRACKING DAY!" (my words) Already answered. You're argument is irrelevant.

I will say this: You are right that not all the holidays that the Jews celebrate were established in the Torah. The main one that comes to mind is Hanukkah. http://www.history.com/topics/holidays/hanukkah -- I was somewhat familiar with the history, but this is much more detailed than what I had previously read. The 'Did you know' thing was interesting, too, in my opinion.
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2 ups, 5y
Maybe you need to click on that link and see what it says. It gives the definition "every weekend; on or during weekends", which means it is only the plural form of weekend, meaning more than 1 weekend. The definition of weekend according to your link is "any two-day period taken or given regularly as a weekly rest period from one's work", or if you look at the image again, "the end of the week, esp the period from Friday night until the end of Sunday" which means both Saturday and Sunday collectively, not each day separately. Learn how to f**king read.

"The name culturally assigned to it is IRRELEVANT, but not the fact THAT THEY KEPT THE SAME FRACKING DAY!" Actually it is relevant to this conversation, f**ktard. The original conversation started with what day, Saturday or Sunday, does the Sabbath fall on. Try to keep up. I know it is hard for someone like you that has the brain of a 2 year old. The Sabbath when talked about in the Bible is on the 7th day, I never said it wasn't. Leviticus 23:3 "Work six days. The seventh day is a Sabbath, a day of total and complete rest, a sacred assembly. Don’t do any work. Wherever you live, it is a Sabbath to God." It doesn't say that you have to work the same 6 days as everyone else. It just says to work 6 and rest on the 7th.
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0 ups, 5y,
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That's not proof that's false logic.

F**k off.
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2 ups, 5y
It is enough proof for me, and how touchy you are about mentioning it is even more evidence. If it is false logic, then logically explain why one account suddenly stops and another one replies right where the previous left off at? You even quoted something I said to someone else as if I said it to you. Anyone who is able to think logically about it would come to the same conclusion I have. The more you deny it like you are, the more you prove me right.
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0 ups, 5y,
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An earlier point I had made was that these early followers of God were VERY STRICT about keeping The Law and that LITERALLY EVERY FOLLOWER OF GOD WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THE DAY AT THE SAME TIME, so the fact that they have Shabbat on Saturday tells me this has been the day of the week FROM THE BEGINNING because we have had The Law FROM THE BEGINNING! Your thought or claim that any ol' seventh day will do is OBVIOUSLY INCORRECT! (Again, DUH!)

" Did you know that in the Jewish calendar they add and subtact days from the week to keep holidays and the sabbath at certain times?" THOSE ARE YOUR WORDS! Try to deny it, but I DID READ EVERYTHING YOU'VE WRITTEN! (Again, DUH!)

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/weekend?s=t -- I'll save you some trouble: "
See also weekends" Who's ignorant now? (Again, DUH!)

Why don't YOU stop being an asshole and LEARN from people who ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT!
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Where in the Bible days it list the 7th day as Saturday? It doesn't. Those names didn't come until after 2nd Century AD. They only made it traditiom to keep it the same for everyone because of how strict they were with when holidays were allowed to be. Their culture created the holidays, not God. God only said work 6 reat on 7th. He never said it had to be the same for everyone. It was the Israelites that made it that way, NOT GOD.

If they added and subtracted days to keep holidays on certain days, how the f**k is that willy-nilly? It isn't. It is done intentionally. And sabbath shouldn't have been in there, not sure why I added that in. But once again it is not f**king willy-nilly the way they do it. It is done intentionally and with a purpose.

Went to your link and found "the end of a week, especially the period of time between Friday evening and Monday morning". Nothing about "see also weekends". So try again, or better yet don't, because I am done wasting time on an asshat like you. You know jackshit and you are showing that with every single post. You even can't admit when you are wrong, shown by how you conveniently left out the part where I proved you wrong on you trying to say I was wrong about what Jesus said about the Sabbath. F**k off, goodbye, and just leave me the f**k alone already.
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Okay, you win the weekend argument. Congratulations.

Are you still seriously saying that the ENTIRE POPULATION OF ISRAEL would just up and choose a different seventh day?
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2 ups, 5y
Who says they chose a different 7th day? Maybe we chose a different 7th day. They created a tradition of their 7 days in order to have the holidays when they need to be. It might have been designed by God based off of some of the holidays, but there is nothing to state that our 7 days actually matches theirs.
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How is counting to 7 so hard for you?

I'm finished. I'm ignoring any further notifications about your comments.
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You don't f**king understand. What day is day 1 today? Most people would say it is Sunday. When does the bible say when Day 1 is? Other than being the first day of the week and the first day they work, there is no name that we can go off of like we use today. We can't even say based off of the bible when the exact first day of the world is. The only way to say that we know exactly when Day 1 and Day 7 is based off of our calendar is to know when their's started. This is pretty basic. Not as basic as counting to 7 by starting on a random day, but it is still pretty basic. The only way to know for sure that their Day 1 of the week matches with our Day 1 (Sunday) of the week is to know the exact date of one of their Day 1s BEFORE they stopped using the Jewish or Hebrew calendar and definitely before the days of the week were named. If you go back to the beginning of this conversation, started by one of your alt accounts, it started because it was stated the day we practice the Sabbath doesn't match when the first Jews or Hebrews practiced the Sabbath. The only way to determine this, once again, is to know the exact date of one of their days and start counting to 7 from there. That is the only way to know the answer to what started all of this. How is that so hard to understand?
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Jesus corrected the Pharisees for misunderstanding the purpose of Shabbat. It's not a sin to do good or to do what is necessary just because it happens to be the Shabbat.

Where do you get the idea that God didn't care what day it was? "REMEMBER THE Sabbath Day to keep IT holy." Ring a bell? Not "KEEP A Sabbath Day..."

The early Israelites followed a lunar calendar for the months. Since a lunar cycle is roughly 29 1/2 days, of course the length of the months changed all the time, but it wasn't just done willy-nilly, like you seem to be saying.

I find it interesting that you use the word Easter for Resurrection Day... Are you unaware that the Catholic Church named it that after the pagan fertility goddess Eostre, whose symbols are rabbits and eggs (sound familiar?) to make it easier for her worshippers to convert?

And your point about calling Saturday and Sunday the "weekend" is kinda lame, too. Look at your average calendar that shows Sunday as the first day. At one "end" you have Sunday, and at the other "end" you have Saturday. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure this out.

And The Law has been around since Adam and Eve, just not in written form. How else could it be said beyond a doubt that Cain's sacrifice was unfavorably received. He should have known it wasn't the type of sacrifice God wanted (unless you believe God was just being a jerk?) We know from Genesis 14:18-20 that there were priests of God like Melchizedek and that Abram (not yet Abraham) gave him a tenth of everything... HE TITHED, as he should've according to The Law! To say that The Law didn't come about until Moses wrote it down is a fallacy.
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I am bored with you already. You clearly just ignored what I stated about what Jesus said about the Sabbath and tried to state I don't know what I am talking about. You obviously don't have the intelligence to read what I stated about why certain months changed. I also only used Easter as an example of a holiday we just move around willy-nilly on the calendar verses doing what the Hebrews did with their new year by adding or subtracting a day from one of 2 months to keep it from falling on the Sabbath. But apparently that just went over your head. You also couldn't comprehend what I stated about the weekend. Even though Sunday is an "end" of the week, it is not the end (for most people). Just like a line has 2 ends, one is the beginning and one is the end. It is called weekend, not weekends (meaning 2 separate ends). And where the f**k did I state the Law didn't come until Moses? Which of my words are you twisting around to state that?
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I'm ignoring your idiotic argument, but not your false accusation made with no proof.

I DO NOT HAVE AN ALT ACCOUNT! I AM NOT A F**KING COWARD! I OWN ALL MY MEMES AND COMMENTS!

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My proof is there are 3 accounts trying to use the same arguments in the same thread, but never at the same time. One started, suddenly stopped, another started, then suddenly stopped, then you come. There were no major breaks between when one stopped and the other started. Plus you got real defensive when I called you out on it, so it is obvious I struck a nerve because you didn't like the fact I pointed it out.

The only reason you are ignoring the other part is because you realized I am right and can't admit it, or you just lack the intelligence to understand the basic concept.
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Shahbaht might be how it is pronounced, but the correct term is Shabbat. Shabbat by definition is lit, end, cease, rest. It is also called The Jewish Sabbath, a day of rest and spiritual enrichment.

What you fail to realize is that although Jesus was a Jew, Christianity was formed and based off of the teachings of Jesus, not the practices of the Jews. So just because the Jews could have practiced the Sabbath on Saturday (which you have yet to provide anything other than your word that it is) that doesn't mean Christianity is suppose to. Much of Christianity is building a personal relationship with God, which is what God originally intended for us in the beginning. I haven't seen anything yet by you to show me I am wrong in that God would be fine with people starting and ending the week on any days name we choose. Work 6 rest on the 7th, that is the only thing that is important.
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The name of the day is not irrelevant. It is the basis of this whole discussion. You are just butthurt because you can't accept the fact that someone else has made a point. The Bible never states what day is what exactly, and it never states that the sabbath is the same set day for everyone. Tradition made it one set day, but that is it. God only said work 6 rest on 7th.
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How it is pronounced is irrelevant. And why are you now starting to put it in quotes? Because you realized you have been caught for not knowing what the real word is, so putting it in quotes now makes it look like you are only doing thhe pronunciation? You do realize that Jews were not the first religion to follow God, and that when He stated the Sabbath in the 7th day it was before there were Jews. Did you know that in the Jewish calendar they add and subtact days from the week to keep holidays and the sabbath at certain times? And to state that what is wrong with Christians is when we practice the Sabbath, you are just being a f**king retard now. Good bye, go play in the street or something, because we really don't need your kind here.
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Actually it is not as simple as that. The betrayal of Jesus happened on the day of Passover, it wasn't called Good Friday at that point. The same group of Christians that you despise for changing the day of the sabbath also set the days for Christmas, Passover, and Easter as for when we are to recognize those events. So once again, there is no mentioning of the names of the days of the week in the Bible, which means you still have no evidence to state what day is actually the 1st and the 7th.
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Jews have the same lineage all the way back to to Adam and Eve. Both parents were Hebrew before and after Abraham. As for "Islam" if you mean Ishmael he was half Hebrew on Abrahams side which is not recognized as Jewish because his mother was not Hebrew. The Sabbath was set thousands of years prior to Christianity on an infinite Jewish/Hebrew calendar. Try again, you failed.
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Again, the name of the day is irrelevant. The time of recognition was established and recognized by Jews and Jesus himself and a calendar was established which translated into the modern words of Monday, etc. The closest observance of a real Christian are Messianic Jews. Who are you or any other "Christian" to change what day is recognized by your supposed God? You are following Catholic rules not Jesus. I don't "despise" Christians. That's your assumption. After many years of being a "Christian" I educated myself in Judaism and Christianity other than just the written words. I was a follower just like them until I actually learned the truth. Modern day Christianity is a self serving farce that completely ignores the Torah. Something Jesus NEVER intended nor instructed...
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I am done with you. I have had this feeling that you are another user that I have been "debating" with, and you just confirmed it. I should have known that when one account suddenly stopped responding and this one started that you are one and the same. With neither account are you willing to provide evidence for your claims because you know there is none. Goodbye retard. Go harass someone else now with your multiple accounts.
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Hebrews and Jews different groups? Are you not the same people as your mother and father? Same genetic line of people through Noah and Shem. "Noah blessed Shem above his brothers (Genesis 9:26–27), and it was through Shem that the promised seed destined to crush Satan came (Genesis 3:15). That seed is traced back to Adam’s son Seth (Genesis 5:1–32), through Shem, and on to Abraham, Judah, and David, leading all the way to Christ (Luke 3:36).

I'm done and your a complete ignorant moron.
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Jews and Hebrews have the same lineage at the point of Abraham, not Noah. They so share the same lineage as Islam. What I was saying by different groups is that they are not one and the same like you were trying to claim. The fact still remains, Hebrews and Jews were not the first religions, because if they share the same lineage genetically, then they also share the same lineage spiritually. So before Hebrews and Jews, and the other 10, there was 1 base religion. This base religion started with Adam and went all the way to Abraham. It is through Abraham's decendants that these 12 different religions were born. So what was that first religion called? Actually that doesn't matter for this discussion because the discussion was on the 7th day and what day of the week it is suppose to be. The 7th day was commanded to be the sabbath before Abraham, which means it isn't defined by the Jews originally. So where in the first chapters of Genesis is the 7th day defined? It isn't other than being the last day. **drops mic**
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Jew was not mentioned in the Bible until 2 Kings. So are you trying to state that Adam, Noah, and Abraham were all Jews but they convinently left that out of the Bible?
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I'm the stupid one? Hebrews and Jews are 2 different groups and did not come into existance until after Abraham. Time for you to do some more research asshole.
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Don't need to find it... it's not there. Just like the logic in your argument is not there.

Nowhere does it say the sabbath is Sunday. Christians don't observe the Sabbath because the church is not Israel. We observe the Lord's Day (Sunday) as the apostles did and is demonstrated in Scripture. Now some denominations do get this wrong, but there is nothing in the Bible to support it. Likewise, there is nothing in the Bible to support what you're saying either.
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The Saturday Sabbath and Hebrew holidays were practiced for thousands of years prior to cherry pickers changing it with no instruction by Jesus to do so. You're wrong and a typical sheep to follow a cult of stupidity.
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You need a refund on that horrible "education" you claim you got. I'll stick with the Bible.
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Show me in the New Testament where Jesus said holidays are not to be observed and the Sabbath is Sunday? You can't. It's not there and you're ignorant of the REAL Christian religion. Even the Disciples followed Jewish tradition after Jesus's death.
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Show me where *I* said the Sabbath is Sunday. Never did. I said it was Saturday. But Jewish, not Christian.
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Nothing more can be said other than you're ignorant of true Christianity. What you follow is a branching cult of the original. Really is sad that someone as "Christian" as you wouldn't want to educate themselves in the truth rather than what was shoved down their throat by another cult follower.
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I'm good with the Truth of His Word... I read it for myself and through no one else. Sorry you are too blind to the truth to say everyone who doesn't follow your personal (and wrong) opinion is a cult member. Done with you good day. May you find the truth someday.
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comment..http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Scripture/Torah/Ten_Cmds/Fourth_Cmd/fourth_cmd.html. Learn something for once in your life.
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for the post below. Again, you don't know the truth and never will with your shallow religious experience. You haven't even read all of the scriptures if you only have read the Bible. The Bible was made up of books and assembled by Priests to their liking. That's how far off you are in your education.
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I bet you still think Jesus was born on Dec 25th too. He wasn't. It was early fall during harvest time. It does say that in the New Testament. Try comprehending what you read next time.
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You love strawmen, eh? Never said that either. I got by the Word of God which never makes any indication He was born in December. Makes no sense in context. Congratulations, you got ONE right.
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You have no idea of the truth and just follow the cherry picker idiots. Try some research instead being led like a dumb sheep. You don't have the word of God. You have the word of man and early Catholicism and you follow it like a brainwashed sheep. If you want God's word than read the Torah and original scripture of the New Testament. God's word is Saturday is the holy day to keep. Get an education not a brainwashing.
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I follow no one but God and His Son Jesus Christ through His Word. Not sure what you follow except someone who corrupted you. Why are you so hung up on this anyway? Personal issues?
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To your post below; not hung up on anything and you're not following Christ's word completely. You follow what the cults have separated from the truth but hey, if it works for you. Good luck.
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Learn something. http://www.sabbathtruth.com/sabbath-history/how-the-sabbath-was-changed
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Not useful at all -- Sabbath was never changed to Sunday.
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The holy day is Saturday. Sabbath means "Day of rest". Your ignorance is astounding. Sunday observation is a change by man. It is strictly shown in the Commandments and in Jesus's actions to be Saturday. Sunday is and never was a holy day and what you are practicing goes against God's commandment.
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okie doke.
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You sticking with the New Testament is exactly why you will never be intelligent in realm of religion and Jesus. You're tunnel vision can't be cured. You're brainwashed by the others before you. You're a typical cherry picking sheep.
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66 Books in the Bible... 39 OT and 27 NT... all in harmony. You SHOULD know that.
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As you can see I don't use the "Bible" as my reference. I use real scripture like the Torah and New Testament. The book you read is a cherry picking of Catholic ideals. YOU should know that but you're uneducated in the field.
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"Lord's Day"? What a complete made up hunk of shyt. It's called the "Sabbath" and is one of the Commandments. You just made yourself look even more of idiot than before.
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Obviously you think the Church was here when Christ was. Nope. It didn't start until after He ascended. The commandments summarize the Law of which Christians are not under. At least according to God and the Word. And nice language you have...
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LMAO, Christians are not under the Commandments? I'm done. You're a f'n moron and know absolutely nothing about your religion and how it came to be. I've walked in Israel with scholars during my studies. I would have loved for you to be there then you would at least be able to have an educated Theological discussion.
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