gee, what was I thinking???

You're assuming your arguments about Trump are intelligent. Are they. It's Trump, doost likely they are. However, I have yet to read an intelligent argument for Clinton or Bernie, either.

Not quite sure what you're saying there. But yes, Trump is a fool who is running for president for his own ego, not because he loves his country. I'm no major fan of either Hillary or Bernie but I will vote for whomever emerges from that contest (obviously Clinton short of an impossible miracle) because the need at this point is not to give the nation a great leader but to keep the biggest idiot from office.

Ya, my ham hands got the better of me there.

I'm going to give you unrelated props here: you appear to know your Iron Maiden, at least from your lyrical quotations in your Maiden/8th grader meme.

I actually got to meet Bruce a couple of times when I was a kid. Mutual friend and sport.

Saw them at the Tacoma Dome a couple months ago. Good show. Amazing thing to hear 16,000 people scream in mutual delirious joy when they moved the backdrop for "The Trooper" into place, even before the lights were on or a note was played. Just wish they had played some songs off of "The Final Frontier" or "Dance of Death".

That must have been really good, though.

Perfect!! I always have this problem with the Right, they keep calling me "troll".

But...your name is MyrianWaffleEV. :) I have this bad habit of poking the angry bears on here. I guess it's because I don't care if they poke me back.

UPVOTE! Refreshing.

What's refreshing about it is that once in a very blue moon I can have a good debate with a conservative. I do have to thank Mr. Jingles for that.

Yeah. He's not stupid for sure, or just an ideologue.

I'll speak with those who actually speak and not cast aspersions. There's a few here to the right of me I'll respect. Hell, most of my drinking buddies in college were Republicans.

I used to be solid republican til about 95, gradually maturing to just a bit left of center. :)

I flirted with the GOP back when I was a teenager, before I really knew what they stood for. Then Reagan came along and weaned me off that forever.

The older I get, the worse I think was. War on drugs & trickle caused very very much unfairnes. Horrible.

I think most of my virulent anti-conservatism was birthed in the '80s. But Reagan was just a big, dumb actor who was the front for the movement types who'd been licking their wounds since Goldwater got plastered. There's always been the types around like these imbeciles on imgflip who won't debate gun control but merely keep calling me a 'troll' and then go off and hide. The internet just makes them seem more prevalent.

Ah yes...the old troll accusation.

"...but you're a troll." No reason why, just that I am one. As if simply stating so makes it so. But I guess when your personal and political beliefs are dependent on a simplicity of thought reason would just get in the way.

On either side it can be if their whole existence depends on stubbornly refusing to even look at the issues from a different angle. Many people think black/white by nature, as if looking from other angles was literally evil. I had to learn that myself, having been thoroughly indoctrinated.

Uh, hello. Southern Democratic parties enforcement arm. Here, since you won't read a book, this is from the history channel. Founded in 1866, the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) extended into almost every southern state by 1870 and became a vehicle for white southern resistance to the Republican Party’s Reconstruction-era policies aimed at establishing political and economic equality for blacks. Its members waged an underground campaign of intimidation and violence directed at white and black Republican leaders. Though Congress passed legislation designed to curb Klan terrorism, the organization saw its primary goal–the reestablishment of white supremacy–fulfilled through Democratic victories in state legislatures across the South in the 1870s.

The south was Democrat and the north was Republican during the civil war, I've only typed that about a half-dozen times so far, but the perpetuators of the 'conspiracy' of the KKK were whites fearful of loss of power to blacks, regardless of party affiliation. And it's obvious white southerners now strongly embrace the GOP, this since the civil rights era of the '50s and '60s and the rebellion of the Dixiecrats and the creation of Nixon's southern strategy of appealing to racial prejudices to grow Republican power below the Mason-Dixon line. It's just when I say something negative about the Republican party I keep getting responses about how the KKK were all 'demacrats' as if this proves Obama and the Clintons are behind the race problems of the nation. But hey, I'll at least give you credit for making an intelligent and thought-out argument; you should teach others on-site with similar values the worth of a reasoned debate.

However, what's this with conservatives accusing me of not reading a book? You seen photos of my library? It would be like me stating you don't have genitalia just because I haven't seen you naked.

Many southerners who fought against segregation were Democrats. It was the traditional party of the south during and after the civil war. During this time the party was mostly economically populist and socially conservative - this harkens back to Jefferson's formulation of the Democrats as the party of state's rights, versus the strong central government tendencies of the Federalists of Hamilton and Adams. Senator Strom Thurmond became the 'Dixiecrat' candidate for president in the late '40s - he was a registered Democrat then, switching to Republican during the civil rights era - and as the civil rights cause became more supported by Democrats in the north many southerners sought refuge with the Republicans who where going through a bellwether change themselves, from business supporting/civil rights supporting to economic conservatism/social conservatism. Nixon and his aides figured that if the Republican party appeared to stand up for white hegemony in the south they could gather well-off whites and also grab up poorer whites by appealing to their racial prejudices in a veiled manner. It worked; today the southern states are mostly solid red (GOP), where they were once solid blue. Southern whites feel conservatives are keeping them above the African-American masses and in the meantime those whites are supporting the conservative economic policies of the party when they were once solidly behind the economic populist policies of the Democrats. Ironically Nixon, despite all his paranoid criminalist tendencies, ended up signing the clean air act and making diplomatic overtures to China.

Love your Brian/Ali funeral meme. Did I vote that up? Lemme check...

My course results in nothing if not an ugly crash. Thanks.

Why'd you leave out the Roosevelt appeasement?

Again, Roosevelt was a beast of his times. Democrat, Republican, all politicians hew to whatever way they figure they can garner votes. And the press tended to be tamer then. LBJ was the first who showed courage. A Texan who used the N-word in casual conversation, he was brave enough to go against his own electorate in civil and voting rights acts.

Ya, but that can be an excuse for all of them. Not one I'll accept, but...

It's not right, but it doesn't matter if we accept it since it's already in history. The point is to learn from it.

Bingo

Dude, hide it all you want..they were Democrats through and through. Created by and for a period endorsed by the Democratic party

See my reply to Octavia_Melody below.

Haven't seen the Pinko claims for Hitler, though I don't doubt they exist. The Holocaust deniers are still memeing(unfortunately)
However, it is arguable, since it was written about by the architects that the National Socialist German Workers Party, is s sub branch of socialism.

That's it. The 'socialism' of the Nazis was merely a term for the gathering of the individuals of society around the state to give it power - the staves bound around the ax head of the fascii symbol. The corporatism of the state, making the German nation powerful again by making all elements of society to do its bidding. There's nothing Marxist about Hitler's philosophy. But when people wish to besmirch my centrist liberalism I get 'reminded' of how Adolf was a socialist.

There isn't anything inherently Marxist about socialism, either. He just coined the phrases politicians and economists use....I.e. Socialism is feudalism with tractors..K. Marx

True, socialism existed before Karl Marx, as did communism. He wrote the Communist Manifesto as a propaganda piece, a call to arms for an already existing movement. Hitler despised and ranted about communism and socialism. He was a conservative nationalist who sought to gather German society around his new world order of fascism ruled from Berlin. Successfully, until the liberal democracies beat him back.

Who said they were embittered young white guys.