It may not get featured, but Christ's whole mission was to be sacrificed for us.

It can seem strange that Judas would be punished for something God knew in advance would happen.

But the trouble with the phrase "God's will" is that it can be used in (at least) two different senses:

1. God's eternal plan for how the universe will unfold

2. God's righteous commands and rules for us to live by

Judas broke the second of those, because you shouldn't betray people and hand them over to death when they are innocent. He was liable to God's righteous judgment for that, even though he didn't violate God's will in the first sense (no one can break God's will in the first sense).

So Judas sinned by betraying the Messiah, even though that very sin was one of the means God used to bring about the Messiah's sacrifice for all the world.

Sorry for the long comment. I've upvoted your meme anyway, even though I think we're on different sides of this issue.

There are many ways to look at it. The key is to remember not to get upset when people share different views - as Socrates handled it. However, when it comes to gaining support for something. . .

I echo DrSarcasm's sentiment here. Very well-said, socrates.

My assertion is simply that God's will supersedes man's will. Judas honestly had no choice in the issue. God's plan had to be fulfilled.

"Woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed. It would have been good for that man if he had not been born." The foreknowledge of God does not supercede the intents and willful actions of evil people.

How then would the sacrifice have been made? Someone HAD to betray Christ. If you say God has no control over man's will, then God is not all-powerful.

that is were our free will gets us in trouble

God is no marionette ....manipulating people on a string. If He is then everything is just a head game. It's all about relationship.

My comment wasn't about the issue of whether God's will supersedes man's will or not - I agree with you on that.

I commented because the bottom caption of your meme implies that you believe God is not righteous to punish those who transgress his revealed will.

I believe God is righteous to punish people who go against his revealed will, even though by going against his will in that sense, they are fulfilling his will in another sense (the sense of his eternal and infallible plan).

Judas didn't violate God's eternal plan. However, he did violate God's commands, and therefore deserved God's righteous punishment. I hope that helps make it clearer where I'm coming from.

All I could think: imgflip.com/i/12w7gj

Which btw... I can't figure out how to Meme comments that are not using the top templates. Once I get past the last one and click "View all meme templates" It makes me create a new meme and submits it under my images but not as a comment. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

The way I do it is to click "Upload Image" instead - then it works fine for me.

Some people say that doesn't work for them. What they do is pick a popular template that's roughly the same size, then use the "Add Image" button at the top of the meme to insert an image into it, and then stretch it out over the whole template.

That stinks. I've done that before, but that means I have to download any featured templates I want to use that aren't in the most popular. :/ It seems like a workaround.

Luke 22:3 judus was possed by Satan

... handed over to Satan by God for the fulfillment of Christ's mission.