They’re all in serious need of help

can everyone f**king STOP? lets just agree to f**king disagree. everyone's an asshole. we are F**KING EQUAL. shut up and eat your damn meme. im gonna celebrate skypainting early. dear galvana, i swear

everyone except gigantosaurus and m.i.g.

mb bro

its aight

I laughed WAY to hard at this template😭✌️

you should see my version of the template

It’s not even me dawg it’s some random

You need help instead.

Explain what is wrong with being gay.

It separates you from god.

How is loving your fellow man to the letter separating you from the man upstairs

Easily the stupidest question on this site

You just want to deflect the question.now tell me.how is loving thy neighbour against god

Now, when Jesus said love thy neighbor, he meant as a friend. That's the first mistake I see here. Also, quoting Leviticus 18:22;
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."

That only condemns, but does not say to spread hate. Yes, it's against Scripture, but where is a text from either patristic teaching or the Bible say to spread hate? Nowhere.

The f**k did you delete that last one for also
Tell me how this isn't just hate.

Ok. Even Jesus' disciples condemned homosexuality. Jude 1:7 states that "just as Sodom and Gomor′rah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire." Those two cities were also engaged in homosexuality. The Epistles make clear note of this. These were people who learned directly from Jesus' words, so I don't see how they would go against Jesus' word if he was indeed talking about homosexuality.

It took you that long?also apparently nobody is above god and I'm fairly sure Jesus is the son

Yes, I do accept the fact that God loves everyone, but that was never the point. It was whether homosexual acts are evil. Are they? Yes. Also, how does Galatians 5:22 fit into the argument? It only lists the parts of the Holy Spirit, nothing to do with homosexuality. I want to see passages saying that homosexuality is approved by him, which you haven't shown.

Also apparently those other leviticus quotes(the ones that call it an abomination) were mistranslated.

How i define hate is that you express contempt. Sure, this does express hate, but does Scripture not also say in Psalm 97:10, "The Lord loves those who hate evil?" As of now, Leviticus condemns homosexuality as evil, and Psalm 97:10 says that the Lord loves those who express contempt for evil. I need no further explanation.

Like I said, Leviticus does not spread hate. And for the love of it, how many times do I have to tell you that Jesus meant as friends with that statement?

Prove he did.jesus is all loving,so he'd likely mean all versions of the word'love'.

He is all loving to those who trust in him, and as Isaiah 45:22 says, "Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other." Those who turn away aren't saved, and homosexuality is clearly defined as turning away from God, explicitly condemned. Also, if Leviticus was meant to spread hate, wouldn't that be contradictory? I could list several quotes arguing against it, while all I see from you is that Jesus said to love one another, without providing any texts to back up your claim that Jesus also meant homosexuality.

AND THERES NO PROOF TO SUGGEST HE DIDNT MEAN EVERYONE IN THAT STATEMENT.

Ok, I see now. When you made your claim that it applied to everyone, were you claiming that he approved homosexuality or just to not be homophobic?

Approved homosexuality

Well first of all, can you provide evidence that Jesus' statement to "love one another" refers to approving homosexuality?

You see what I mean??

Can you provide evidence to the contrary?

I will. Jesus' full sentence was "Love one another as I have loved you." Look at the part where it says as I have loved you. With your logic, that means Jesus is gay. However, there is nothing, absolutely nothing that suggested Jesus is gay. The way Jesus intended it in this context is as a friend, not homosexually.

K well what about 'love thy neighbour'

Now let's see your evidence.

Let's see,he healed, defended and ate with marginalised groups(so he clearly was radical).obviously if he were around today he would do that kinda stuff with gay people

You keep bringing up the fact of "love thy neighbour." I don't see anything that approves of homosexuality in this. Paul writes in the Epistles that to love one another is to look after them like a friend, but not sexually. Like I've already said, the Bible explicitly condemns homosexuality, and "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered"(CCC 2357).

Yes, Jesus would dine with homosexuals nowadays, but based on his teachings, it would out of compassion and hope that their ways would change, not because he supported them.

ORDER ORDER
Final verdict:
LGBTQ is ok and anyone who thinks otherwise should go to jail
Also I am Christian and lgbtq so I am bipartial in this argument.
Pride month should be celebrated along with Men’s mental health month

Dawg when did ONYX ‘join this 😭✌️

Onyx is wrong in the eyes of both sides of this argument

Just accept that Jesus and god love everyone and thus wouldn't think that gay people should change because they arent hurting anyone(except your feelings) and also here have galatians 5:22 ​"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law."

Just to be clear, which statement are you suggesting has no proof? From what I'm seeing, you're being general in your statements.

Nah he’s just offline
But like damn

The claim you made that he was being specific with love one another

What source does it say Leviticus was mistranslated? I genuinely want to see this source.

Can we just agree to disagree this has gone on for days

ykw sure i'm getting tired of this too. Have a good day. I just hope that the holy spirit will work through them.

What about Docking? That's only something men can do with men, so it's not remotely anything like how they lie with women.

Here's where I see a misunderstanding of the bible quote, so I'm gonna have to explain Church teaching:

Our sexual organs are meant for procreative purposes.
Anything else they are used for is contradictory to the purpose made for them, and is a sin.

So when Leviticus 18:22 mentions "as with woman," it means that when man lies with woman, it is for procreative purposes only, or to have child. Docking, is still under the definition of lying with a male or of the same sex. And since it does not result in procreative purposes, it is a sin, and thus, "abomination."

I'm pretty sure that was Jewish law actually. Most Christians don't think that applies.

Either way, your comment has no evidence to back it up. You can only prove that it's Jewish law. But Jewish law allowed lesbians. So.....

Well, idk as I'm from the Catholic side of this, and from what I was taught, "tradition has always declared that 'homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.' They are contrary to the natural law"(CCC 2357), homosexual acts between man and man or woman and woman.

Your specific sect has issues with pedophilia, and personally, they're probably just trying to deflect. Jewish law prohibits ANY ejaculation outside of a fertile va**na. It seems like the Catholics made up extra context to keep getting head.

the pedophilia issues are valid, but I believe that just because some shepherds of the Church were predators, not all of them are bad.

Problem isn't ejaculation. It's whether homosexual acts are justified under the Bible. Very clearly, it is forbidden.

Also uranium
Since this guy is talking about Jewish laws
Let’s bring this up:
Male homose*uality is forbidden as well.

But which ones? like I said, this scripture very explicitly allows lesbians and Docking.

When were we talking about Jewish laws bro ✌️
When the Bible says love thy neighbor, it means platonically.
And what do you mean? The evidence is right there

Well, it's the context of the Scripture. Everyone except for Paul followed Jewish Law.

Also, do you know what else is forbidden in Jewish law?
Male homosexuality.

Yeah. And oral and masterbation and foot jobs and anal. Sissoring and cunniligus are ok.

Look kid
Being LGBTQ is separating from god, and that’s not ok.

is there even one actively EXISTING? i am tired of my notifications bombing me so i am crashing out for the second time. it is NOT fully proven that there is even a GOD. istg everyone just shut the f**k up and let people exist without saying "oooo the concept of you is slightly annoying god" every 2 SECONDS. the universe? probably some butterfly effect SHIT that happened to be created. just shhhh. everyone. including you. and giganotosaurus. shove a live piranha up your ass (please don't actually do that).

The Bible never says that. Pull up one scripture that condemned sissoring or docking.

Can you show me text from Jewish law permitting lesbians and docking?

Docking isn't permitted by Jewish law, but all rules are allowed to be broken if they cause significant emotional distress. My source is my Jewish friends.

Lesbianism is permitted under Jewish law because the Torah doesn't mention it, and women are allowed unregulated orgasms.

Can you elaborate a little bit more on your first point? I don't see how the Torah can be broken in distress connects with docking.

I understand your reasoning behind it, but I find a flaw in the reasoning behind lesbianism. I did mention earlier about sexual organs for procreative purposes, and you returned with saying that was Jewish law. However, that contradicts the idea of unregulated orgasms, as they are essentially caused by using sexual organs not for procreative purposes.

No, the law is against "spilling seed". The act of sex for pleasure is a woman's right actually. She's allowed to divorce her husband for not having sex.

Men are just restricted on ejaculation. They're also technically allowed to do whatever sexual actions they want provided they don't ejaculate.

It's also important to know that this law probably had a scientific reason behind it that's no longer relevant today.

Anal of any type is prone to spreading std's. Condoms back then were very primitive. Va**nas are antibacterial and healthier.

However we have sterile condoms and prep today in modern times. It's safe to have anal. And of course docking has always been safe for that reason.

You bring up a very good point, but I think we're straying a bit too far from the topic; is docking allowed with Christian values. Also, when they say "lie with male as with a woman," it means in any sexual way, no exceptions.

No it doesn't. The context here is that all people followed Jewish law. So there's only two feasible interpretations, 1.) it refers to Jewish law. 2.) It is literal.

If God meant all male on male sexual relations were bad, he'd say men shall not lie with men. No caveat. But this CLEARLY has a caveat.

I'm pretty sure people didn't do docking back in the day when Mosaic Law was written, but I may be wrong.

Yes, we are meant to take that literally. However, that's not a caveat. It merely confirms that man and woman are the union that God wants, not man and man.

No. That's literally not what it says.

Can you show me how it's not?

Yes. Take this example, "Don't take bubblegum with aspartame."

Do you you see the grammer structure? It's imperative so the subject is YOU. Verb is TAKE with the qualifier DON'T and the object is BUBBLEGUM with an adjective phrase WITH ASPARTAME.

In your reasoning, this structure would mean that you can't take ANY bubblegum, but the adjective phrase acts as a caveat describing specifically which bubblegum not to take.

Leviticus 18:22 is a blanket statement covering all same-sex acts, including docking. The idea of "as with woman" being a caveat as it describe the prohibited act of same-sex activity. The verse forbids male lying with male in the way one lies with woman, so it's not limited to one technique.

No. That's a very specific technique. I just don't think you understand how diverse sex is. There's an entire orientation of gay man that is entirely devoid of all types of intercourse.

There's also a designation for lesbians that don't receive any pleasure themselves.

There's also a subcategory of all gay identities that don't participate in any sexual arousal.

I know that there are homosexual people who are chaste, and that's allowed, even encouraged. The problem isn't how they identify, it's how they act. Their sexual acts must be for the purpose of procreation, and if not, that's a sin. Leviticus deals with these kinds of sexual acts, not the person itself. And even if it is a specific technique, like I said, it's a blanket statement.

You have yet to give a scripture that says "all sexual acts".

it means love platonically genius

thank you

Don't you lecture me with your vanilla ass followed streams

stfu vro💔, son larping the bible on a pubic server

THE F**K IS THIS IMAGE FOR

1. Bible says a man shall not lie with a man as a woman shall not with a woman
2. It’s so bad it’s punishable by death in 12 countries
3. Leviticus mentions that it is an abomination to do so
Enough proof?

1.laws are irrelevant when in ohio its illegal to dye rabbits(cruel, yes, but who actually is doing that)
2.'love one another'-Jesus
3.'love thy neighbour'-the 10 commandments
4.those 2 leviticus phrases were extremely obviously written to spread hate(a sin) and my god did it work considering this debate we're having

The 2 verses of Leviticus don’t spread hate but forbid same-s*x stuff

'Homosexuality is ab abomination to god almighty' it's so on the nose oml

Omd bro
There’s genuinely no hope for you

Tell me how it wasn't written for homophobic(not holy) reasons

First of all: it only forbids acts, not behavior, and you’re defending homos*xual acts
Second: there was practically no sense of homophobia at the time of it being written
Now can you just accept that men’s mental health matters as well

You don't have to censor the word sex.
Also I do care about us men's mental health,we do matter.and if that's the case,then gay men also actually matter too,and aren't doing evil stuff by loving their fellow man.
'No sense of homophobia at the time'people weren't called out for racism in the 1600s but racism was still a thing.

How the hell does Ohio fit into this debate?

I was using that as an example,considering ohio is part of the usa(a Christian country)

Changing the subject from alleged homophobia to racism 💔
Just end this already

I'm using examples.like I did with ohio.

Which is exactly why your argument makes no sense?

I'm using examples so your tiny peanut brain can understand what I'm trying to say.

“Tiny peanut brain”
Way to explain yourself

Actually come up with an insult that isn't just
'Youre the one to talk'

You don’t have any original insults either big guy

You better not be talking you msmg following homophobic asshole.

I’m not even homophobic???
I’m just saying men’s mental health matters as well and you accuse me of homophobia gng

Because you keep defending these statements calling gay people abominations.

And when did following the MSMG matter:

I insulted you.i thought you didn't want me to insult you.

IT’S NOT EVEN ME IT’S LEVITICUS

And you are defending his statements.

Better idea for you:
Grab a Bible
Read verses
Understand the gospel
Spread it
And have FAITH in god instead of this

Oh now you're trying to convert me to christianity here we F**KING GO.

BECAUSE YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY BE BRAINDEAD 🥀

OK SO YOURE TELLING ME TO CONVERT TO THIS RELIGION THAT ACCORDING TO YOU CLASHES WITH MY MORAL VIEWS

Now how did I say that bro
Just ACCEPT ‘the fact that we’ve won this argument you should’ve wrapped up THIRTY COMMENTS AGO

MAYBE IF YOU LET THIS COMMENT BE A ONE-OFF, AS I INTENDED IT TO BE AT FIRST,WE WOULDNT HAVE GOTTEN TO HERE ANYWAY.

OK AND WHO WAS THE FIRST TO WHINE ON THIS SITE GOING'MY FEELINGS GOT HURT BY GAY PEOPLE EXISTING IM GONNA GO SCREAM INTO THE PHUCKING VOID'

Never did that, pal 🙂

Are we on the same post

Also who keeps upvoting ts
Probably an alt or random

I dont even know how to make alts I literally made a post asking how to make one

Can a person not closely follow an argument they keep getting notifications about?

You just make another email and user and pass

K

Brother tell me where in the 10 commandments does it say to love thy neighbor like in an ACTUAL relationship

Brother tell be where in the 10 commandments does it say to have hate(a sin) for a certain demographic as well

Is Leviticus part of the 10 commandments?
It doesn’t spread hate btw, only forbidding it

I didnt say it was in there,I was regurgitating your statement like a bird feeding its offspring
Also wdym by that last statement

yeah

That’s not a reason to spread hate to them, though

Wasn’t even hate

Well, your original statements can look so. Also, what’s with the image?

NOTHING