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Just because socialism is bad doesn't mean unfettered capitalism isn't without its flaws

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Of course things are going to get more expensive. We live in a planet with limited resources, each second that passes there is less and less. You also have supply and demand rule, and having larger population will increase prices. There is no such thing as a "basic cost of living" that term is ridiculous, individuals can live in all sort of different incomes, they can move to a different state with lower cost of living or with a job opportunity that matches their skill, they can also learn new skill sets to increase the demand for that individual's services and market value. All available thanks to capitalism. NEVER through socialism. Under socialism everyone is poor except for the high ranking government officials. Cheers!
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I don't want socialism where everyone is equally poor and has what they can and can't have be determined by a higher authority, that's my biggest critique of Marxism. A higher authority is not a good way of determining what you need to he satisfied in life because only you can know what you need to be satisfied in life everyone has different needs therefore a higher authority is not what is needed to determine that. I am just saying people unable to improve their lifestyles as they see fit is a thing under capitalist economies too and that is sometimes something caused by the bad economic policies of politicians and sometimes caused by nothing to do with government but factors in the private sector that deny people such opportunities they need such as corporations outsourcing jobs to foreign countries for cheap labor. I address these issues and get strawmanned and condenseded to by very arrogant bad faith people who arrogantly like to talk to me like I literally want communist tyranny when that is not the case and I am actually pro-FREEDOM. I just don't want people to be denied their freedom by private sector factors any more than I want it denied by government. You claim to be pro freedom but when corporate private sector elites monger a high concentration of power and wealth and use that power to deny people their freedom and opportunities and people don't like, you make extremely bad faith strawman arguments and push the outright LIE that they want communism as if you are ok with private sector tyrants doing the very same bad things that government does. You can choose to have a nuanced view and listen to legitimate issues that other people address instead of making a bunch of bad faith strawman arguments like some loutish person. I would criticize the left for being uncivil and making a bunch of bad faith strawman arguments against people they disagree with but many on the right have proved to be just as bad faith as the left.
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You do not have a choice about it. Look Garnet, I came from a socialist country. I h ad 100% free Healthcare, 100% free education. In my country you have doctors driving taxis to survive. It is all a lie, I agree with a lot of the things you post and upvote a large number of your memes, but when you talk about things you do not have any personal experience and clearly no knowledge about, I am compelled but to guide you to the light and get you down from that cloud. Depending on goverment is NEVER good, and you know this. Quit your beef against libertarians and capitalism. You got the wrong target. Cheers!
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Did you come from Cuba? That country is obviously a shitty place to live in and I would never want to even go to such a shitty place for a vacation. You are again having a bad faith view instead of having a nuanced view and refusing to listen to what I am actually saying. This is not about being dependent on government, this is about addressing things that private sector factors do that are just as bad as government but you completely miss that point and strawman me because you never learned to actually listen to what people have to say and have a way too binary viewpoint of thinking people are either extremist libertarian ancaps like you or extreme Stalinist communists. Just because I address issues in the private sector where people are badly screwed doesn't mean I want evil totalitarian government ruling over people. And I AM speaking from personal experience, I was badly screwed by lots of people I worked for and lots of landlords screwed me blind and tried to evict me at whim when I was never in rent arrears and their bullshit egregiously disrupted my work. Just because something happened to me and you never experienced it doesn't mean it's not something that happened to another person and should be dismissed as nothing like it's not a legitimate issue that affects people as much as things that happened to you. And when I would address such issues that clearly are issues, libertarian trolls would act just as retarded as any leftists I debated. One time I addressed fishermen in Thailand being left unpaid by Purina and an extremely depraved libertarian I used to be "friends" spewed venom and vitriol at me and literally sided with the corrupt corporation that refused to pay the local fishermen as if the hard working local fishermen who are only trying to feed their families are the "villains" and he literally argued that the fishermen brought it on themselves "freedom of contract" as if they knew Purina would screw them and as if Purnia wouldn't commit breach of contract. The next thing you know, he is gonna argue that those girls who were exploited by Jeffrey Epstein had "freedom of contract" and were never victims. You are not "guilding" anyone you are just being an extremely self-righteous prick and arrogantly refusing to what other people have to say and arrogantly dismissing what happened to other people and you wonder why I can't stand libertarians. You need to learn not everything is socialism vs capitalism or left vs right.
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Socialism turns every place into a shitty place. Yes, I came from Cuba. But if my personal experience means nothing to you. Ask someone from Venezuela. But tell me about YOUR personal experience, I want to hear it within the context of living under socialism, which by the way, USA already has many socialist benefits already available. So you had a bad experience, sorry about that, glad you are over it, but you having a bad experience why do you want to force it to everyone in the country? Libertarians like me and Ayn Rand are here to warn people about the outcome of socialism and big government. Because you will get screwed just as everyone else. So, if you have a job you are getting screwed, in capitalism you will simply look for a new job, I did that, I started a new job a year and a half ago. That is what anyone with some logic would do. Under socialism, you are stuck with the job you are given, you do not have a choice. The context here is you pushing for socialism and against capitalism and targeting libertarians. Also, how is your faith in God?
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You are again strawmanning me, proving just how bad faith and narrow minded you are and let me get it through your dense skull. I AM NOT PUSHING FOR SOCIALISM AND AGAINST CAPITALISM. NOT EVERYTHING IS SOCIALISM VS CAPITALISM OR LEFT VS RIGHT.

JUST BECAUSE I ADDRESS ISSUES THAT HAPPEN TO ME THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH SOCIALISM AND GOVERNMENT AND BIGGER ISSUES IN THE SYSTEM DOESN'T MEAN I THINK SOCIALISM AND TOTAL GOVERNMENT CONTROL IS ANY SORT OF ANSWER. I JUST WANT A CAPITALIST SYSTEM WITH BASIC CHECKS AND BALANCES INCLUDING BASIC LAW AND ORDER TO PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF THE WORKER AND THE CONSUMER AND YOU KNOW VERY WELL THAT IS NOT THE SAME THING AS MARXIST TOTALITARIAN GOVERNMENT SOCIALISM.

COUNTRIES I RENOWN FOR SUCH POLICIES ARE SWITZERLAND, NORWAY, DENMARK AND FINLAND. IN FACT FINLAND LEFT THE TOTALITARIAN USSR TO BECOME ITS OWN FREE NATION.

I DO NOT DISMISS THE SUFFERING OF PEOPLE FROM COUNTRIES LIKE CUBA AND VENEZUELA OR DEEM THEM "CIA puppets" AND YOU SHOULD NOT DISMISS WHAT HAPPENED TO ME ALL BECAUSE IT DID NOT HAPPEN TO YOU AND FALSELY ACCUSE ME OF WANTING SOCIALISM AND TOTALITARIAN GOVERNMENT CONTROL.

And I have perfectly good faith in God and I don't listen to the ramblings of Ayn Rsnd, an atheist who hated God, supported abortion and was endorsed by Anton LeVay, the founder of the church of Satan and even described his religion as Ayn Rand's philosophy but with ritual.
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Ah there is the Switzerland, Denmark, Norway and Finland. A lot of people here like to throw those countries names around here to compare their system to what they would like United States to be. What they do notnunderstand is that their system would not work. It all boils down to immigration. You can start looking at their legal citizenship process and you then can easily understand when I tell people "well move there, what are you waiting for" then they realize it is not as they tought. Now, it is also like comparing oranges to apples, look at the mess we have in USA with illegal immigration because we are soft in our illegal immigrant policies, now look at those countries illegal immigration policies. So you can sum it up that USA can't be like those countries because we are bombarded with illegal immigration costing us billions a year that prevents us to have what they have.
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Well I suppose you're right there. Countries like Denmark, Switzerland and Japan are much stricter on immigration and don't let illegal immigrants flow in droves and it's nor feasible to take care of both loads of illegal immigrants and legal born citizens. But too many illegal immigrants aren't the only problem in America, another problem is corrupt politicians who refuse to even take care of the country's own people. The politicians of the aforementioned countries are not like the Democrats who let illegal immigrants flow in droves but they also aren't like the Republicans who disregard the needs of the people in favor of corrupt corporate lobbyists.
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Also here is another question, Bloomberg which is obviously a big corporate outlet is literally suggesting you give up your possessions including your car and even letting your dog die of cancer. Bloomberg basically suggested putting people through abject conditions similar Venezuelan socialism all in the name of combating inflation under capitalism. I don't like Venezuela's extreme inflation of making basic living costs such as toilet paper unaffordable as f**k and making the economy so shitty people can't own things. And I don't like it when capitalists in America like Bloomberg try to have such a shitty thing inflicted on us. Does that make me a communist who wants government control just because I'm criticizing a private American corporation? No quite the opposite, I am for FREEDOM and I don't like it when corporations try to take away our freedom in a way similar to socialist governments doing it and in some cases our freedom being taken away from us has nothing to do with socialism or big government. Again, you can try having a nuanced view like someone with proper functioning brain and basic comprehension skills instead of a biased bad faith strawmanning partisan mindset like a right-wing NPC.
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BTW, I asked about your faith because I believe in the power of prayer and God's ability to bless you. I was blessed that when things were bad in my job and they got really bad, I prayed about it and the people in my prayer group also prayed for me and in one month I was blessed with a much better job which I am loving. Same went for my wife, and now she just got a job at a better place. That is the other thing I can advice from personal experience, do not trust me, but you can always trust God.
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