"What makes a man?" other than just being one, was once an aspirational question with its ups and downs

Awwww they saved the shark 🥹 He can be back with his family now, if you couldn’t tell, I love sharks

sexism on my racist app again

Ehh what? Which sex is attacked here? Men?

eh yeah men
stereotypes are bad

Not if they're good, noble and inspires courage. Just like it's good for a strong man to have some brains, it's good for a brainy man to have some trust in what his body can produce. It helps with general insecurities too. Notice how I'm not advertising a body type

men aren't noble, good, and don't inspire courage. some PEOPLE(notice not only men) do, others don't.
the idea that all men are filled with positive masculine qualities is not true

Positive stereotypes were never a generalization, but an aspiration. If you can't be part of a group of men who saves a shark, you can sit back and admire them just like times where everything wasn't about you all the time.
This situation is particularly gendered cus the same group of women with the same borderline self destructive courage, wouldn't be able to do the task, and these guys aren't even overwhelmingly tough to look at. But you can boo that fact and think it's a criticism even though it's just reality hand the fact tat something is gendered, doesn't equal competition.
The more you think men and women are (or could be) the same, the more anger you feel when they aren't. You get defeated and nihilistic and basically ruin your mental spirit in hopelessness. I've been exactly there in my teens and twenties - extremely idealistic and bitter

Not every male aspires to have stereotypically masculine traits. Of course I admire the men saving the shark.

"Positive stereotypes were never a generalization, but an aspiration."
really? if a guy aspires to be noble, smart, and strong, he should aspire to have those qualities because they are good, healthy qualities - not because he feels like he has to because he is male.

"This situation is particularly gendered cus the same group of women with the same borderline self destructive courage, wouldn't be able to do the task..."
ok but also no. sure women are usually weaker than men but that fact doesn't make the shark-saving a gendered situation.

"The more you think men and women are (or could be) the same, the more anger you feel when they aren't."
1) Men and women are different. that's a fact. generally, they have a lot of differences. but they also have a lot more similarities. their differences should not make them feel entirely exclusive. men can and will have feminine qualities, while women can and will have masculine qualities.
2) I'm not mad about it.

"You get defeated and nihilistic and basically ruin your mental spirit in hopelessness."
alright idk about you but this conversation isn't bothering me nearly that much. I'm barely emotionally invested in it at all, actually.

mainly what I meant to say was that the meme would've been just fine if it was just "watch these brave guys save this shark" instead of making the situation about "men"..

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sorry for the yap.

The noble, smart, and strong stereotype works with this gendered situation. Some gendered situations suck tits, so we give it an ism. It's rare for me to see a so gendered situation, so it was special to me. That's the twist I wanted to add to the vid. Finally men being men instead of toxic - an act only men can perform (not that I ever look for that). There's situations where you'll prefer a group of women to handle it - for this I'm happy it was a group of guys

ah, there's the sexism. so I was right, all along.
Correction: Women can be just as toxic as men(and they are).

also, "Finally men being men instead of toxic..."
You make it sound like men are rarely "men" but often "toxic".
So, if anything, according to your statement, it is more manly to be toxic to than to be a man.

here's what I'm trying to say:
By saving the shark, the group of guys are saving a shark.
They are not "being men" by saving the shark.
The situation is about some guys(who are individuals) saving a shark, not about "men."

(also I'm a bit confused about the sucking tits thing?)

I guess there's nothing left to understand. But good luck understanding the world with the isms that match any complex situation

'isms?
what does this have to do with isms though?
i personally haven't been using any isms(that I know of?), so idk wym

Just like your first comment. You know, once I felt that these isms meants something. I'm not presented by them often at all, but seeing them being thrown around willy nilly has made me immune....

alright, alright, I admit, it wasn't exactly sexism. I was simply wrong at first.

but then you said "Finally men being men instead of toxic - an act only men can perform" which is some of the most feminist(and sexist) stuff I ever heard from someone who at first didn't seem like a feminist.

(also thanks for indirectly clarifying what you meant by "isms")

and yes the "isms" do mean something.
racism, sexism, etc.
they have meaning.
although I do often see them thrown around willy nilly.

I'm still confused about that thing about sucking tits though.

Sucking tits, like in some stereotypes about men and women aren't good, and some forms of femininity and masculinity are very toxic. A woman's vanity often goes wrong. For men I speculate that the importance of you as a potential soldier, results in a person who's more disagreeable and cold than is good for you and the civilized society. But it's a strange balance, since we need soldiers

I'm so confused-
why does being a soldier have anything to do with this now?
you mean like, some men become disagreeable and cold because the government views them as potential soldiers?

also I personally have never heard any negative stereotypes about men and women that involve sucking tits

I feel inferior to these guys.... rightfully so

These are true men
Reviving the danger in the world
It's enough to make a grown man cry, and that's ok

Yes. The types who do the shitty work. Women are right in being more careful - their general situation demands it, and it's their burden. I will always sympathize with it, even when they don't understand ours. I've managed to explain the male condition to even feminists, and twice they friended me immediately. I guess I managed to talk about it in a technical manner - like a faint memory, cus in my adult life I started getting suiters myself

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