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If You Choose Not to Have God, You Choose to Face Eternal Death in fun
0 ups, 19h
So what is the definition of God? Please let me know in detail so that I know what we are talking about.

The universe is not random? I see you know nothing of quantum physics. Quantum physics says the universe is random, at least at the quantum level, and scientists have proven this time and time again. If you can prove otherwise, I would suggest you author a scientific paper showing this. You will be guaranteed a Nobel Prize. That being said, if there is even a 1 in a googolplex chance that the universe randomly formed exactly this way, it proves that we don't need God to exist, the universe just happened to have to hit the right combo. Heck, we may be part of a multiverse where every possible universe exists, so naturally we would be in the one where life exists.

It may be possible that whatever the non-creator cause of the universe is, it had certain limits that resulted in our universe being "perfect" for life. The issue is that we just don't know, however that doesn't mean that "God did it".

Finally, without proof of a God, miracles are just "magic", since they cannot prove God's existence. Physics, consciousness and morality can all be explained without resorting to "God". I've already discussed how physics do not need a god. Consciousness has been studied for decades and there are some really good theories on how it works, none requiring God. Morality is easily explained through evolution. Being social creatures, we evolved with the ability to make judgements on our actions of what is "good" and what is "bad" in order to create a less chaotic society.

Just because we can't explain everything doesn't mean that God exists. That is called the "God of the Gaps" fallacy.
If You Choose Not to Have God, You Choose to Face Eternal Death in fun
0 ups, 20h
You seem to be using very specialized meanings of words. I don't want to assume that you are using the same definition as me, so please explain what you mean by contingent, dependent, first cause, and sustaining cause.
If You Choose Not to Have God, You Choose to Face Eternal Death in fun
0 ups, 2d
That is terrible logic. First of all, if super advanced aliens created us, it doesn't mean that they are still around. A creator doesn't have to exist after something is created, they only need to exist during it's creation.

As for the super computer, you are judging based on this universe. There could be a universe with an entirely different set of rules that allow a computer to create this universe with a different set of rules. Sort of like how our computers can create Minecraft for Roblox.

And here is where you make your mistake. Why does someone else has to have created this world, why do they have to not have matter or antimatter, and why do they have to exist out of time? The fact that the universe exists and allows for life does not prove that there is a god. We have computer powerful enough now to create a universe and populate it with a form of life. Does that make us gods?
If You Choose Not to Have God, You Choose to Face Eternal Death in fun
0 ups, 2d
So you a claiming that "we are created as a miracle, influenced by a God." Fine, but if you want me (or any atheist) to actually give credence to that claim, you first need to prove there was a miracle and that there is a God, which so far, no one has proven.

The reason why the universe looks like it was made for us, is because this universe so happened to have the right conditions to support life. That does not in any way mean that there is some type of creator. If you were to throw a million toothpicks into the air, there is a chance (albeit a small one), that the toothpicks will form letters that spell a word. If a word does appear, does that mean that some invisible being formed the words or does it mean that you just got lucky and random chance formed the words?
If You Choose Not to Have God, You Choose to Face Eternal Death in fun
0 ups, 2w
I'm going to assume you mean the first law of evolution since the first law of evaluation is about the impact of large scale social programs. If you do mean the first law of evolution, well, there is no such thing. There is no reason why everything must come from something. Science has even shown that particles can randomly pop into existence, even in this universe. Even if it was true that everything must come from something, does not mean that something is God. Just because we don't know, doesn't make God the default answer. And finally, if the universe needs to come from something, why not God? If you say because God's existence is completely beyond creatures like us, then why can't there be something that is not God, completely beyond creatures like us?

And just to let you know, in college I studied religion and science in an attempt to find the answers, and in the end, science offered the best explanation.