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And never mind that the Israelites were there for several thousand years before the Romans deported them... or that the name was changed to Palastine at that time to further alienate them as a people. You keep using nationalist bigotry arguments... buts you seem to have more of these sentiments than I do... you are very Anti Semitic. Your hatred for Jews sort of stands out for all to see.

As I made my point when you criticize Israel, you are an anti semite, so I better stop talking about it and scream about the holocaust as hard as I can.

Native Americans were alone living in the US before Europeans settled. Do you think it is a good idea to force all the Americans out and give land back to native americans? And in their case, today americans are mostly descendants of the aggressors in fact, while in Palestine, Romans forced the Jews out which had nothing to do with Arabs that moved there afterwards, and, to mention, were also living there with Israelites and other semitic people like bedouin as well.

You think it is ok to force millions of people out, kill them and have them living in an apartheid and a contraindication camp with almost no clean water, food and medical supplies, because somebody claimed the land only for himself with the argument that it was his 2 000 years ago (take a small pause at that 2 000 number), and I am a nationalist and a bigot because I think it isn't a normal thing to happen?

And tell me, anti semitic guy, where exactly do you see my hatred for Jews. Quote me. Btw, have you ever heard of Noam Chomsky? Google him, and google Gideon Levy... When you see how 'anti semitic' they are, and when you see that first one is American and the second an Israeli Jew, your mind might blow up.

Anti Semitic? Or Pro Semimite? You have your accusations in a twist. At every turn you are talking out both sides of your mouth. The Israelites were allowed to return in 1947 by the same type of decree that put them out in the first century. So most of your points are mute by that alone. Az for american indians... i agree... Learn Choctaw or Get Out.

Both the Israelites and the others by whatever Tribal name all have claims on the Land. But with the Idea that Israel should not be in her ancestral home is exactly a Racist/Anti-Semitic position not based upon history but upon racial or religious preference and bias.

Idea that Jews should or should not return to the land should have been decided only by the people living on that land already, cause, if you say the Jews can populate it against the local Arabs consent you are being a racist and you're saying that Jews have more right than Arabs. While, my point has nothing to do with race, it a simple immigration politics. Do you think for example, I can decide that the US should be populated with millions of Arabs that want to come there and do that against your will? The fact that Jews lived there 2 000 years ago didn't mean anything to local Arabs there. So, that's not an argument. If they didn't want Jews there and the west wanted to give them some land, they should've given them some land in the US and all settled.

You don't understand a simple irony. I mentioned Chomsky and Gideon Levy to show you how your anti semitism accusation are ridiculous, since both of them basically agree with me on this and both are Jews. And Levy is also Israeli. Israeli leftist agree with me. Palestinians should have their land. A two state solution has to be established. The fact that you don't mind Palestinians to go through this horror and Israelis to do them all this things they do, actually proves you to be a complete racist and a fascist.

Yeah, not to mention that Israelites themselves took the land from Canaanites. So, in fact if we want to follow historical traits, we should find the present day Canaanites and give the land back to them. And we should give half of the Europe back to Italy, cause Rome owned it 2 000 years ago.

True... so with this argument... the palastinians have the right to defend what they took and the Israelites have the right to reclaim their ancestral spoils of war. Mute point.

First, Palestinians took nothing. They moved to the land, that's it. Rome expelled the Jews, not Palestinians. So, you are saying that Jews have the right to force other people of the land they inhabited 2 000 years ago? That is fine with you? I asked you a question, please, can you answer it. Do you think it would be ok for Native Americans now in the US to force all of the descendants of Europeans out?

They Squatted... they took it. Not by victory but by moving in and squatting... again... 1947 it was given back to israel by decree.

British were not in a position to give that decree. They were an empire and didn't care about the locals. If you think Roman expelling of Jews is a crime, than the British decree is also a crime. Whatever it is, now it is how it is. And Israelis should stay there and have their country. But Palestine should be formed as well.

It is not convenient to move the victor out of their holdings... reguardless how much we would like to have seen it. Its a mute point... and the palastinians can learn to live on their reservation... or start to become responsable israeli citizens...

It is doable. Convenient or not, that is not an argument. And again, the fact that you're saying the Palestinians should be fine in their reservation means that you're actually fine with Israelis treating them like animals. Which is, again, racism and fascism. You're not aware how serious these two words are. If you were, you'd question yourself deeply about your attitudes. Some day someone could put you in a reservation with the same arguments you give here.

No.. my people have reservations, and also learned to live with our Conquering oppressors... right or wrong by your view, I was comparing the Palastinians with Native Americans.

If you're native american and think it is fine that other americans pushed you into a reservation, well, that's your own thing. I think it isn't fine. I think you should have the land you want to have. So, it's a crime. It is fascism, you should know that you're justifying that. What Israel does is fascism. And you didn't answer me do you think Israeli nationalists would ever allow Palestinians to be Israeli citizens. Because they wouldn't. They would never allow Israel to be a binational state, because they want a pure Jewish state and they want all the Palestinian territory for themselves. They are fascists that do not allow Palestinians their own land and kill them, terrorise them, ethnically cleanse them. And you're justifying that.

Right... so then we should rise up again with whatever we can use... and kill everyone in West Texas, Ar, Ok, LA, MS, AL and Unite with our Brothers in GA and Florida and then push back North... and what about all the people in between that were born long after the Wars of Conquest? Just kill them or say... Go back to England/Europe ? Doesnt work. We need to accept what we cant change and do what we can to make a better future.

Of course I am not saying you should force everyone out. That's why I say it wasn't ok to force the Palestinians out and it isn't ok to force the Israelis out now. But for example, you could fight for a better land in the US, if you want the land I mean. You should fight for more rights. You should get the land you want, of course if it's not a populated city and something like that. And I am not actually saying it 's a fight you can necessarily win. But morally you should have it. If other americans don't give it to you and don't care about you, you can make peace with it. But it's a crime. It's not justified. It is injustice. It might be unchangeable at this moment, but it is injustice nevertheless.

Cant respond below so ill do it here...
Most of the problems between Palistinians and Israel are solvable only setting current Borders in stone and then working towards Citizen Rights for all people in Israel. LIKE IT OR NOT... the current borders and holdings will not be given up by either side.. and everyone has thousands of years worth of claims... However... I do believe if the foreign meddlers would get out of the picture, there would be a much smoother transition to peace.

I should probably laugh and agree with this... in its absurdety... but the fact is it doesnt work that way in europe... and not anywhere in the middle east either.

I don't understand what would you laugh at. Not sure to which comment are you replaying on. Whatever it is, there are Israelis, Palestinians and others working on a two state solution and an ending to this Palestinian and Jewish suffering there. That is the only right solution of the problem. While for your 'Palestinians should be responsible Israeli citizens'... Do you honestly think Israeli nationalists would allow Israel to become a binational states with Arabs as half of it's population?

LOL!!!!

Never mind all the Palistinian rockets falling... just an over active imagination...

Or the Israeli human rights violations that throw Palestinians in succh a despair that they shoot rockets or stab civilians. Or the fact that Israelis killed 1000 times more Palestinian civilians than vice versa. Or that Israeli crimes are done by army and government orders. That Palestinians in Gaza live under few of the worse conditions on the planet, because of the siege. That west bank is occupied, settlers moved on Palestinian land, and Palestinians are being terrorised, killed, forced of their land by Israeli army and settlers. But it's all because of the rockets off course. Rockets are the main problem, even though, Hamas for example had a long term peace proposal that Israel rejected: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/report-israel-conditions

It's not that Israeli nationalists wanna force the Palestinians out and take the land for themselves of course, it's rockets, just rockets, rockets , rockets, rockets...

When one chooses to live in a guetto... or is forced to stay there by their own family or religious group, you cannot logicaly blame that on a third party who is just trying to hold ground and stay alive.

Israel is not a third party. Israel is a party that forced the Palestinians to live in a ghetto, how in the world can Israel be a third party? Israel's self defence is their own problem. They have no right to conquer other people's land because of that.

Palestinians are forced to live there by Israel not by their own family. They don't chose to live in a ghetto, they chose to live in their land, Israel made that land a ghetto. You are implying that a conqest of other people's land, ethnically cleansing the people from it, killing and terrorising them is a normal thing to do, while, if they have problems with it, it's not because of the people who do that to them. The people who took their land and do all that to them are a 'third party', to you?

Getting too hard to sort through this post on my phone... so...have a good one.

Lol... typical rhetoric. The Palastinians as you call them are landlocked there not by Israels choice, but by their own Muslim Brothers who will not grant them immigration.

I call them Palestinians because that's how they're called. You don't get to chose which nation gets which name, you are no one to decide that. Palestinians don't need immigration. They need to live on their land as sovereign citizens. They need Israelis to go the hell out of the west bank and Gaza. You are supporting fascism. Israeli fascist claims over territory. Just that accidently few millions people live on their holly land, but that's not a major issue, kill some, force some out, leave few of them to show as a mascot of your 'tolerance'. Right?

Here is where your anti semitic remark was made. "They need Israelis to go the hell out of the west bank and Gaza." Basicaly that is saying "Israel needs to just die and go to hell". What you probably dont understand about the west bank is its millitary value. Without it Israel has no high ground, and the Muslims would the military advantage to kill off the rest of the Israelis and take all. Game over.

Israelis high or low ground is their own problem. They don't have the right to take somebody else's land because they 'need a high ground'. Same works for Golan heights they claimed from Syria. Haha, you're telling me you've never heard an expression get the hell out of somewhere? That means simply, get out of somewhere in a loud voice. I don't know have you really never heard it or you're playing with me. There is no anti semitism in that statement. Simply, Israelis need to pull back from where they don't belong. While for the west bank, if Israelis need it so much, they should than give the Palestinians some other part of Israel that is proportionate to the west bank. There's always a solution if you wanna find it.

And not to mention that Israel has nukes, so if that isn't enough for them to defend themselves I don't know what is. So, that story about the west bank is a fraud. Even if it isn't, they don't have the right to take it just like that, and especially not to have Palestinians living in apartheid because of it. If they want it, well, they can at least give the Palestinians a citizenship and get them to decide about their lives as well.

You cant use nukes for near defense. Or didnt you know that? They are only good as a long rang deterent with other nuke holders. And since you agree that those who have the land deserve to keep it.... apply it to everyone equally.. lol you cant do that though can you?

I apply it to everyone, why not? I think for example, Kurds should have their own country in Turkey, Iran, Syria and Iraq. And for other nations. If Israel can't handle it with nukes then they should give Palestinians other parts of Israel to form their own state. A part proportionate in size and natural resources to the west bank. That's the only way it can happen.

Never mind the facts of history... keep trucking with liberal media and re-write your own history as you go along... What is truth anyway but a Lie thats been quoted too many times... right?

Well, if you think the Israeli side is completely innocent, or that at this moment it is the Palestinians who are more guilty than Israelis than the truth is a Lie that's being quoted over and over again. And about history, it is unlikely that you know it better than me. Even if you do, which would mean that you studied the issue like I did, your 'truth', in the case that you blame Palestinians for the conflict now in a present day situation, is a chauvinistic and nationalistic nonsense.

I have NEVER... EVER... said Israel was innocent of anything... however i can see that as a nation they have rights to exist and be secure from oppression... they also have to act responsable with the peoples under their care...

They have the right to exist. But so does Palestine. And it is doable, at this moment, Palestinians would be ready to accept Israeli state. Israeli nationalists don't want to give up the Palestinian territory the unrightfully claimed as theirs. That is the main problem of the issue today. Israeli side is the main aggressor now.