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I love this, hahaha!

Learn English next time. Patriot is synonymous with nationalist. :{

It's not you dimwit. :D

Seriously. Stop giving me more reasons to justify my view of you, that you are ignorant. You're undermining yourself here pal.

Do I need to take screen shots of the synonyms to both patriot and nationalist and post it for you?

I'm sorry that you don't know English for shit kid, but patriot and nationalist are synonyms.

Do you even know what the word ignorant means? Because you're it by definition for thinking that patriot and nationalist aren't synonyms.

Do you even understand the word undermining? Because I seriously doubt your intelligence at this point. :{

I'll reply here since I can't reply to your two other posts (again, this page is not suited for academic discussion).

"Synonyms ALL HAVE SIMILAR BUT DIFFERENT MEANINGS." Thanks for conceding that your initial post was wrong in that you implied Nationalist and Patriot were interchangeable. So, yes, my meme makes sense.

Yes, wikipedia can be edited by everyone. They log IPs though which makes it quite a bit harder to vandalize the site. I guess conservapedia is your preferred method to quickly look up information. I agree that wikipedia can be wrong, sometimes even egregiously so. That doesn't change the fact that it's a good source for casual look up of information. Of course I'd question scientific papers that uses it as a source.

I did not describe nationalism as isolationism, I merely said that the ideology rejects outside influences to the country's affairs. That does not mean they do not engage with other countries. You could argue that I wasn't clear enough, that however would be a result of the character limit.

I also didn't suggest I was academic, I just asked you whether you wanted to elevate the discussion to an academic level. There's a difference between being an academic and adhering to academic standards.

I use adhering to these concepts in the voluntary, involuntary or unconscious sense. That means for example that a person that you would describe as a patriot would generally exhibit the behavior that coincides with the definition of patriotism.

I actually made a lot of points, you just refuse to see them as such. Also, you seem really angry and excited for me being supposedly wrong.

I'm not sure where you get the impression that I am mentally unstable. Pretty sure you're the one constantly posting self-righteous memes and yelling at me.

"Until you can understand what synonym means, we can't really have any academic conversations." Judging by your second to last post we actually absolutely agree on what synonyms are.

BTW: I cannot find a definition that states or implies that to be a nationalist or loyalist you have to love your country.

I just noticed that you deleted your post about 8 people being idiots for not knowing that nationalist and patriot mean the same (I'm paraphrasing since I can't review your post). Quite disingenuous.

[image deleted]I didn't delete any posts. It's still there. Your claim of me being disingenuous is as valid as your claim that the I said those three words' definition said or implied they love their country. It also shows the lack of thoroughness in your research.

Because you say you can't find it, doesn't mean you looked hard enough. I can explain it again though:

A loyalist is a person who remains loyal to the established ruler or government, especially in the face of a revolt. If you are loyal to you're country, you also love it.

A nationalist is someone who is a person with strong patriotic feelings. They love their country.

And a patriot is someone a person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it against enemies or detractors. They love their country.

Hence those three words are all individuals who love their country.

And yes a nationalist will also be a patriot and a loyalist. Logic. Apparently your worst nightmare.

I didn't imply that nationalist and patriot were interchangeable, I SAID that they were "synonymous" with each other. I also gave you the definition of synonymous so you could learn, but you keep ignoring every bit of fact I give you.

Your meme was only made after your invalid argument with me on Invicta's meme where you said that "Damn. And Americans still wonder why the world thinks they're stupid."

You kept trying to claim how bad America is without acknowledging that your country is just as guilty in world events. You tried to claim we were making a country vs country argument to deflect. And you made conjecture after conjecture, eventually making this meme about me.

And you're saying I'm a nationalist who's calling himself a patriot. Yeah? And? That just means I'm a patriotic person. That's what your whole hissy fit is all about kid.

I also wasn't saying that I don't use wikipedia, I said that the page for nationalism had an error. You keep trying to twist my words to suit your agenda. That's really pathetic.

And now I know you're confused/retarded/limited intellectually because you're now claiming that I said you were describing nationalism as isolationism. I said you weren't describing a nationalist. You were describing isolationism. Which you did do. Nationalist doesn't mean keep everyone else out of the country. Which you implied in your definition of the word. And it's not from word limit, it's from your error/flawed logic.

The academic thing is me mocking how ridiculous you sound. :{

Look up the definition of loyal. It does not anywhere say that love is required.

Look up the definition of nationalist. It does not anywhere imply a need for loving your country. It suggest patriotic feelings towards your country, which merely imply any emotional attachment to it. That does not have to be love.

Your description of a patriot is pretty much spot on. However, again, the concept of patriotism does not require "love", it merely requires emotional attachment. I will grant you that the patriots usually referred to in western dialogue are the American kind, which probably love their country.

Yes, a nationalist will be a patriot and loyalist. But a patriot will not automatically be a nationalist. Neither will a loyalist automatically be a nationalist. Which is why they're synonyms, not synonymous.

Ironically enough, interchangeable is a synonym for synonymous. Synonymous is for the vast majority of the time used as "meaning the same".

I am not making any conjectures. I'm merely reading what you say. I'm not as audacious as you and claim things beyond what is written.

I am not keeping on trying to claim anything about America. I didn't even really mention it here apart from implying it in the meme. I also didn't make any argument by stating that American's wonder why the world thinks they're idiots. I merely stated a fact. A lot of American's don't like the image they have in the world.

I didn't make this meme in reply to you either. You must think of yourself as very important to claim that. There are other Americans than you, you know.

I didn't say you don't use wikipedia, I made a quip about how you probably prefer conservapedia.

You are playing semantics here on something we already agreed upon. Yes, you did claim my description of nationalism was a description of isolationism instead. I just have to scroll down a bit to see it right there. I could even post a screenshot.

I didn't imply nationalist means "keep everyone else out of the country". I talked about outside influence, that is not the same.

The majority of your last paragraph is wordplay without meaning. You're contradicting yourself. You're merely swapping words around and playing on the minor semantic difference between nationalists/nationalism and isolationists/isolationism.

This was fun while you were actually putting forth (idiotic) arguments. Now you're just being incredibly dishonest and are trying to provoke me.

You can't be loyal to something and not love it. If you disliked it, you'd leave. Also, the word was loyalist. See there you go trying to change the topic AGAIN.

You want to play semantics with words you don't even understand.

It wasn't a description of a patriot, it is the definition. And AGAIN, you're playing semantics. Love has MANY SYNONYMS. Read a thesaurus.

I never said that a patriot is automatically a nationalist. So it's obvious that you just argue to hear yourself talk.

You keep making false claims about what I am saying, then deny that you're making conjectures and not audacious enough to make claims beyond what's written?

So, you're a hypocrite. You're also essentially lying now by constantly claiming I'm saying something I'm not and arguing for the sake of arguing.

You can only claim to be right in this situation kid, I actually know I am. Lie and deny all you want, you were wrong, i called you on it, and you persisted to flounder everything since. Keep trying kid, and maybe do more homework next time. :{

And again you're being dishonest. I'm done.

You are the one being dishonest kid. Stop lying already. And stop being so stupid while you're at it. :{

As an aside. I'm not bigoted towards America. I lived there for a year and I loved it. I still disagree with a lot of the politics. I also repeatedly said I'm an avid critic of my own country, which means that I think that it does have a lot of shortcomings and is indeed responsibly for a lot of things that go wrong in the world.

You clearly are bigoted towards America, no sense in lying. If you're an "avid critic" of your country, then say what country. Otherwise, STFU with your bullshit. You are bigoted towards Americans as witnessed in your comments on that meme. :{

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So you're retarded and redundant? I already posted the definition of synonymous.

Which makes me think you don't read too good Jimmy... :{

One last post to clarify: Most synonyms are only synonymous in a specific context. I've at least encountered few in either of the languages I speak that do not (slightly) change meaning depending on the context. Again, that's nuance. You wouldn't call the former German national socialist party the patriotic or loyalist socialist party, because they would imply different things.

I know what a synonym is. A word that has similar meaning, but not the same. There is a big political difference between a nationalist and a patriot (and a f**king loyalist for that matter).

Look, I realize nuance isn't exactly your thing, but try to not parade your idiocy too much? See what I did there? I went from ignorant to idiot, because I've lost all hope you're just ignorant. You can't even hit the reply button properly.

Oh, btw: http://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/undermine

If I was undermining you, it would mean that was my intent, which it's not. My intent is to point out your error. That's the difference.

Both a loyalist and a nationalist are patriots to their country. That's within both of their respective definitions. They are both synonymous with patriot. All Nationalists and Loyalists will consider themselves and BE patriots. How do you NOT get that?

How did 8 people not know that those two words are synonyms?

And your point about the National Socialist party is flawed too. Of course you wouldn't change their name, but the party is BY DEFINITION BOTH PATRIOTIC AND LOYALIST.

Are your ears/eyes painted on? :{

I said you were undermining yourself (with your stupid comments). Judging by your second paragraph, you have no idea what you're talking about. Please look up more elaborate definitions and you will see that there's a difference.

My point about the NS is not flawed. Again, look up those words. Repeating myself again: nuance seems to go over your heard. Since you're not very eloquent, I'm not surprised though.

ROFL! Look at you try and make a point.

You're right I was mistaken and thought you had said I was undermining you. But I am not actually undermining myself since I'm supporting my own opinion with facts that you choose to ignore and act as if don't make your argument void.

You were wrong about the words being synonyms and you were wrong with your Nazi point as well.

lol Keep trying kid, maybe one day you won't be so arrogant and retarded, and might be able to admit when you're wrong. :{

You're not even addressing my points. Most importantly, you just ignored my multiple mentions of nuance, what it means, what it is. I'm honestly done with you. Tell yourself you won if it makes you feel better, I honestly don't care. There's no discussing with you.

[image deleted]I didn't ignore any of your points, stop lying kid.

You're wrong about the words Patriot, Nationalist, and Loyalist. They're synonyms of each other.

And yes, I saw you mention nuance, but your lack of understanding of English made me doubt you understand nuance's definition too.

You are "done" because you were wrong and couldn't admit it and can't stand that someone called you on the error.

I'm not SAYING I'm right, I just happen to be right in this situation as well as regarding your country being just as bad as America. As ALL countries are at this point. :{

Exactly what I expected. And you still don't understand nuance. Have a nice day.

A little help before I leave you to it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyalism

You're probably gonna say it's wikipedia, hence it's wrong, because reasons.

No wikipedia can be right sometimes, but for Nationalism the first article used as a source, the one that mentions patriotism, uses a flawed source for its info.

Nationalism involves national identity, by contrast with the related concept of patriotism, which involves the social conditioning and personal behaviors that support a state's decisions and actions.[1] 1.National attachment and patriotism in a European nation: A British study.

This is a single country's VIEW/OPINION on what patriotism is, but also makes a conflicting statement right off the bat.

Synonym =

1. a word or phrase that means exactly or nearly the same as another word or phrase in the same language, for example shut is a synonym of close.
synonyms: alternate, substitute, alternative, equivalent, euphemism
"'harsh' may be used as synonym for 'oppressive'"

2. a person or thing so closely associated with a particular quality or idea that the mention of their name calls it to mind.
"the Victorian age is a synonym for sexual puritanism"

Nationalism = patriotic feeling, principles, or efforts. So...I'm right, and you're still wrong.

All three of these words mean that an individual loves their country.

The argument is also over the words nationalist, patriot, and loyalist, not nationalism, patriotism, and loyalism. You're trying to alter the argument to suit your point when you were already proven wrong time and time again.

You're really being an ass by not admitting you were wrong. You make yourself look ridiculous by arguing with nothing to back up your claims as well. And especially so since you keep claiming it's the last post you'll make. :{

Alright, I'll stop claiming what will be my last post. I did that in error, since I didn't expect that level of ignorance from you.

The cited source is not one country's VIEW/OPINION. It is a scientific, peer reviewed study. Which for the unwarranted condescending one's among us means: The content is generally accepted in the scientific community. Which means the conflicting statement you see, probably only conflicts because you have no idea how language works.

"Wikipedia can be right sometimes" - It is very often correct, which is why it's so popular and often cited. Yes, there are vandals that try to discredit the site to the best of their ability, but that is mostly kept in check.

That you can't see that you're contradicting yourself by pasting the synonyms for synonym is beyond hilarious. Check out the definitions for the synonyms, you will see that these words have SIMILAR but DIFFERENT meanings.

Harsh may be used as a synonym for oppressive only in the right context. If I claim that a police force is harsh, I'm criticizing the way in which they conduct their agenda. If I claim a police force is oppressive, I'm criticizing their agenda directly (and COULD imply critique of their conduct, but you don't need to be brutal to be oppressive).

Nationalism is generally defined as it occurred in Nazi Germany. Putting your own nation before all else, trying to shut out outside influences and furthering your own goals towards other countries by any means necessary or possible. It also very often establishes a collective identity. A nationalist agenda usually only acts to further its own interests.

Patriotism is the concept of loving your own country (often beyond reason). It does not carry the same connotations of being only self interested and applying its agenda by an "the ends justify the means" philosophy. It also usually tries to establish a collective identity.

Loyalism is a more difficult concept to describe a nation's population or group of the population. Being loyal to a country does not mean you have to love it. You can hate your country and be loyal to it. Loyalism ONLY implies a sense of obligation towards your country and/or your countrymen.

Yes, the argument was about nationalists, patriots and loyalists. Tell you what though. Nationalists follow a nationalistic ideology. Patriots adhere to the concept of patriotism. Loyalists adhere to the concept of loyalism. It's not really all that hard.

[image deleted]I can't claim what you said, I can only repeat it. Which I did. So stop claiming I did otherwise imbecile.

You said you were done with me, yet you keep coming back to argue your invalid and nonfactual opinion. You're an idiot kid.

If that source was peer-reviewed it means that all the people involved are ignorant for not pointing out the error in that section.

You can attempt insulting me all you want, but you're the guy who 1. can't admit to your own errors. 2. Makes many errors. 3. also thinks that patriot isn't a synonym or synonymous with Nationalist or Loyalist which was shown to you numerous times even. 4. You are also the guy who tried to alter the argument from the very beginning to suit your opinions.

So when YOU say ANYTHING it's taken as spurious until proven otherwise. And you have yet to say anything genuinely intelligent at this point.

Actually, no. Wikipedia is often wrong since it can easily be edited without having to even log into it.

Wikipedia had a section under the Hyrax(mammal) that claimed the Bible erroneously stated that the Hyrax chewed its cud. The animal that the Bible actually spoke of is a Pika, which does chew its cud. Hence, wikipedia can be wrong. and is only right sometimes. Another of your arguments laid to rest with facts.

Really kid? Really? You still don't understand what a synonym is do you? I just posted its definitions for you and you still can't comprehend it? ROFL! You're stupid. Synonyms ALL HAVE SIMILAR BUT DIFFERENT MEANINGS. A SYNONYM IS JUST A SIMILAR WORD. ROFL! You're an idiot.

And your description of Nazi Germany isn't nationalism/nationalist. It's ISOLATIONIST/ISOLATIONISM. ROFL! You need to do more homework kid. How do you not know that word?

Patriots, nationalists, and loyalists all have in common that the individual loves their country. THAT IS A FACT.

It's obvious you were so flustered you couldn't even really make a point. As usual. Being wrong must do that to you.

I mean read this: "Yes, the argument was about nationalists, patriots and loyalists. Tell you what though. Nationalists follow a nationalistic ideology. Patriots adhere to the concept of patriotism. Loyalists adhere to the concept of loyalism. It's not really all that hard." What are you "telling me what" to/for? Why do you seem to think that the words patriot, nationalist, loyalist mean something like religions in that the people described as such must "adhere" to anything?

You seem to need more research kid. :{

Some of the things I'm saying are debatable. I'm only arguing for what is generally accepted fact. Since these posts have a character limit, I'm not really able to go into more detail. If you want to take this discussion further and elevate it from casual to academic, I suggest other means of communication.

[image deleted]ROFL!!! Really kid? Really? You think you're academic at all? You don't even know basic English words and concepts and you think you're somehow academic? ROFL! ROFL! Indeed!

The only thing we could discuss further is your mental instability and unwillingness to accept facts. Or we could talk about how you are unable to admit your errors?

Until you can understand what synonym means, we can't really have any academic conversations.

Not to mention how you are a bigot towards the USA. :{