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Not sure I understand exactly what this is saying. But have an upvote, anyway. :)
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Conservatives believe in law and justice above all else. Meaning that all people: rich, poor, black, or white, it does not matter. Everyone is treated the same under the rule of the law.
Liberals believe in being equal or fairness above all else. Meaning that all people should be treated according to their up bringing. Which implies that we must give things to people who did not earn or deserve them, or take things away from people who may or may not have earned them. Which is wrong on all accounts.
I hope that cleared up the meaning of my meme.
WHILE JUSTICE IS NOT ALWAYS FAIR, FAIRNESS IS NEVER JUST
Examples of this is just about any social justice debate, such as: BlackLivesMatter, Feminism, socialism, and pretty much any government program with the word social in it.
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The primary premise behind conservatism is order and conformity; the primary premise behind liberalism - at least true 'classical' liberalism - is the autonomy of the individual. Conservatives seek a closed society so those who have power already may maintain it; liberals seek an open society so that everyone can have the liberty to live their lives as they see fit. ('Liberal' does not necessarily equate to 'leftist'.)
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Not necessarily KenJ. A better way for me to word this is: Liberalism exists to tell people how they should live. Examples are gun control (telling people they can not have guns), feminism (demanding women have equal pay in the work place. Which fun fact they always have), socialized medicine and other social programs (ordering people to pay for and have healthcare. Taking away the choice to decide for oneself), the list goes on and on... Those are liberal ideologies, not conservative. Conservative do not really demand anything from anyone else. Just as long as whatever you do with your life, does not affect them. Now as for seeking a closed society, that is somewhat true. However, "so those in power can maintain it", is a bit of a stretch. That is more along the lines of a social dictatorship, and that falls more to the left. And your definition of liberal is correct, but those are people we call libertarians, who most people would associate with neo-conservatives. And they believe the government only slows things down and makes things worse. The name liberals was given to the left as a joke, because they willingly surrender more individual rights and freedoms to the very government most of them find to be so evil and corrupt.
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You're mistaking liberalism for the politically activist left. Conservative concepts cross right and left political lines. For instance I caught a meme of yours that criticized issues regarding the recent incidents at the University of Missouri. I agree that the 'safe spaces' movement is wrong, but I believe so because the general premise behind it is conservative: moving the status quo of power from one interest group to another, instead of spreading power out to greater number of people through the mechanisms of liberty. The same goes for taxi driver unions fighting against Uber: a protection of their self interest against the greater freedom of the many. As I mentioned before, I speak of real liberalism, not the 'liberalism' tag foisted upon the left starting around 30 years ago by movement conservatives who came to power under Reagan in order to achieve campaign aims. Liberalism was born out of Enlightenment concepts of individuals determining their own fate, against the monarchical ideal of divine right of kings. Liberalism came to fruition in the writings of Adam Smith, who sought to remove the mercantilist power of the state over the economy so that individuals may choose how best to exert their personal economic power. And especially, liberalism was supremely exhibited by the founding statesmen of the United States when they sought to secure the autonomy of the individual against the depredations of the empowered institutions of the uncaring state, represented by a distant monarch and an unrepresentative parlament who represented the monied powerful few. Libertarians are not liberal; libertarians seek freedoms for themselves but this often comes at the cost of the freedoms of others. How many libertarians rant about absolute freedom but are willing to use structured power to deny the liberties of others? Why do Ron and Rand Paul declaim hands off by government, except in the instance of abortion? Scratch a libertarian and you'll find an authoritarian underneath. I personally never heard of the idea of freedom as a politically important concept come from the mouth of a conservative until the 1980s when movement conservatism needed to look better to the voting populace of the United States. It's an electable conceit, for show but not true-to-heart.
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How many times in recent history do proud conservatives soapbox about American liberty but when something makes them uncomfortable the issue suddenly becomes one of morality? Same-sex marriage involves free will personal freedom, but now it has become an immoral act which might bring the downfall of America? Abortion is the ultimate freedom of choice for one's body, but now it becomes a violation of God's will and therefore should be rejected for all people by the force of legal binding. Again, this signifies the order and conformity which lies behind conservatism. Close society by legally forcing conservative values upon those who freely think otherwise.Liberal philosophers espouse ideas which are objected upon by conservatives; later these liberal ideas are accepted by conservatives as immutable truths about the time liberals seeks to reform government and society to open it up and provide greater freedoms. Thesis - antithesis - synthesis (I'm a good Hegelian). What you claim as conservatism is the retreading of liberalism as a bulwark against the liberties of those who may be perceived as a threat to the power of vested minorities.
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I understand where the term liberal comes from, and it is not my fault that that is the term used to identify leftist. And you just type casted the views a severals members of a political parties religious zealots, as the views of the entire conservative party. In the gay marriage debate, I personal have no problem with gay people getting married. But the debate was about whether or not they could be together or not, it was about the word marriage. Homosexuals had civil unions, which in the eyes of the government is the same thing as a marriage. But they still were not happy, because the religious people in our country did not recognize their unions. Now as for abortion, yes it is the ultimate form of freedom. But freedom from what? It is freedom from responsibility, from a mistake they made from a one night stand or whatever. And then there is also the issue of the father. Does the father of the unborn child not have a right to the potential child as well? (With the exclusion of rape of course) It seems to me, you are mixing conservative political values with religious moral values.
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