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I'm not aware of any religious people who say that science is the devil's work. Science can be used for good or evil purposes, but it's not evil in itself.

really? come on i can literally point in every direction to any religion that as soon as science proves something against their doctrine as false, those religious will say science is trying to disprove their god, which it does again and again throughout history.. the idea of a god that is a human type being is really just a bookmark for human ignorance, wherever human understanding of the universe falls short, the human propensity for needing and explanation of why things are the way they are always uses 'god' in that moment.. think about it my friend..

actually never said a single blanket statement about 'all christians', why such a guilty conscience my friend?

This is absurd. Science actually confirms the biblical view of creation and has constantly proved the Bible to be accurate. See, the world is round just as the prophet Isaiah said it was (Isaiah 40:22). The earth is suspended upon nothing. (Job26:7). About 20 times the bible says God is stretching out the heavens as Einstein later discovered that the universe is expanding. Oh and google, Mathew Maury, who read his Bible and saw that it spoke of “paths in the sea” and went and found them. Now you can go to Washington DC and see his statue there. Many, many more examples. God is real therefore real science will always confirm it. As apposed to the dead theory of evolution which has been disproven over and over again.

That would be like me painting a picture and a bunch of art students coming in and telling me that the picture means something other than what I say it means and that in fact the picture proves that I didn't paint it. :-D Christianity doesn't remove reason. Christians are interested in all the things that exist in the world that God created and we love to study them too. We just often disagree with the conclusions that non-believers reach.
It isn't thinking that believers have problems with it's faith that non-believers have trouble with. <3

i would disagree.. having faith that your belief system is correct because it's divine will and shouldn't be questioned is the definition of removing reason.. and i'm not calling out christianity as the only offender, every religion preaches faith is a virtue, but wouldn't you agree that science claims faith is not only not a virtue, but a dead-end road for reason.. why is it that religious people i know believe the most ridiculous shit ever because it's in a book they said was sanctioned by their god, whilst being totally logical and normal in every other aspect of their lives not having to do with their religion.. it's a f**king mystery to me why their religion is the right one and all the other ones are ridiculous and wrong, and yet, from an outside perspective of myself, i gotta tell you, all religions look the same from where i'm sitting

The bible does not say that we cannot question things. And, as I said, we do question things. Wouldn't you agree, and isn't it scientific, that in order to get the right answer you have to ask the right question? If I am looking for the sum of 2+2 I can't ask what is 1+1.
There are things that Christians believe, things that we take on faith merely because God said it is true and we believe it, that you would say is "ridiculous shit" but that science is finding is true every day. And I assume that you realize there are Christian scientists that do not have to give up their faith or be bendy on it in order to have both.
I would encourage you to look into the Creation Museum. Or check out my friend Russ Miller on youtube for some really interesting talks on science from a Christian point of view.
Here is simple one to think about, one that I talk to my daughter about in our devotions. I can't speak for all Christians but this is how I reason when I read the bible or something scientific. The bible tells us that Eve was made from one of Adam's ribs. We can see that men and women have the same amount of ribs, twenty-four. So is the story just a story or can we still believe it? Absolutely. If the bible says that God made Eve out of one of Adam's ribs you can rest assured that he either had 25 or one grew back. ;-) That's faith.
Read the whole chapter for a deeper understanding of faith.
Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Also, if you need a bible I would be happy to send you one. Honestly. It would be my pleasure.

thank you for your thoughtful reply, i'm sorry for my tone and use of profanity in earlier texts, i'm not always in such an impassioned state..

so how about this for a fun fact.. i was raised catholic! i come from very religious family and pretty much went to church with my parents and siblings until i was about 16 or 17 when i decided that i was no longer getting anything out of reading the same stories and passages with the same moral of the story summary at the end..

what began to happen to me while i was going through private catholic high school and having to sit through theology classes and bible study taught by kids who weren't even legally qualified to drink the wine they were trying to convince me literally becomes the blood of christ..

what happened is i would ask questions, and i mean, i'm like ruthless, like i would confront the teacher and ask the same things i'm asking now? i would be considerably shamed and shut down in front of my peers for not having faith and that if i were to not get back on the 'right path' the righteous path of god, questioning his will and and his presence would put me on god's naughty list, and that i would essentially have bad kharma or something, that god would put shitty stuff in my life more, but if i just believed and stopped making a scene and just went along with whatever they were telling me to believe, i would be fine..

you know, i'm not totally against any religion, and you should see my criticisms of other institutions of man that are becoming or are already totally corrupt, i'm not just some 'god doesn't exist' atheist trying to spread hate about religions..

okay, so my point is..
most all religions of the world today have a singular character who which they worship as their savior, or as a prophet, or as a dude how plays with electromagnetic meters really well... all religions have a strict set of cultural rules and boundaries to what you can do in life, they call certain things immortal sins that if you do them, you're done! hell forever! all religions use a carrot on a string to create an incentive for humans who don't possess a strong moral compass or have a strong fear of dying, and these people love what religions do for them.. religions are a perversion of our innate human spiritutality, because of our duality, the material plane of the body, and the plane of immaterial infinite light of our souls.. so monotheism is the big thing now, and i agree with that more than polytheistic

(cont) because what science has discovered is that understructure of our universe isn't material, but it's a vast majority of substance that has direction effects on the the third dimension, dark matter and whatnot, also the quantum effects of consciousness upon matter and the superposition and our perception of time even though everything is happening now all at once in every possible combination.. to me it appears that religions have taken a man and put him in place of the universe itself as a false idol to worship.. i do rather like jesus message, if he existed for real or not doesn't matter and don't tell me that historians have proven he exists because that could be just more made up bullshit by the church to perpetuate the truth that jesus' story is the exact same as an Egyptian god Horus that supposedly lived and died hundreds of years before jesus, but was said to be born of a virgin and performed miracles died on a cross and after three days rose again.. do you know where the story about how the son of god died on the cross but rose again, resurrected after 3 days? it's an allegory for how during the winter solstice, viewed from the northern hemisphere, the sun falls to it's lowest point in the sky for 3 days, directly under a cross shaped constellation, and then as the tilt of the planet combined with the orbit gives the illusion that the sun of god is born again.. christianity is not only blatant plagiarized, it's a religion that absorbed all the pagan ritualistic worship of the sun and placed a man in it's place.. that's why jesus is always depicted with the glowing halo around his head, he's standing in the place of the sun.. the holy days of religions was on saturday, the final day of the week to reflect and be grateful, but soon after christianity missionaries were trying to convert, it was easier to convert the pagans by keeping their same day of worship, sunday..

and you can't be serious about that rib thing? okay, why would god take a rib from adam to make eve? and, no, you can't pick and choose what science to use to back up your theories.. if god took a rib from adam to make eve, adam would have one less rib, that shit doesn't grow back.. also, why would their descendents be subject to the injury sustained to adam? taking a bone out doesn't change your DNA so that your kids are

(cont't) born without ribs? that's absolutely retarded logic that an 1/8 of the planet actually continues to use the rib thing.. may i ask, who was there to record adam and eve's creation story if they were the only two there, hell, they didn't even have clothes let along the means to record their history..

why did god create a perfect garden for his supposedly perfect adam and eve, and put a tree right in the f**kin' middle with a forbidden fruit? yeah yeah, to test their faith, right? why all the testing of the faith all the time? is god seriously that insecure about people liking him or believing that he exists? then god creates an evil snake to go tempt eve because they weren't eating the fruit so your god creating something he knew would get her to eat it.. the snake tricked her! lied to her! she was like a child and died know that the all powerful god who created a perfect garden for her and her hubby would send in a f**kin snitch informant evil snake to make her eat it.. and what is the tree called? the tree of knowledge! the first story in that god-forsaken book has a moral that knowledge is bad, exploring new things is bad, and also that god is some sort of sociopath playing with his creation like a cat would a mouse, kicking them out into the dangerous world outside to try and survive because she ate a piece of fruit?! she said she was sorry? i thought god was all about forgiveness? unconditional love? yes, we all know that story is untrue an complete bullshit as you say, but you come to terms with it's fallacy because of the rib thing? none of the other revelations of who this 'god' is, what his intentions are??

I .... would love to have this conversation with you. :-) I don't have any interest in arguing but I would love to have a q & a conversation if you are curious why I believe the bible. I will do what I can but this format does not allow for much back and forth like this lol but we can try :-)
I do know why Christianity is true and other religions are false. I know why Eve was made from Adam's rib. I know why their descendants are subject to the injury of their parents. I know how their DNA was changed. I know why it is that Horus and Ishtar were created and why the time frame would be before Christ.
The reason you do not know is the same reason why SO MANY young people today do not know. Because the church looks so much like the world and sounds so much like the world that the body doesn't know it's ass from its elbow ;-) Pastors are so afraid of offending someone and keeping their pews filled that they do not teach doctrine or bible anymore. Or few do. Is it any wonder why the book of Revelations begins with some pretty serious letter to the seven churches? "Fix it or I'm removing your candlestick." BAM! lol The church does little to love its people, it does little to teach its people and by doing so, with as "busy" as they are, it does little of God's work. Amen?
The bible says to be set apart ... the church is not. The bible teaches to not celebrate the world's holidays and specifically says not to bring evergreens into your home ... find a church without a Christmas tree. Everyone Trunk-Or-Treat lol How in the world does the church expect to lead the lost to Christ if they can't even keep their believers from running to sin?
There are a LOT of angry young people (and older people) who have left the church. And for good reason. But it is not God that is wrong or a liar. The Bible tells us to let God be true and every man a liar. God does not change. If God said it ... count it more true than your own name.
It all boils down to you. God and you personally. Not God and you and me. Not god and you and the church. Just God and you. IF you want to know him ... that is on you. If you do not want to know him ... that is on you too. I pray that you will. And I will pray that. And when I do ... I will not be talking to a fuzzy image of him that I saw in a painting, or some abstract idea of him. I know my God and my savior. I know him better than I know my husband, my children, my mother or even myself. :-) And because I do know him ... he will answer me.

This is where you are at the moment.
Mark 4
9 And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
10 And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable.
11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
13 And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?
14 The sower soweth the word.
15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
16 And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;
17 And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.
18 And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word,
19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
20 And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.
21 And he said unto them, Is a candle brought to be put under a bushel, or under a bed? and not to be set on a candlestick?
22 For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad.
23 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

And this is what is promised to you when you come with an humble and earnest heart.
Matthew 7
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

I would suggest to you that you DO care about the truth. This is why so many people get upset about religion. Because they CARE about truth. But do not be distracted by the world. The world is a description. The world is only the physical playing out of the truth that is ALREADY eternal. If you desire true truth, eternal truth, you will have to look beyond the physical and see what there is to see. Ask the questions that beg FULL answers. :-)
Is the glass half empty or half full? Anyone who chooses one or the other is a liar. They are only describing their desire, not stating truth. It is both. That's the physical. Truth, the constant, there is only the glass, only the question.
:-)

straight up though, i am perfectly happy with my model of the universe, and guess what, my perspective on consciousness and our reality doesn't require your god to exist..
look i'm gonna pick apart some of your statements here for a minute.. and just so you know, an argument isn't in and of itself a bad thing, it's how one presents their argument or viewpoint on the issue that determines the tone of the conversation..
you said..
"I do know why Christianity is true and other religions are false. I know why Eve was made from Adam's rib. I know why their descendants are subject to the injury of their parents. I know how their DNA was changed."
-I think you misunderstand my point.. I'm saying that the proof is in the pudding that some of the bible is just stories meant to impart a message or moral, and aren't meant to be taken literally.. for example, have you ever encountered a talking snake? please explain to me the biological mechanisms in place that would allow a snake to speak at anytime in their history as snakes..

"Because the church looks so much like the world and sounds so much like the world that the body doesn't know it's ass from its elbow ;-) Pastors are so afraid of offending someone and keeping their pews filled that they do not teach doctrine or bible anymore. "
-Probably because they know if they are going to keep a congregation in the age of information, they can't use the same manipulation techniques of trying to convince everyone that natural human behaviors are somehow a sin depending on the social status of the couple.. what exactly is the difference between an unmarried couple having sex and a married couple having sex? the act is the same, a marriage certificate from the government does not suddenly make sex not sinful anymore.. god doesn't issue marriage certificates, the state does.. the whole no sex before marriage is bad thing is just a social guideline for creating a culture of families in which the parents have the perception of an eternal bond as to not dissolve the family because they are afraid of pissing off god.. god doesn't care, he is busy enjoying watching the military industrial complex work in tandem with a complicit whorish mainstream media to propagandize everyone into supporting using government resources such and taxes and tricking young men and women into going to fight for their interests under the guise of patriotism.. these corporations are multinational and globalized, their is nothing patriotic about

(cont) about it.. it's a deception thats generations in the making, and the people living today just accept war as normal and natural for humans to engage in.. that is so against the social and instinctual human empathy to be of service to others.. which does a person reflexively engage in.. attempting to save a drowning child, or pulling the trigger on the gun pointed at the drowning child.. literally, humans will instinctually try to help, not instinctually just kill someone.. aeons of evolution have sculpted a creature designed to help the humans around him because the memory of not helping and dying has been engrained into our very DNA..

"The bible says to be set apart ... the church is not. The bible teaches to not celebrate the world's holidays and specifically says not to bring evergreens into your home ... find a church without a Christmas tree. Everyone Trunk-Or-Treat lol How in the world does the church expect to lead the lost to Christ if they can't even keep their believers from running to sin?"
-what is the point of this? that christians today pick and choose what to follow in the bible? if it's such a holy book and god's word on paper, you would think the entire book would be honored even if something was ridiculous, because either the whole thing is god's word, or none of it is..

"There are a LOT of angry young people (and older people) who have left the church. And for good reason. But it is not God that is wrong or a liar. The Bible tells us to let God be true and every man a liar. God does not change. If God said it ... count it more true than your own name. "
-if humans we created in the image of god, then that would mean god has the capacity to be a liar.. i remember a certain story where god told abraham to go kill his son to prove his love.. that's a pretty dick move for a god to be engaged in, like, whoa i've never personally known anyone who abuse their authority to put their inferiors through the emotional and psychological trauma that must inflict.. but in the end, god was just kidding, he lied, he never intended to make abraham go through with it, god was just was feeling sorry for himself that day and devised a psychopathic plan to put someone who loved him entirely through turmoil so he would know for sure abraham wasn't lying to god, as if god just couldn't read his mind, like, everyone says god hears all our prayers, and yet god can't read the intentions or thoughts of his followers? AHEMbullshitCOUGHCOUGH. sorry.