Third World Skeptical Kid

My aggression? Put the crack pipe down dude. I'm not in the mideast. If you got a beef with US foriegn policy.. send obama your memes. Mideast is self destructive.. when it has no one to fight with, it fights with itself. It has a middle ages medevial mentality. It's not like the ME has never attacked anyone... they have been doing it long before the rise of islam.

Is Syria in the ME dude? There was no "invasion" there either.. but Assad killed about 250 thousand of his own people. That was no one but him... there was no intervention by anyone. Like I said.. the ME needs no excuse to war.. that have been doing it with no assistance to each other since the beginning of time. But the people there are expert liars.. blaming everyone except themselves for their own wars and acts of aggression. And why? Because Islam is the most intolerant cult on earth. It will not coincide peacefully with any other culture. . And still fights with each other. Educate yourself. . Your statements are knowingly false.. or you are very misinformed.

Friend, are you saying that the US didn't invade Iraq and Afghanistan and it didn't bomb Libya? Are you saying your government doesn't openly support rebels against Assad? Answer these questions and then we can get some things straight. I have a masters degree in Political science. What do you study?

If u indeed hack a master's in PS... why do you ignore that regions history? Remember the Arab spring? Who caused the violence? The USA was NOT invading egypt. Why did the USA go into Afghan. .. ? Was it to get bin Laden WHO Funded AN Attack On The USA? Do you remember 9/11. ?

I remember the 9/11. So, first, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and you invaded it. So, explain that. Al Qaeda was not a government in Afghanistan, it was a terrorist group you supposed to be stationed in Afghanistan. That's hardly enough of a reason to invade the country, especially case most of the Al Qaeda member, including Osama Bin Laden were Saudis. A lot of them were pakistani too. Saudi Arabia also financed Al Qaeda and finances islamists in general. Why didn't you invade them? About Libya, you bombed the country, you armed rebels against Gaddafi. How was that your business? About Syria, you did send weapons to fighters against Assad, and some of them formed ISIS now. Also ISIS could never gain any territory in Iraq if Iraq wasn't destroyed already by your invasion. So, the US has a lot of fault in the creation of ISIS actually.

You just ignore the questions that don't suit your story friend. That just doesn't work, you can't ignore those things, the US attacked to many countries in the middle east just o ignore it and labele it all as a 'war on terror'. Which was a totally mistaken concept btw, it didn't work. And it was probably not supposed to work, it looks more like an excuse to invade the countries in the middle east, when you look at it from current perspective.

You're cherry picking dude. Here's my question to you: if the west is so evil, why are all the mideast refugees going to western cultured mostly Christian countries? And why are islamic countries not taking them or giving them aid?? If everything is great in the ME... why do they flee? I don't see western cultures migrating to islamic countries. WHY? Don't whitewash the truth.. because we both know why.. but one of us will deny the real reason. .. won't you?

Hey... i agree that obama's poor foriegn policy helped create ISIS..! But still... look how evil those people are dude. . They were already evil. Cutting off children's heads in the name of Allah?? Do you defend that?

Of course I don't defend that. They are crazy, no argue about that. But they are being financed by the Saudi Arabia. Turkey is No1 buyer of their oil. US and the western countries send them weapons, and not to say, that if there was no invasion in Iraq and Afghanistan, they wouldn't have half of the members they have now. A lot of their members also come from Chechnya. If Russians didn't ruin the state of Chechnya and if they just let them be independent, most of those people would just stay in Chechnya and live normal lives. The west has a lot of blame for the existence of ISIS. And when it comes to the States, it is not Obama's mistakes I'm talking about, it is primarily about the invasion of Iraq which I was refering to, which was under George Bush mandate. Obama continued the same policy, just with a bit softer approach.

About the refugees fleeing to the west, I'm not saying the westerners as a people are all bad. Americans and Europeans are people like anyone else. Most of them don't care about politics, lot of them don't even know what their governments are doing, and some just believe the mainstream media and do not care to get informed about what's actually going on. Most of the people in general are actually not evil. Even this crazy people from ISIS are probably mentally insane, and they believe they are fighting for the good in the world. They are more crazy and bigger butchers, that's for sure, but in the core, their attitude is the same like the attitudes of the americans soldiers who went to invade Iraq. Both of them believed to fight for a good cause, and both are wrong and delusional. And with ISIS, lot of these people had their lives destroyed in the US and Soviet invasions in the middle east. They have every right to hate the west, but their craziness and brutality isn't justified, that's for sure.

Your questions do not offer an accurate scenario for a logical response. Look.. no hard feelings. You asked what I studied.. I lived in the ME for 3 years.. i am a vet. I would like to have a conversation in person.. but I am worn out typing on phone. I believe you are a smart guy... but I like to evaluate history of a region... not cherry pick events to pass blame. The ME has had MANY problems.. before there was an America.

Friend, google your own policies. You invaded Iraq alright, that's fact. You bombed Libya, that's also a fact. We could debate other things I said, but these things are facts, and they are a pure act of aggression committed by the US.

And yeah, I'd definitely like to talk about it while having coffee. My ideas can sound wrong when you hear them in this context. The bottom line is, I don't think the west is worse then the rest of the world, neither that the westerners are more evil. Thing is, the west has more power than the others and it abuses that power. That's the problem, and it's something that should be criticised. :)

Yeah, and you're a cool guy too, I'm glad we can talk about this like normal people. It is not often actually, to debate something with someone in an adult way, most people start to behave immaturely quite soon. So, I'm glad we talked. :)

I have traveled a lot.. and I can say this honestly; the vast majority of Americans and Canadians especially, are very giving people. When there is a natural disaster anywhere in the world, these people give billions from their pockets to relief funds to assist people in need. They do it and don't care about the color of their skin, their religion or anything else. They give to the point of being taken advantage of i think sometimes. Too often these people are hated in the world because of the actions of governments. . And judged as if they themselves are guilty because of government actions and not their own.

That's fine... But that's another story. Nobody's saying Americans have no empathy... But most of your countryman are naive and easily manipulated, just like everyone else... In my region we had lot of wars between Croats, Serbs and Bosniaks... I traveled a lot, through Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia, had only good experiences. In general, foreigners like the balkans and our mentality. But if you would ask people about politics, you'd realise most of them are either ignorant or nationalists... The same applies for the US. People are not that bad in their core, we're all humans. But we're mostly nationalists, racists, islamophobes, religious fanatics etc... That's the way it goes in general. Americans are mostly nice but still, most of them don't rebel when your army goes to war abroad. Most of them actually approves it. And they mostly believe your government propaganda, just like the nationalists from my region.

Did you crash into the world Trade center? No correct? I didn't invade or bomb anything either... you are saying "you" as if I did. Are u responsible for the tactics of ISIS? Neither am i responsible for what Obama does.

Ok, sorry for that use of the word 'you' as it is your fault. I sometimes just try to type as fast as I can. I will take care of that in my future comments. But that's gonna be in another day, cause I'm going to sleep now. Yeah, and I'm actually from Bosnia and Herzegovina. Although I should be, like, Croat, cause we have Croats and Serbs living in Bosnia too. Complicated story, nevertheless, it's 4 in the morning here, so I'm going now. Have a good night. :)

Good night friend... good conversation! I sense your passion

I'm saying what I already relayed. Syria hasa ruthless dictator / Baath government w/ a strong anti-Western policy. 250K dead there at the hands of Assad. B4 US invoved. Iran was at war with Iraq.. no USA invasion caused it. Hussein invaded Kuwait before US intervention At request of Kuwait. My point is that region has been volatile for thousands of years before there was an America. The area history is violence dude.. and since the Arab spring a few yrs ago.. getting worse. The USA has a base in quatar at THEIR request. . Because they fear Iran.. yet theyr muslim.

I agree with all that. Ok. So, can you now answer me why did you invade Iraq, Afghanistan and bombed Libya? How are you actually better then those countries, when you invade them?

Too bad you're not here.. you're missing good football games!

Dogrash.. let me ask a question. I saw a video of Muslim refugees refusing food and water, and becoming angry with police who were trying to give aid of food and water. The reasoning, was that the aid being offered, came from the Red Cross, which you know gives humanitarian relief around the world. The refugees were upset that the food had the red cross symbol, and this was offensive to them. Why would they deny this aid to their families? If islamic a religion of peace and tolerance, they did not exihibit tolerance to people trying to help. Can you help me understand this?

About the US. I never blame an entire country for anything, but I do blame the governments and people who approve the actions of the government. I don't doubt that the US as a country has a lot of good things to offer to it's citizens, I'm sure it does. But it's politics in general is another story. :)

My friend.. i know politics. There are no 100% honest politicians. This country welcomes everyone and is very diverse. But I see this country turning to shit and the values that ad it great, being corrupted. My opinion is, if anyone chooses to migrate and live in another country, then that person should honor and respect that countries culture, laws and values. This applies to every one in every country. If someone don't like the culture of a country.. my advice is live in one you do and stay out. Why go to another country and bitch about its culture? I don't like Mexico.. but I speak spanish.. so I chose not to live there.

That's fine, I don't live in the states. If I would move there I'd still criticize american politics because it should be criticized just like and other bad politics in the world. You are talking about the american people and the fact that the US accepts everyone in the country. I'm not questioning that and I wasn't talking about that when I criticized the US.

That's the difference my friend. As a muslim, you have the same right as anybody to criticize US policy. . You are free to do so because it's a free country. If i, as a Christian, we're living in an Islamic country, I would not be free to openly criticize the country. It would be a crime.. punishment severe. I enjoy that freedom in the US.. and you would too.

It is true, but it is also the same with others in some muslim countries. In Iran, if you're a muslim and you oppose the regime, you're gonna end up in jail. In Saudi Arabia too. In Turkey you can be a christian and nothing's gonna happen to you, but if you're Kurdish and oppose the regime, you're gonna end badly. And also in Israel, if you're a Palestinian, either a christian or a muslim one, and if you live in the west bank and Gaza, you're gonna have your basic human rights violated every day. If you're from Chechnya in Russia, well, we know what happened. :) A Tibetan in China, same story. It is a sad world my friend, people have a really bad time in lot of places. It's hardly ever gonna change in our lifetime. But still, we can change some things, some things that are on our reach. :)

Invicta, I don't give a shit about that. Do you believe me that I don't? I can talk you about the reasons for that, we can talk about those people being stupid, I'd agree with you. But as long as you don't condemn your country's politics, and, if you do not agree with me that your country forms repeated acts of aggression on middle eastern countries, we have no reason to talk about that. If you realise that americans are mostly stupid (like all other people in the world, including my country), than we can talk about muslims being stupid too. But as long as you don't condemn the aggression your country does in the middle eastern countries, that's not a topic we'll talk about cause talking about it is just, justifying your country's primitive, aggressive and hegemonizing politics. And it's a justification of the primitive nationalism of the americans and other westerners.

I asked a question so u could help me understand,.. it appears your feathers got ruffled but not my intention. I am not going to condemn an entire country for the actions of a few. . Not my country or yours. I was not born in the USA friend.. but I like what it has offered me. It has its faults.. and there is not enough room for me to list them in one msg. But I am aware of other country's faults too, but do not condemn the people. I am catholic, and I hear people say nasty things about my religion sometimes because of the actions of a few priest. You seem overly sensitive about my question to the refugees. . And only interested in me condemning a nation of people for the actions of a few. I was interested in hearing your answer because I trusted your response. Sometimes the intended msg does not come out good to the one recieving. If this makes you angry, I hope you move past it for your sake. Hate and anger leads to worse.. as we both know. I hope you find peace.

Sorry man, I was actually out last night and was quite drunk so I didn't actually get you right. Sorry for my inappropriate response. What to say, these people come from all kinds of backgrounds. Some of them are just ignorant, uneducated and primitive. They probably think it's an insult for them, they maybe think that it is deliberately done. And if you've seen some videos you'd understand why they might think that, because sometimes they're treated like animals. There are videos of Hungarian police throwing them food like they give it to the animals. Some of those people probably don't know about the red cross in general. But I doubt that it happened often, the refusing of food given from the red cross.

You must be islamic ... or flaming left wing to be on this site complaining about "aggression" in the ME. There was no f#cking "invasion" of the ME when Iran and Iraq was at war... there was no invasion when Iraq under insane Hussein invaded Kuwait either. Who's f**king fault was that? An infidel aggressor? Educate yourself dude.. you're outta your league.

I don't care about the conflict the middle eastern countries have with themselves. Everybody has conflicts, the US had a war with Mexico for Texas and California, and with Spain about islands in the Caribbean. Europe was full of wars through it's entire history. I'm not talking about that and that's irrelevant now. What is relevant is the fact that the US invaded Afghanistan, Iraq, bombed Libya, armed rebels against Syria. That's what I'm talking about, I don't know what do you want, you'd like to delete that from history? You want, what? Everybody should just forget that u invaded Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with Al Qaeda, because of the weapons of mass destruction you never found? And even if they had them that's non of your business, Israel has nukes and occupies Palestine but you don't mind that. Your invasion in Iraq is not an 'invasion' in any means, you invaded the country plain straight, or you wanna say it didn't happen? You also bombed Libya, although you have nothing to do with it, and you armed islamists who now formed ISIS. It's all your shit friend, the US has no business in the middle east, but yet your army is there, invading, bombing and arming islamists all the time. This meme was a response meme, for the one which was making fun out of an idea of islam being a religion of peace. I decided to submit it individually after I made it as a response. The point is, you have no right calling muslims to be jihadists and stuff, when it is you who invade their countries and not vice versa. It's like you break into somebody's house and kill his family and then accusing him of being a savage. It's just ridiculous. And I want talk to Obama or anyone about it, I'm perfectly good talking about it here, and I'll continue with that. My origin and my religion is irrelevant.

*I won't talk to Obama about it

LMAO...What are you... like 12 or 14 yrs old? Really dude... ? You downvoted my comments that always shows the age.. it never fails. See... i disagreed with you, and I lived in that area for 3 years. I know the culture. But I never downvoted you. I even upvoted your meme because it elicited a comment from me. You're too young to respect others opinions.. it's easier to take offense. It's a little immature to downvote everyone u disagree with. But hey... live the life dude.

Man, I didn't downvote your comments. I actually thought for a minute now that you downvoted them to make it look like I did it. But yeah, I guess that would be too lame thing to do. Whoever did it it's not me. We're having a conversation, we don't need to agree about anything, I'm fine with that. Somebody else is obviously reading our discussion, because I got upvotes and I can't upvote myself. Whatever it is, I don't downvote nobody's comments unless they start to write insults. :)

History IS relevant. It appears you want to cherry pick events that the US was involved in and ignore the history and culture of death in that area of the world. I recommend reading history and current events bro.. muslims were calling themselves "jihadist" before there was an America.

How would you call Christians who killed the natives in South, North America, Australia and New Zealand, and force them to convert to Christianity? Is there a name for that? Is that different than the concept of jihad? And how would you call a nation that thinks it can invade and wreck any country it feels like invading? Is that like jihadism?

I don't cherry pick anything. I am very aware that most nations in the world are violent. I know that most countries in the world try, tried, or would try to dominate other countries, take their territory and resources. That's the way the world is, unfortunately. But that doesn't justify the US to do all this shit in the world. It is the US doing the most shit in the world at the moment, that's why I talk about the US on this site. And it is a predominantly western site, I could talk about China or Russia too, but no one would care.

And also, it is you who think the Americans are better than others, or at least, that muslims from the middle east are worst than other people in the world. Which is absurd, simply, you can't make that argument in a situation when you attack someone. If you attack them, you are the aggressor in that conflict, plain simple.

Yeah. .. right. Has the ME ever been an aggressor? Has dictators in the ME ever killed, raped, gassed or tortured it's own people?