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Just out of curiousity, i go to a christian school in Canada, i consider myself Agnostic but i am open to Christianity. Out of curiousity, is the Bible taught literally in the US? We get told its all contextual and metaphorical, which is why Christianity and religion does get as much hate? Do people really get taught about a 6k y/o earth, a talking snake, etc?

Besides a difference in denominations, within each denomination you have what is considered Young Earth Christians and Old Earth Christians. YEC believe in an actual 7 day creation which would put the earth around 6-10K years. OEC admit we don't know the exact time frame of each "day" since to God there is no concept of time, but don't believe that creation of everything happened the way science explains it. OEC believe that God is the source of the big bang, that the process of abiogenesis is actually where God created all living creatures at the family classification level, and evolution is limited to micro-evolution or diversification within the family classification.

The Bible is actually both literal and contextual. Most of the old testament is literal and tells us a lot of how the culture of the time was. In the new testament there is both literal and contextual, depending on what is taking place.

One thing a lot of people don't think about is just because we don't see things like talking snakes or donkeys today, that doesn't mean that there wasn't a time in which one was possessed and the demon was doing the talking. There is too much unexplained in this world and the universe to state that none of this is possible.

The reason why it's reasonable to accept the claims of Scripture as true is because of the character of the One who inspired the writings.

Yes, that's right. It is.

When you're defending an "ultimate" standard (such as the Bible), there's ultimately no way to do it except in a circular way. Otherwise, the standard wouldn't really be the ultimate standard.

Is there a reason that the circularity of the argument bothers you?

There's a difference between saying something is possible and saying it's 100% true.

True, but that's not everyone. And yes, it is pretty stupid to try and apply that to everyone in an "umbrella" style, but hey, I'm not complaining if someone practices a religion. It's only until you start shoving it down people's throats that it becomes a problem.

The same argument can be used for macroevolution. Just because the "barrier" hasn't been found to stop evolution at the point of the family classification, that doesn't mean it isn't there.

No, it is just using a term for something that really isn't defined or named.

It depends a lot on what denomination you choose. For example, Evangelicals have very few in common with Catholics.

I'm a non denominational Christian. Read the Bible and decide for yourself what it means to be a Christian. That's what I believe. Don't let anyone, including Christians teach you what to believe. Let the Bible teach you. If you are are a Christian you will learn that you know nothing.

Happily no, people would take legal action if it was as it is a religiously free country.

YES. PREACH. This meme COMPLETELY covers everything I can't stand about certain Christians. Many, many Christians are sensible and love their neighbors as themselves...but there's a select few who are hateful and just give Christianity a bad name, which I find shameful. Thank you for making this meme.

Glad you liked it. :-) (even though it has a typo, Lol) Apparently, I've been over-thinking my memes. I banged this one out in two minutes, and it's doing well.Thanks so much for the love.

Amen! Why is this so hard for Christians to Understand?

Honestly, it is not that Christians have a hard time understanding this, it is that non-believers think that this means Christians are then required to agree with same-sex marriage and anything else that goes against their beliefs in order to say they love their neighbor.

Ah, that is true

They can disagree with it, but that doesnt mean that they can take away their rights

The had the right to get married to someone of the opposite sex or join together with someone of the same sex through civil unions. There are actually more rights in more states for civil unions that what people are lead to believe. So no rights were be taking away. But now with the legalization of same sex marriage on a federal level, which means it is now ranked higher than traditional marriage which is only granted at the state level, religious rights are slowly being violated and taken away, and there are a lot of people who are unwilling to admit that.

And you do also realize that the reason that many large nations had already legalized gay marriage is because they want to focus on real issues like the economy. America shouldnt be worrying about stifling gays rights for the pleasure of christians, they should worry about their giany debt

And do you realize that some of those large nations are mainly atheists and are forcing churches and pastors to go against their religious beliefs, which would be a violation of freedom of religion?

And yet i have hear very little of refusal to marry in Canada, because most of us realize that the Old Testamet was abolished by Jesus's crucifixtion. We dont talk creationism litterally, i can ask many Christians around my city and they will agree that most of the stuff in the Bible is far fetched if taken litterally, we look at the New Testament and the 10 commandments as something to get morals from. We see the Bible as something to live by, not live for.

If this is how you view the Bible, then you are missing over half of what it offers. It also offers information of what the culture of the time was like. To say that parts of the bible is not true, then you literally stating that none of it can be true because it all tells one story.

Just because you haven't heard of refusal to marry in Canada, that doesn't mean it hasn't happened in other countries like England.

Christians here don't live for the Bible, we live for God. We do live by the written word of God which is the Bible, and most Christians here believe the Bible in whole. There are some debates on certain aspects like the creation time period, but that is only semantics.

You cant win with that argument, because unless you have sideburns down to your kneecaps and have never worn mixed fabrics or any other of the rediculous stuff the Old Testament bans, you are out of luck.

When i google "Gay Marriage Legal Outrage US", google is spammed with results. When i google "Gay Marriage Legal UK Outrage" or "England Outrage", nothing. I dont think preists are as conserned as you think that they are.

And again i say, we dont devote our lives to making sure that everyone around us is happy, we dont seek conflict because we see dated rules that might still apply, we seek the most peaceful route, because in the end, we dont even know if religion is real or not, Christianity, Hinduism, Mulism or even the boring maggot food idea of Atheism. As long as we are alive in this life, whats wrong with trying to make everyone happy and turn the other cheek. Do unto other as you would want others to do unto you.

What you fail to realize is that the Laws of Moses is the only thing in the old testament that became invalid because of Jesus.

Maybe you should be searching for "gay couples sueing Christians" instead.

To make everyone happy in this world means you are living of the world not just in the world, which is the opposite of what Jesus told us to do. To please others by doing what society says is right and not what God says is right is not being a Christian.

Wow, so what you are saying is that you would rather live in a repressed world full of hate because someone whom you dont even know exist told you to in a book that is 1000s of years old than just follow the rules that fit in with a civilized society. You realize that if any society adopted the Bible as their rule book the death penalty would be instated for minor offenses, women wouldnt have half the rights as men and there are many other rediculous rules. I want to live in a modern society, not a society dated back to the time where it was ok to sentence someone to death for being left handed. If you want to live in a place dictated by religion, ok, look how the middle east turned out.

And one last thing is that if God is fair and just, will he look at somebody spreading love and send them to burn in hell for all eternity just because they didnt do it the way he wanted?

If Atheism is true, then life has no meaning. If Hinduism is true then we will have this discussion in a few hundred years.

At least I don't change God's laws in order to comply with worldly views. I would much rather please God and be viewed as a fruitcake than please people and spend eternity separated from God.

I will enjoy spending eternity seperated from you. I wonder what would happen to us if Hinduism is true? Or Atheism?

Your stupidity is alarming. You do realize Christianity means followers of Christ? How many people did Jesus have stoned for their sins? Let me help you out, ZERO!!!!!! In fact He stopped people from stoning a woman who was caught in adultry. So you need to stop confusing Christian beliefs with what took place in the Old Testament and the Laws of Moses, which once again WERE ERASED WITH THE DEATH AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST.

Did I f**king say anyone lost their right to get married, NO!!!!!! I stated people are losing their religious rights, you are just too f**king stupid to understand.

If I am not allowed to keep a gay marriage from happening in my church, THEN YES I AM BEING TOLD WHAT I AM ALLOWED TO BELIEVE, YOU F**KING RETARDED COCK SUCKER.

There is a video out there of a guy who pretends to be gay and goes into Muslim bakeries and the majority of them refused to bake him the cake he asked for. But NEVER do we hear on the news about a gay couple suing a Muslim business for refusing services. NEVER!!!!!! So maybe it is time for you to f**king wake up and see what is really going on here.

Have you never read any of the scriptures where Jesus tells us we are not to sit on the fence? We either conform to God and not of the world or we conform to the world and not of God. You can't live both of God and of the world, it is impossible.

God's laws are not irrelevant today just because they don't conform to make everyone happy. They are very much how we should live today, if you have an ounce of intelligence to understand which are God's laws and which are old testament Moses laws, which you clearly do not have the intelligence to comprehend. So goodbye you f**king dumbass. I hope you enjoy hell because that is where you deserve to spend eternity. I have no more time to waste on a pathetic worthless pile of shit like yourself.

Ill enjoy hell, the devil is a rockin guitarist, musics great, and theres nobody like you psychopaths there, adios, fruitcake

Once again, you f**king retard, I am not trying to take away anyone's love. You can still love someone without being married to them, and if it is the governmental benefits they desire, then there is civil unions and paperwork. There are more rights given by civil unions than what most people are willing to admit, and changing thise rights would not have been that hard. However this was all about forcing their lifestyle onto others and to force us to change our religious beliefs, so they decided to go the other route and have marriage changed. So how about you just shut the f**k up now because you have provided zero evidence for your claims that God would rather have us conform to world views and society instead of following the laws He gave us 2000 years ago.

The reason you are a hypocrite is because you dont want to be forced to conform to their gay lifestyle, but you want them to stifle their emotions, not allow them a wedding which is, if you didnt know, kind of a big part of a marriage. Also, by legalizing gay marriage, who is losing their right to marry, nobody, absolutely no one! And nobody is telling you what to beleive you can hate gay people as long as you arent infringing upon their rights. And nobody is threatening lawsuits for practing religion, they are threatening lawsuits because of denial of service on the basis of sexual orientation. I dont think america would have the same ammount of sympathy if it was a Muslim denying service, not a christian. The fact that he gave the laws 2000 years ago is the problem! These laws are not meant for a civilized society! It talks about stoning people to death and uses outdated terms! Its 2015, not 70 AD! until people begin to realize that spreading hate like you are and trying to repress people to protect your "rights" will never NEVER make a peaceful society, frankly if God doesnt agree with the fact that most of us are just trying to spread peace, i dont think i really care for think God. If he doesnt agree, flying spaghetti monster worship time.

How am I being a hypocrite? I can admit when I sin. If you can't admit when you sin or that your gay friends are sinning because of their lifestyle, then it is you that is being the hypocrite.

You just don't get it. I never stated that they can't be happy or they shouldn't be able to be together. I am just stating the fact that God has stated that homosexuality is a sin and that I cannot support their sin. I can still care for them; give them food if they are hungry, shelter during a storm, or help them with other things. That is called showing them respect and loving the sinner. However I do not have to allow them to use my church for their wedding, run sound for their service, or change my beliefs in order to respect them. If I have to do any of that, than that is proof that they are not willing to respect me, my beliefs, and my faith.

When women were gaining the right to vote, black people were as well. But no one was having to lose their right to vote or be forced to change how they vote in order to gain these rights to be given. However because of non-discrimination laws and gay people wanting to force their lifestyle onto religious people, religious people are starting to lose their rights; being told what they are allowed to believe to be right and wrong, what their religious practice of marriage is allowed to be, threatened with lawsuits for try to practice their religious beliefs. You can deny it all you want, but that doesn't mean it is not taking place. I have seen it take place.

You clearly have no idea what my faith is if you think it is comparable to WBC. You are just getting desperate by trying to compare me to them.

For me to answer your question about slavery, you must first define slavery. If you are referring to slavery like what took place in America in the 1700s and 1800s, the Bible does not condone that. In fact the Bible does state that we are not to forcefully remove someone from their land and sell them as a slave. However what the Bible did condone was what is known today as indentured servitude. This form of "slavery" was only allowed to be used to pay off debts and was a part of the culture of the time. No where does the Bible command us to take people as slaves. And when I say "us today" I am referring to anything stated in the new testament. So the truth is that the Bible does not condone slavery as most people see slavery being defined today.

I am done with your f**king bullshit. Your entire argument forbwhy I should bend over and take it up the ass to accept gay marriage is f**king bullshit. Not in one spot in the Bible does the Old or New testament state to change God's laws to conform with society or the world view in order to make other people feel good about their sins. It fact the Bivle warns us to not do that very thing.

The Bible states that a man shall not lay with another man as he would his wife. So until you can provide any scripture that states we are to forget what God has told us and conform to the world view, or even that homosexuality is not a sin, than I will stand proudly by my faith and against gay marriage and will refuse to do anything that supports their sinful act.

Read my other comment, hypocrit

No you clearly do not understand. Just because you are willing to change your religious beliefs to conform to society, that doesn't mean that is what I should do or what Jesus did.

Turning the other cheek does not mean what you think it means. It doesn't mean to give up and let someone else have their way because it is easier. It means using no more force than what the other is using against you. So if they are trying to force me to change my beliefs and force their views onto me, then I am allowed to do the same with my beliefs unto them.

This is not about throwing a temper tantrum either. It is about protecting my rights, my beliefs and God's law. Nothing anywhere in the Bible states I should conform to the world view with my beliefs just to please others.

I feel like you get the impression that if other people are happy, i cannot be happy, when really, the opposite is true. Im not conforming to anything, im am treating others with the respect that they deserve as humans, the right to marry as well, because their relationship doesnt effect me. When there was debate about women getting voting rights nobody said "Whats next? A dog?" because thats rediculous and of anyone said it they wouldnt be taken seriously. Would God look down on the earth to see people repressed of their love, constant death sentences for rediculous things and say "I did good today". If you really want to stay rooted in your faith, go join the WBC, you dont want to conform to society after all and you seem to share their ideals. And out of curiousity, how many lines in the Bible ban slavery vrs condone it? You are just being selfish in your pursuit to illegalize gay marriage, you want to take away their oppurtunity for love because THEY wont CONFORM to you! You are a hypocrit and generally the reason why so many prople see Christianity as a hate group as apposed to a religion

You really know hack shit when it comes to the Bible. Things changed for how we are suppose to live from the moment Jesus started His preaching. Women were held as equals to when from Jesus's perspective. Jesus never sentenced anyone to death for their sins. You need to stop confusing the Laws of Moses (that were erased with the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ) with the laws that Jesus taught us.

BTW, I can still love someone without condoning what they do. It is called loving the sinner not the sin. If you had an ounce of intelligence when reading the Bible, you would know that.

There is no arguing with you, clearly you do not seek peace and you do seek conflict. If you wish to stifle love for your own purposes, fine. All im saying is that if there is a God, he would rather we find a way to find peace outside of conflict, turn the other cheek is the way to go. But American Christians will just throw yemper tantrums until they get it their way. Im not with this argument, think of somebodies right other than your own.

Who's taking away your rights? A right to deny service on the basis of sexual orientation is not a right, its just being a dick. And you do realize that marriage isnt for the sole purpose of pro-creation, its about love.

This just shows your ignorance. You don't think it is wrong to force someone to do something that is against their religion? That is what is happening when you force pastors to perform same sex marriages. So when pastors are being forced to perform same sex marriages it also forces churches to change their faith and practice. So with the government legalizing same sex marriage, it is actually telling churches what they are allowed to believe and practice, so therefor is a violation of separation of church and state.

Marriage was not designed for the rights given by the government. If the government created marriage, then why did it also need to create civil unions?

BTW, the love excuse leaves many other marriage options open, such as multiple husbands/wives, child love, and bestiality. Before you try to claim it won't every happen, a man in Nevada has already sued to be able to apply to have 2 wives at the same time and people have started to state that loving minors shouldn't be considered a mental disease but should be considered normal.

Think again, in Canada and the UK, Christians make up a majority of the population, and im not hearing any outrage, because its a celebration of love, and all that American christians want to do is stomp on it because its your "fundimental rights".

And not pull the "Child love, bestiality" shit on me, its a matter of consent, children who are not of the age of consent are not allow for mental reasons, not religious reasons. And animals cannot consent, never have, never will. As for poligamy, as long as all affiliats consent, why not? Its not hurting you, and im sure you know there were many polygamists in the Bible, right?

First off, I never said all, I said some. Learn to read.

Age of consent can be changed, just like what they did to the defintion of marriage. And animals can show affection and love. They can also refuse when they feel abuse. So yes animals can consent.

Just because poligomy is mentioned in the Bible, that doesn't mean it was condoned. And before you try to bring up Abraham, he only had one wife while all the others held a status that was lower than a wife. So it is not considered the same thing and was more of a cultural thing than a religious thing.

The age of consent is very unlikely to change for multiple reasons:
1. The brain is not fully developed until the late teens
2. Pregnancy is very dangerous and can even be fatal if the mother is too young
3. Children have gaurdians that make descisions for them until the age of consent

And no! Animals can not consent! Thats just you trying to prove your own point, if you went our in public and asked people if animals could consent, theyd think your a nutjob that belongs in a mental asylum! No, just no!

1- people's brains start deteriorating at a certain age. So she there be a cap of when people can get married because of this?
2- pregnancy can be dangerous for the mother and child after a certain age, so should there be a cap on age for marriage because of this as well?
3- if this was valid, there would be no teen pregnancies, teen suicides, or other teen tragedies.
These are just some of the arguments people can easily use against your arguments.

Prove to me that an animal does not show emotion and love or that they try to defend themselves if they are abused. Would consent be considered someone allowing something to happen while being fully concious and aware of what is going on? How can an animal not do the same thing? Just because they can't talk, that doesn't mean they can't consent. If you base your entire argument on the ability to verbally speak, than sex with any mute person would be considered rape.

Oh f**k dude, you realize that you are just trything to justify animal and child love because you cant handle gay marriage!

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What you are doing is wrong and disgusting. Animals cannot consent because we dont know if they understamd what is going on, so no, stop. Child consent again, no thats just f**king wrong, imagine if you have children before saying shit like this.

How about you f**king listen up asshole. All I am doing is using the same type of arguments homosexuals used for gay marriage. When it came to procreation, they used the excuse that not all straight couples are capable of having kids. They used divorce against Christians, as if everyone who ever got a divorce was religious. I am not trying to justify anything. I am just using the same f**king arguments homosexuals have used for years, and what I can see pedophiles and animal f**kers will be using, if they haven't been already.

CONSENT CONSENT CONSENT CONSENT CONSENT CONSENT CONSENT CONSENT That is why pedos and bestys arguments dont work, they may use the same arguemts but that doesnt mean that it works! With gay marriage, its 2 consenting adults, not one consenting adult and a child, not one consenting adult and an animal, 2 CONSENTING adults!

You can't prove that an animal can't consent, where as I can. If you pick up a cat and it struggles to be let go, that means it does not consent to being picked up. If you grab a dog and start forcing it to do something it don't like, it will start growling and probably start attacking you to show it doesn't consent. There are many other ways to show consent or not. Just because you don't like it, that doesn't mean it can't happen.

There are many ways a child can show consent, and prove that they understand what is taking place.

It is clearly obvious that you don't f**king understand a f**king thing that I have stating. It is not that I am trying to condone anythjng, just showing you what arguments will take place. Just because you claim somethig isn't going to happen, that doesn't mean it won't or it hasn't.