Buddy Christ

All volunteers! Free choice is the the only thing that is relevant. I suppose you'd prefer to have your destiny predetermined? His beloved creations (including me) have chosen to have it our way, but he gracefully forgives and forgets if we only accept his free gift to us.

I'm sure the mafia offers a similar choice= Pay your "protection dues" or something unfortunate might happen. ;)
But I suppose it's sometimes difficult to see when others manipulate you into making the choices they want you to make and behaving the way they want you to behave.

He paid the full price for our protection. Not manipulation, just a choice with consequences up or down. As the creator and sustainer of all life, he has the right to behave the way he wishes. We as the created are not in charge. Not a bad deal at all for us actually ;-)

So you're telling me that the threat of punishment or the promise of reward (consequences) does not alter behavior? Another curiosity is how his believers follow his example of "being in charge" over others. Let's pretend I'm wrong, and there actually is a god (in the christian sense) and he blessed me with logic and observstion. Let's pretend he made this way, and I come to the conclusion based on the observations that are obvious to me as he has designed for me to interpret them, because he's god he can make anything possible. Yet, per his design he damns me to hell for being who he designed me to be. Does that sound like a rational, understanding, loving, and all knowing god?

God gives you the power to change your behavior and destination if you want him to. Sov the answer is no if you are too proud to humble yourself and acknowledge him. He designed you to believe and not be damned. If you choose poorly, that is not him being irrational or unloving. Just you. Why do you blame him for your choices or that he gave you one?

There is no choice with logic.

Hell created for Satan and his angels - not for us.

Who he created it for is irrelevant. He sends his "beloved" creations there for not believing in him. That's a scumbag thing to do. ;)