Good Guy Greg

"Stupid Flanders getting happiness from religion"-homer

That would be the way to do it.

To whoever downvoted: I was kidding. Christianity is okay without its bad followers.

thats not good. i would like women to be able to speak freely, mind you.

If your child swears at you you're meant to kill them right? Is that a christian thing?

That's actually an old testament thing. Pre Christ Jewish law.

Why does it matter what testament it's in? People follow the whole book.

Many people follow their church and never read the book. A lot of passages from the Bible are taken out of context and used to sway people one way or the other. The bottom line is that, according to the New Testament, Christians are to live according to Christ's teachings. Jesus even made the point that following certain Old Testament laws and not others, was inappropriate if they accepted him as their savior. Basically you either accept Christ as your savior or you follow the Old Testament to the letter. No one has ever followed the Old Testament to the letter, which is why Jesus saves.

So it's in the bible but you're meant to ignore it? And either way you still see christians refusing to serve gays or christians making anti gay advertisements on buses etc.

I'm no Bible scholar, but I've read it and I certainly don't dismiss the old testament. I try to live like Christ would. Obviously I fall woefully short every day, as do all Christians. I'm sure there are plenty of gay Christians that are judgemental also. Seriously, who doesn't judge others on some level. Sometimes it's for all the right reasons and sometimes it's for all the wrong reasons.

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I found a few quotes online.
Leviticus 20:9
If there is anyone who curses his father or his mother, he shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother, his bloodguiltiness is upon him.
Matthew 15:4
For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.'
Exodus 21:17
"Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.
Proof enough?

I'm not saying it's the meaning of the entire book, for example if there is a good movie that has a few shitty boring bits then it would get a lower review score.

There are definitely "shitty boring bits" in the bible. But there are far more gripping enthralling bits.

By shitty boring bits in the film I'm comparing them to the controversial discriminative bits in the bible and not actual boring bits in it.

There's definitely harh stuff in the Old Testament. Not so in the New Testament. Jesus put an end to that which is a big part of why he was so unpopular with the Pharisees. Jesus didn't just preach tolerance, he practiced it. He embraced everyone. Except for the Pharisees.

So why didn't he embrace the Pharisees? Aren't they human beings like everyone else?

He did embrace the Pharisees (as you can see with Nocodemus), but they were the religious leaders at the time so Jesus wasn't too popular with them to put it lightly.

That's correct. So what were the Pharisees doing that Jesus disapproved of so much?

Rekt

you're leaving yourself open to the shit comeback, "oh, well that's the old testament." read the shit about how women need to shut the f**k up in the new one. its in timothy.

It's the internet so we shouldn't trust it.
One Christian published this bullshit

dude, I've read the bible...It says exactly that. However, Jesus taught us to forgive each other, which meant that execution would be behind them

K den

Ikr. Even yin yang and the symbol of peace which are completely innocent xD

You can trust things if they have multiple sources, just google any of the verses i listed.

So are those the only verses you've read in the entire bible?

Those are the only verses i found when i searched "christian kill your child if they swear at you" into google.

So if I pull out one or two things out of a book or movie I've never read or seen, Star Wars for example, and then I made the notion that Luke had an evil clone in a Darth Vader suit because the only scene I saw was the one where he fights his worst fear in Episode V. Would that be the correct viewpoint, judging by only one scene?

No, that would be one viewing point. If a movie was overall good but had a few shitty bits then it would get a lower review score.

But how do you know that they might've just been having something on their mind or been tired while they were watching it and therefore didn't understand?

If that happens with multiple people (which is unlikely) then that would still be the fault of the movie because it's either not engaging enough or still too confusing.

So how is the Bible not evidence?

It's a book written by some random guy, just cause it says it's the word of god doesn't mean it is.

Exactly. So now there are two options to believe, either a) the movie has those flaws that you just said, which is the reason why this unlikely event has happened, or b) it's just a big coincidence. So if we use this same logic with the creation of the universe, we could either believe a) that the reason of this unlikely event happening is because there is indeed a creator, or b) it's all just a coincidence and the universe just blasted into everything from particles which had no reason to even be moving in the first place. So, if you believe that A is the answer to the first question, why does it make sense to say that A is the answer to the second question?

Because they're different things, one is blatently obvious (the movie being bad) and the other is up to debate (god).
But if you look at the reasons behind both then it's easiest to see how they are different.
The film probably had a low budget or was just not very well thought through but there is no evidence of god except for the bible which in my opinion isn't evidence.
One has evidence, the other doesn't. That's how they're different.

I see. There's one problem. How do you know that they're not saying that because they didn't understand the movie? There's multiple reasons why people would talk bad about of a good movie. Maybe it's nd underrated movie that nobody likes because someone popular doesn't like it, or maybe they have something against that movie for whatever reason. How do you know that the movie is still going to be bad?

It doesn't matter why the movies bad *cough* discrimination *cough* (jk) it only matters that the movies are bad and i shouldn't bother to watch it.

But wouldnt that be judging a movie just because someone told you it's bad? It's possible that the person who tells you a movie is bad is judging by just one scene like I said earlier. For example, take the movie Cabin in the Woods, which purposely poses as a bad movie. Say, you ask your friend about it who's seen it on Netflix. Say, behind the scenes, he stopped watching the movie in the middle of it because it had too many crappy scenes, but he never got to the part where it revealed the reason for all the crappy scenes. He tells you that it's one of the worst movies he's seen in his life. So now you have a choice, take his word for it, or see for yourself why he thinks it sucks?

That's the movies fault for having shitty bits at the start

So would that still stop you from watching the movie?

Yep

But how do you know that it's not because said person gets confused easily?

I'd check to see if others get confused just as easily.

Why?

Because it has shitty bits in it

I've seen things like that before. Just go to a church (not a bad church, but a good church, although sometimes it can be a bit hard to find one nowadays) Heck, lately at my church sometimes you see people drop left and right, as a matter of fact I myself was once in that position. I went through a lot, most of it wasn't really PG rated. Sometimes God speaks through people and I know it because he when he speaks to people through others, you know it's to you because he accurately describes your situation and sometimes others' at the same time. I know people who have regrown toes, stood on thin air when they weren't paying attention while walking, and gotten out of situations normally people wouldn't be able to get out of.

I know it sounds like a load of bullcrap but when it happens you will know it.

And when it does, and that isn't proof enough, then I really don't know how you would ever be convinced.

Well until that happens to me i will remain athiest

But how can you judge a movie and give it that score if you've only seen one scene?

You can't but that movie will still have that scene and that will make it worse, if you hear from friends that that movie has several bad scenes you're less likely to watch it even if it has some good scenes.

So what do you think would qualify as proof?

Anything that completely defied all logic and science, not like a magician though. Someone who could actually do miracles and stuff.

But even the best movies of all time aren't perfect, and you don't know if they really are crappy because you haven't seen the movie. So why would you not see a movie just because it has crappy parts like every other movie?

If it has multiple crappy parts that make the whole movie not worth watching then i wouldn't watch it. Every movie has crappy parts but in some there are only 1 or 2 and in others they are so minor you don't even notice the,.

But how do you know that there are that many crappy parts?

Friend told me, i google it, internet tells me.

Well of course there would be others who get confused just as easily, I mean, there are 7 billion people on the planet. So, why would you not watch the movie?

Because there would be others who aren't confused as easily who still got confused.

But if it's on the Internet, you still have the same problem. And plus, if you just google for the crappy scenes, it would be foolish to just assume that that scene is what it meant, going back to the first question I asked about the scene of Luke in a Darth vader costume. So would you really risk not seeing a good movie just because someone said it was bad on the Internet?

I'd look on somewhere like metacritic and if the score is 20/100 then i wouldn't watch it.

But what if it's only that rating because it's extremely underrated just because someone reall popular doesn't like it?

Well then I'd watch it and make my own decision or find someone who isn't biased.

But how do you know that person isn't biassed? And even if he isn't, what if he just doesn't understand the movie?

That's still a bad movie because of the confusing plot.

If it's a book by some random guy, then why does it perfectly describe certain points of hundreds of years, such as the fall of Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon which was recorded in more than just the Bible, and that the Hebrews were once slaves to the Egyptians, which was recorded on a few of the walls of ancient tombs? Especially during a time when we didn't have historians or archaeologists like we do today?

So it commented on a few events, doesn't mean it's proof.
For example:
There was a war
People died
Some guys invented a car
If you don't worship me then you shall suffer forever
Is that concrete proof?

Not say A I meant to say

It meant that they're going to die at some point cuz they did something wrong.
But we're all going to die at some point so not that many people give a F*ck.

Put to death, not just die but put to death, the equivalent of a death sentance.

Ok, I understand that this sounds harsh, but please consider:

-that we don't fully understand how serious sin is.

A parent represents "God" to their children. If a child curses a parent, it's like cursing God. The Bible is written to show us how serious sin against God is, so that we will understand (not just in a superficial way) how deeply we need forgiveness.

I don't see why this rule about stoning children is unreasonable to have in place when the norm was trusting in God and obeying parents.

There's no record in the Bible of these punishments ever being carried out.

If a sin leads to death then it's a pretty serious sin
Even if you do swear at god that's still a pretty bad punishment
There's no record of the punishments being carried out in the bible but it still says you'll be put to death.

I understand the way you're thinking about it. It does sound really harsh.

I think the main point I was trying to get at was to encourage you to think of it from the point of view of the Bible "worldview" and think about why it might be in there. Rather than just assuming the Bible should be outright dismissed because it has some rules that seem super harsh (not saying you would do that, but some people do).