(tell spinel and sprout -MC)

wait what's wrong

idk

basically moxxie is hiding potential proof of him being a toan supporter (i'm saying "potential" so it's not sure) but when i posted a FAIR ban vote for him, most of the stream either had a 1 IQ moment or followed spinel/moxxie and decided that my ban vote was not fair.... whatever.

then spinel made a vote to ban ME without any authorization and he was demoted but then he was given mod again without any vote for some reason. (fun fact! spinel was owner before, then there was a demotion vote to remove from spinel both owner AND mod, and even if the majority of the people who voted said "demote", for some reason, he kept his mod)

while moxxie instead was briefly banned by Chaos after he discovered he was domingo before, but then domingo said that he was a double agent against toan with no proof and people just believed him.

people will tell you that i'm on the wrong here, but i genuinely challenge everyone to find a single rule infraction in my actions

Well. It’s actually true that you’re in the wrong.

and why's that?

and why are you still mod?
and why are you not banned?
and why was i demoted?

nvm forget the last one

You’re the one that started drama two times, tried to ban me and Domingo for no reason whatsoever, and is now being told to shut your mouth and stop by Wubboc.

I’m still mod because of the reason I previously told you.

I’m not banned because I haven’t done any wrong that warrants a ban, and if you try to give a reason on it, that claim will be easily overturned.

Here’s a few things to start: You can’t call me a TOAA supporter, you can’t call me a mod abuser (because I never did any actual moderation action against you), you can’t say that I hosted and acted on an invalid poll because i removed the poll, issued an apology to both you and Wubboc for the miscommunication (since I told Cosmo about the poll and was later told no by Chaos, another owner), and never actually done anything more than just host a poll in the form of a post, and you can’t say that I started any drama when you’re the one who started it in the first place.

i didn't try to ban you yet and both you and domingo have a reason to be banned

even after making a vote without authorization you're still mod? why? also the demotion vote specifically said it would have removed both mod and owner from you, but you still kept your mod after that, why?

"that claim will be easily overturned" i wouldn't be so sure about that

"you can’t call me a mod abuser (because I never did any actual moderation action against you)" well yes you actually did, and even if it wasn't against me that wouldn't make you less of a mod abuser

oh so you just have to apologize and everything is fine? too bad it didn't work on toan when we unbanned you.

you started drama multiple times in the past tho, and always got unbanned for some reason
my goal was not to start drama but to ban a supporter, the reason drama was born was because of you and moxxie who just decided you weren't ok with it, this is like mafia

1: you still don’t have an actual reason to ban both me and Domingo.

2 and 3: I never did any actual moderation actions directly against you. If I was mod abusing, I would’ve disapproved your posts, deleted your comments, and would’ve stopped your poll regarding Domingo. Which that never happened, and even if I did host the poll, I never did any further action regarding the poll, so I never mod abused directly against you. I am once more saying this to you, in case of you didn’t see already: WUBBOC SAID THAT YOUR DEMANDS TO ENTIRELY DEMOTE ME WAS “TOO CRUEL”, AND ONLY REMOVED THE OWNER POSITON. Cry about it and deal with it.

3 A: After posting the poll, I told Cosmo about the poll and was waiting on her response to it, so it wasn’t my fault that I was waiting on Cosmo because she was the only apparent online person. I was later told no by Chaos, which then led me to delete the poll and issue an apology to both you and Wubboc, if you haven’t already seen.

4: At least I wouldn’t be racist, homophobic, and all the other things that TOAA had done, unlike himself. At least I don’t have the mental intent to hurt someone or break the law. If something happens, I apologize, don’t expect to be forgiven, if I was, I’d be grateful for such forgiveness, and actually learn something, unlike TOAA.

5: That’s where you’re wrong. I never started any past drama. And if I did, it was only one time, and that was even before I came to this stream. I only JOINED in existing drama because I was hurt because of the drama and joined to defend myself. For instance, the System drama. She was the one who hurt me and broke the rules, and I removed her post because she was breaking the rules, not me. She responded by banning me, hence why the New Undertale exists. I’m not the one who starts all the drama. You’re just looking for someone to blame other than the actual cause.

1: i do, you just refuse to accept it

2: you still hoste the vote without authorization, claiming that being a former owner gave you any kind of power

3: you should have posted the vote AFTER receiving an answer, who does something and asks for permission later? that's beyond the concept of common sense

4: that's just moralism and isn't relevant to what we're talking about now

5: tell that to any og, i wonder if they have the same version of the story

1: I’m dropping this for the sake of my mental health.

2: Correct, though I should’ve thought more into requesting before acting.

3: You can be against my method, but I hosted the poll, and then would’ve put the poll to official action after the general public agreed afterwards saying to an existing owner that “the mean majority agrees on one action, do you approve of this action?”. In this case, the majority was already in agreement and I was denied by Chaos, which led me to veto the poll and issue the apology. Yes, modern politics do this. In the United States, a sitting president and make an amendment and have the general public agree on it yet it can be denied by a branch of government, and vice versa with the general public agreeing on something yet a branch of government or the president can deny it.

4: You’re the one that questioned overall morals, so you got a moralistic answer, to my understanding of what you asked for. If I am wrong with that interpretation, I apologize for misinterpreting your question.

5: Wubboc and Chaos.

We are done with this conversation.

Do note that I’m not all knowing of the law, but I do know parts of U.S. law when it comes to finding guilt in crimes. That’s called finding “Mens Rea” (Guilty Mind) and “Actus Reus” (Guilty Act).

"we are done with this conversation" (- spinel 2026)

What’s the problem with me leaving a note abt me not being experienced with law all the time?

ok spinel tell us your side of the story if you want to point fingers.

Fine then.

I decided to go on IMGFlip for once and see that Sprout was targeting Domingo unfairly and she was trying to force him to confess something that he never did. This entire thing escalated until she hosted a ban vote and was clearly losing, she deleted comments on the poll, the poll got overruled, and then I decided to jump in and act on her ridicule behavior and hosted a ban poll, which was later removed (and I never did any moderation action against sprout, so you can’t say that I banned her when I never did anything more than just post the poll), made a direct apology to both parties (sprout and Wubboc), pointed out Sprout in the same post, and that was it, and now Sprout wants to ban me for no reason other than the things that I did because I jumped in and later made an apology statement, when she should be banned because she was the one who started drama two times and has gotten to the point where Wubboc is telling her to stop.

Not my fault on any of this, I only jumped in at the wrong time.

" she was trying to force him to confess something that he never did."
well first of all you could be more specific, second i wasn't trying to make anyone confess anything, i just wanted to know the answers to the questions i asked

" made a direct apology to both parties (sprout and Wubboc)"
being sorry doesn't cancel what you did

" and now Sprout wants to ban me for no reason"
excuse me when did i say that?

"she was the one who started drama two times and has gotten to the point where Wubboc is telling her to stop."

i did NOT start drama, i started a ban vote, you and moxxie where the ones who made the whole thing escalate, it should have stopped at my ban vote whatever the answer would have been

First of all, you DID start drama with targeting Domingo for no reason other than you think he was a TOAA supporter.

Second of all, you just admitted to mod abusing if things didn’t go your way.

you misinterpreted, i said that things should have stopped at my ban vote whatever the answer would have been, i did NOT say that it should have ended with moxxie banned.

i just meant that my ban vote shouldn't have caused any escalation and should have stopped all this thing about moxxie, wheter people voted to ban him or unban him.

i did not mean that whatever people voted moxxie would have get banned anyways

Well, i apologize for my misinterpretation.

it's ok

..um....well I am not on either side because I wasn't there. please talk it out with each other nicely...and please don't fight.