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sizzling hot take | Taking estrogen is an awful thing to do to yourself due to the fact that it has many many awful side effects and can literally alter your DNA, along with the fact that we should be encouraging people to be confident in themselves instead of offering up drugs to change yourself in order to feel good about your own body. Taking estrogen as a male can cause and is known to cause erectile dysfunction, extreme mood swings, and depression. I know some of you are going to come at me with 'body dysmorphia', but it's the same as Chest Binders. They're horrible for you. A male body is not meant to have high amounts of estrogen and doing so causes the body to try to change its form and cause serious harm to itself. It can also make
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3 ups, 3w,
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I don't believe wanting to change your body necessarily mean that you "hate" it or yourself. If anything, being willing to change yourself into who you want to be should be seen as more of a sign of one's own self-love, as you are becoming, at least in your own eyes, the best version of yourself. Estrogen is mainly used by trans women because they've been told by conservatives for years that having a body of a male makes you a man, and there was nothing you could do to change that. In the end, we're talking about other people's bodies here, not our own. These potential side effects that you've listed don't really matter in the long run if it means theses people can be who they truly aspire to be.
Speaking of side effects, could you cite your sources from where you attained them, please? I'm not saying I'm denying them in any way, but it would be nice if you were to do so, as to clear any doubt or confusion.
2 ups, 3w,
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https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/treatment/hormone-therapy/side-effects-men

https://www.breastcancer.org/risk/risk-factors/high-estrogen-in-men

You make a good point as well, I appreciate your thoughts. I just believe that everyone is perfect the way they are, and I can’t stand the thought of people I like thinking they have to change themselves (my girlfriend specifically)
2 ups, 3w
I also get where you're coming from, to an extent. When I was younger, I used to think the changes people made to their appearance was indicative that they didn't like themselves or their bodies. Now, I see it through a different lens. To me, adding accessories (tattoos, piercings, different body mods, etc.) to, or altering one's own body is usually just a more striking way for one to express themselves; who they truly feel like.
0 ups, 3w,
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I don't think it's about changing ourselves, at least I don't feel like that. It's about having our bodies reflect who we truly are. It's dysphoria (NOT body dysmorphia, which is a totally different thing. When you start being euphoric in your gender, which is basically the opposite of dysphoric, you don't have the feeling that you need to change. When you have body dysmorphia, you perceive your body differently from how it actually is, which is why some people with body dysmorphia still think they're too fat even though they are underweight. Body dysmorphia is actually a mental disorder, gender dysphoria is NOT.) and euphoria. I also don't think it's about changing herself for your girlfriend, even though I certainly don't know her, so I can't judge that.
It's not about hating ourselves or not loving ourselves. Saying so can really invalidate trans people's experiences.
I'm also not a big advocate for treating everything with drugs, but HRT is an entirely different thing here.
The aspects of infertility and erectile dysfunction are correct, but there are ways. First, most transfems don't care about erectile dysfunction. Second, sperm banking is usually an option, which makes the infertility bit almost irrelevant.
About depression: most people feel way better with gender affirming care, leading to depression rates actually DECREASING.
Also, male and female bodies are more similar than one might think, and we have countless examples of HRT actually enriching people's lives.

I appreciate your thoughts, though I don't agree at all. I just wanted to point all those things out, but I DON'T want to start a debate, since debates exhaust me and I always force myself to reply, which makes it even worse. So please don't start a debate. I just wanted to correct some things and point things out.
Have a nice day!
0 ups, 3w
Ok
1 up, 3w,
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1 up, 3w
Geeb more like DWEEB
0 ups, 3w
This, this is the right answer (in my opinion)
0 ups, 3w
this.
1 up, 3w,
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2 ups, 3w,
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You’re pathetic lowk
0 ups, 3w,
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What do you mean?
1 up, 3w,
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‘No one should take drugs to entertain their own self hatred’
And you’re jus saying no
1 up, 3w,
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It’s a joke, I personally do feel like HRT would help me feel better, but I understand your opinion on the subject. I myself don’t agree is all
1 up, 3w
Okie dokie
0 ups, 3w,
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Ok are we deadass
0 ups, 3w,
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Maybe, i personally don’t agree with it but i understand potassium’s view on it
0 ups, 3w
Hmm ok
1 up, 3w,
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*procedes to take even more hormones*
0 ups, 3w,
1 reply
Hilarious
0 ups, 3w,
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dawg i don't take hormones and plus im a biological female (sadly)
0 ups, 3w,
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Try to make the most out of your experience and life instead of hating it
0 ups, 3w
....sure. I'll try.
0 ups, 3w,
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then again, some people dont mind the infertility bit. plus, people have free will. if it causes them harm later in life, thats their choice. and the mood swings/depression are likely situational, as i do have trans friends on estrogen im close with who are the same before and after, maybe just a bit hapier nowadays.
1 up, 3w,
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It doesn’t matter if you don’t care about fertility, if you take a drug that affects your reproductive system so detrimentally that it causes it to shut down entirely, maybe it’s not too good for you
0 ups, 3w
either way many people do take it and are fine so like i dont see the problem
0 ups, 3w,
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I mean, some people it may form a better way to escape worse outcomes in the field of depression.
Maybe not, I'm not an expert.
But I feel like it shouldn't be a "shut it down because it's all bad", more of a, think about this really hard.
Open to criticism
1 up, 3w,
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A field of depression shouldn’t be met with affirmation for the depressing self deprecating thoughts
0 ups, 3w
I mean, I would like to see your source for this. Just to look into this further. Because I mean... If it's chemical depression, then yeah, you kinda need meds for that, but like, if there are social reasons why you are depressed, I feel like things can change some way or another
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Taking estrogen is an awful thing to do to yourself due to the fact that it has many many awful side effects and can literally alter your DNA, along with the fact that we should be encouraging people to be confident in themselves instead of offering up drugs to change yourself in order to feel good about your own body. Taking estrogen as a male can cause and is known to cause erectile dysfunction, extreme mood swings, and depression. I know some of you are going to come at me with 'body dysmorphia', but it's the same as Chest Binders. They're horrible for you. A male body is not meant to have high amounts of estrogen and doing so causes the body to try to change its form and cause serious harm to itself. It can also make males become infertile permanently. No one should take drugs to entertain their own self hatred.