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The United States has the strongest military what are you talking about vro.

On paper they do.

The US Air Force is the largest in the WORLD, which is f**king proven with numbers, and the U.S. Navy has more aircraft’s than the rest of the world combined, which is also f**king proven, with numbers.
Keep in mind our m budget for the military is around 900 billion dollars, so it makes sense that we have massive technological advancements over everyone else.
We have over 700 military bases outside of the US, and cuz of certain alliances our global presence is even more amplified

So it’s not just “on paper”, we ARE the strongest.

And yet the US military hasn't won a war since 1945...

Firstly, that’s just a very lazy and pathetic response parroting internet biases. Second, the US has had VERY clear military victories post 1945; Korea, Iraq, the Balkans, Panama, anti-ISIS ops - all of those met their military objectives. Not every modern conflict is about total conquest anymore, in case you haven’t noticed!
And more importantly, military power - which is what this argument is about not how many wars we’ve won - isn’t measured by how messy insurgent wars end. It’s measured by capability, dominance, and global reach, all of which the US has maintained for DECADES.
Literally no one of this f**king Earth is prepared to fight the US in a conventional war. That shit isn’t “on paper”, it’s why we’re never challenged directly .

You consider foreign imperialistic interference as 'military victories' then you've just proved my point.

America didn't 'win' anything in Iraq and Americans veterans will tell you that themselves. The US lost after destroying Iraq's government and destabilising the country. Just like the US lost in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Somalia and Cuba.

Sure the US is 'the strongest' military in the world. But they are FAR from the 'best' or 'most successful'.
Strongest doesn't mean being invincible.

I think you’re confusing military success with foreign policy ethics and nation-building failures. I’m arguing about the strength and effectiveness of the US military - not whether the US should’ve been involved in those conflicts in the first place.
“Intervention" and “imperialism” are political critiques, not measurements of military success. You’re literally dodging my entire argument. The question was about the strength and capability of the US military, not the morality of US foreign policy. Two different conversations.
The US DID achieve its STATED military objectives in Iraq in 1991, in Panama, against ISIS, and in countless operations - whether you like the politics behind them or not. You’re moving from “they haven’t won a war” to “they won but I didn’t like it”.
And Korea was NOT a loss, even if it wasn’t the clearest victory, you cannot identify it as a loss. South Korea still exists as a thriving democracy, exactly what UN forces (also led by the US btw) fought for. The only reason you can’t see it as a win is because there wasn’t a straightforward conquest - again, this isn’t f**king 1940.

And not once have I said that America is invincible. No one is. However I will not back down from my argument that we are the most globally dominant, technologically advanced, and far-reaching military on planet Earth, which you somehow continue to overlook because they don’t wage colonial-style wars.

I would believe you if the year was 2003. Since we're in 2025 and the US is a crumbling empire and rapidly loosing friends and soft power I'll have to laugh your argument off.

America hasn't won a war since 1945 (A war the we and the Soviets did mos of the fighting in long before you lot showed up at the end just to seal the deal) and I'll stand by that. It doesn't matter how you define success. It doesn't matter how many foreign powers you meddle with or how many governments you overthrow. It always ends the same, with American troops running away and the politicians and military fanboys crying about "muh lack of public will."

>we are the most globally dominant
Nope, that would be China.

>most technologically advanced
Whoop de doo, still hasn't won you a war.

>most far-reaching military on planet Earth
So? How is that a measure of success?

>which you somehow continue to overlook because they don’t wage colonial-style wars.
America only ever engages in colonial wars bud. Americans just lie and call it 'spreading freedom and democracy' whatever that means. All of which you've failed to do in every single country you've tried it in.

I don’t know who you’re mourning to be this f**king slow but holy shit ! You’ve derailed this conversation so far off I don’t think you even understand what my point ever was.
Okay . I don’t even fully disagree, because we HAVE weakened due to our shitty government, but economically, militarily, and diplomatically, the U.S. is still the leading global power. “Crumbling empire” is an ignorant overstatement.
1. The U.S. has the largest military budget in the world like I’ve mentioned before, more than the next 10 countries combined.
2. The dollar remains the global reserve currency.
3. The US anchors most of the world’s key alliances: NATO, AUKUS, Five Eyes, and more.
4. There are over 750 U.S. military bases around the globe, meanwhile most countries have zero!
5. And the obvious: the U.S. continues to lead in soft power: tech, media, culture, higher education, global finance. You can keep calling it “crumbling” all you want, but the reality is that American power still shapes the global system.
You said “America hasn’t won a war since 1940” which is just not true.
1. Gulf War in 1991: The US and its allies forced Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait in six f**king weeks. Their goal was to kick out Iraqi forces, and that is exactly what they did. Tens of thousands of Iraqi soldiers were killed/wounded, while fewer than 300 coalition soldiers died. That is victory by every MILITARY STANDARD.
2. Panama in 1989: The US attacked Panama to get rid of dictator Manuel Noriega and bring back democracy. They caught Noriega and put in a new government. The whole thing took less than two weeks. That’s a CLEAR military success.
3. Kosovo in 1999: NATO, mostly led by the US, bombed Serbia to stop them from killing ethnic groups. After 78 days, Serbian forces left Kosovo, and the UN took control of the area. The US didn't even need to send soldiers on the ground. They achieved their objective.
4. The ISIS campaign from 2014 to 2019: The US worked with Iraqi, Kurdish, and other allies to destroy ISIS's territorial control. They took back all the major cities and land ISIS controlled. ISIS went from claiming an area as big as the UK to just hiding in small groups underground. The goal was to eliminate their territory, and what did they do? Exactly that.

There's no point in me re-saying what I've already said about this in full so I'll make it brief and then exist this convo because you are too deluded and frankly boring for me to engage in productive dialogue with any further about the US military.

>America hasn't won an actual war since 1945
>America's military 'victories' are in overthrowing governments and fighting farmers
>The Dollar is only the reserve currency of less than half the world
>American dominance of media and technology is a thing of the past
>America's military is big and ineffective. If even half that money that's being spent on weapons got spent of healthcare then Americans might not die of diseases that the rest of the western world solved centuries ago.
>Diplomatically America is weaker than China and the UK.

ok this isn’t going anywhere
I don’t think either of us are going to change our minds so just forget it

And mind you these are not obscure conflicts. They’re modern large-scale operations with clear and concise military objectives that were successfully completed.
Then you said “America only ever engages in colonial wars”, which is f**king false . Yes, U.S. foreign policy has imperialist tendencies, I agree with that, but to claim EVERY SINGLE military engagement is colonial is false. The U.S. has responded to collective defense calls (like Korea), led humanitarian operations (like Somalia and Bosnia), and participated in peacekeeping missions under international mandates. Even anti-terrorism campaigns post-9/11, while flawed, were not classic colonial invasions. You can critique U.S. foreign policy without reducing every mission to a conquest smartass !

Okay, and then you said, “China is the most globally dominant.” No! Biggest military yes, but we have a much bigger global presence, which you would know if you retained any of what I’ve been explaining.
1. China has no military alliance structure like NATO. The US has formal military partners ALL over the globe.
2. China has only one overseas base in Djibouti while the US has hundreds.
3. The US leads in aircraft carriers, stealth tech, air power, nuclear subs, space warfare capabilities, logistics, and global power projection.
4. Even China’s economy, as big as it is, still relies heavily on the US-led trade systems, global choke points protected by US forces, and dollar-based finance.
So no! China is not “more dominant” ! Not militarily, not diplomatically, not culturally.
THEN you said “technological advantage hasn’t won you a war.” First of all, there’s no way you actually f**king think that. The US has used its technology to win wars in the Gulf War, Panama, Kosovo, and against ISIS. Just because the US lost in Vietnam and Afghanistan doesn't cancel out these successful operations. Those losses happened because of bad political decisions and poor long-term planning, not because the US military wasn't strong or effective enough !
I think you’ve forgotten what we’re even debating about: the strength of the US military. It is why the homeland remains so secure, and why peer adversaries refuse to confront the US directly. You can dislike American imperialism (I do too), but these are all facts. The US military HAS won wars since 1945, HAS maintained global dominance, and continues to shape the world order, whether we like how it’s used or not. If you’re arguing morality, say that. Because I’m not.

>And mind you these are not obscure conflicts. They’re modern large-scale operations with clear and concise military objectives that were successfully completed.

And then failed in the end.

>Then you said “America only ever engages in colonial wars”, which is f**king false . Yes, U.S. foreign policy has imperialist tendencies, I agree with that, but to claim EVERY SINGLE military engagement is colonial is false.

Not true at all. The US only fights wars of soft power and influence and rescues. It's not the Imperialism of old but still imperialism. America isn't some generous policeman thats just in it to help people. Tell that pish to the hundreds millions of people victimised by Americas Imperialism. There's a reason so much of the world hates America. The US's actions caused all that uproar not your hecken 'freedumbz'.

>Okay, and then you said, “China is the most globally dominant.” No! Biggest military yes, but we have a much bigger global presence

A prescience that is much more ineffective, yes. Britain's smaller Royal Navy is far more effective at securing global peace than your big expensive fleets of wasted taxpayer funds.

>The US has used its technology to win wars in the Gulf War, Panama, Kosovo, and against ISIS.

You didn't win any of those wars. You only temporarily halted and worsened every one of those scenarios.

>ust because the US lost in Vietnam and Afghanistan doesn't cancel out these successful operations. Those losses happened because of bad political decisions and poor long-term planning, not because the US military wasn't strong or effective enough !

Not being strong or effective enough is exactly why you lost those wars.

>I think you’ve forgotten what we’re even debating about: the strength of the US military. It is why the homeland remains so secure, and why peer adversaries refuse to confront the US directly.

That's because you have two oceans between you and a long list of friends to back you up mixed with ineffective rivals not superior military might.

>The US military HAS won wars since 1945

Nope, not one. Not even Iraq. There's no freedom and democracy there as was your mission statement. But you did ruin the place by wrecking the government. Pat yourself on the back you muppet.

>HAS maintained global dominance, and continues to shape the world order

Not in the last 12 years it hasn't. And that power and influence is disappearing rapidly.

LA protests
Trump
School Shootings
Guns
Racism

Everywhere has racism

1. You mean the No Kings protests which was nationwide, not just the LA protests. They made it look like a riot on media to induce fear, but if you actually took the time to educate yourself you’d realize that it was a full blown PEACEFUL protest. 70,000 protested in my city and not one building was damaged. Not one person was hurt. 200,000 ppl peacefully protested in LA and not one death has been reported.

2. Yes Trump is f**king awful, but that does not mean we aren’t protected. Our military budget is f**king huge - as much as people complain about taxes and all that it’s why our weaponry and military equipment is so expansive. Trump or not, we have implemented SO F**KING MANY military bases WORLDWIDE. American soldiers are everywhere. So just because you see this US-Iran shit starting on media, don’t assume that American civilians are in trouble. We are very well protected, seriously. Remember we have nuclear power and very strong allies .

3/4. Every country has its flaws . I’m not gonna defend school shootings or the normality of owning guns, but you can’t just look at the bad side of things, the states really are amazing . I’m not a nationalist by any means but it pisses me off when ppl from other countries refuse to acknowledge the good part of the US .

5. Racism is everywhere. And honestly, I’d argue that it’s f**king worse in Europe. There is SO much diversity here, especially in blue states. I’ve been to France and the UK and let me tell you I dealt with more racism there than I ever have here. There is also like.. SO MANY f**king white ppl… so I don’t want hear shit about racism when it’s so much more prominent in other countries.

Nobody was hurt in the LA riots? What world do you live in?

>as much as people complain about taxes and all that it’s why our weaponry and military equipment is so expansive.

Be nice if you spent some of that money helping out American citizens instead of making weapons with all that tax money.

>the states really are amazing

Aye, if you're rich.

>Racism is everywhere. And honestly, I’d argue that it’s f**king worse in Europe.

Europeans don't make everything about race unlike America. We're much more accepting here, especially in the west.

>I’ve been to France and the UK and let me tell you I dealt with more racism there than I ever have here.

No you haven't.

>There is also like.. SO MANY f**king white ppl

So? Your point being? Europe is our native homeland so of course we live here. Duh.

I said no one was reported dead. Of course people got hurt. Read bro

australia is NOT safe bro

- New Zealand is farther
- No one f**ks with the Antarctic Bases, McMurdo is probably the best since it's close to New Zealand and is the largest base
- Southern South America (maybe)

trump is in control, so the us is a no no

"Southern South America"