The reason why Spinel is enemies with Possessed Kris is that they are both rivals in combat.

So I can possess spinel?

It depends on how vulnerable she is and if you possess magic capabilities in order to possess Spinel’s SOUL. You can’t take her SOUL while possessing Spinel and you need to adapt to her form because you’ll be INSIDE of her, and Spinel can fight back to regain control if she feels that the presence is unwelcome.

I mean I am a monster

Well, considering that Spinel is also technically a monster because she isn’t human… basically as long as she is vulnerable and if she feels the presence as a welcoming incoming force, you can possess Spinel, but she is a hardy character because it takes a lot to break her down.

*says that if you clean out a vacuum cleaner, it makes you the vacuum cleaner*
Easy possession

The f**k does that mean?

If you get rid of lint from a vacuum cleaner, it makes you the vacuum cleaner

Oh.

Yeah, in a nutshell, she can be possessed if vulnerable when Drunk, though she is very hardy and it depends on WHO is possessing Spinel and if she is vulnerable to them, not the amount of alcohol she had.

Well I scale in strength based on how many souls I have eaten

SOULS don’t affect the attempt, nor help your attempt. You need to have specific requirements in order to even ATTEMPT to possess Spinel.

It depends on these requirements:

Spinel needs to be vulnerable to the person who is attempting to possess her (you need to manipulate Spinel unless she TRUSTS the person), Spinel needs to be DRUNK (not any lower level of drunk, so she could be tossed but she isn’t able to be possessed), the person needs to know a specific level of magic to possess Spinel, and your SOUL needs to overpower Spinel’s in the scenario that is given (which is that you’re trying to possess Spinel).

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Nvm then

yes.

Lmao

hold up... Negative Corruption goes straight into the soul, and if Spinel's soul is that weak when she's drunk that she's an easy target for Ash to corrupt

She is immune to corruption, you need to corrupt her Gem to do that and if you corrupt her Gem then she turns into a complete monster.

i dunno, but if her soul is unprotected that it's corruptable

She doesn’t have a SOUL that’s unprotected.

She has a Gem which is her Core, which stores her SOUL. You need to physically corrupt her Core for her to turn into a complete monster (And corrupted Gems are completely mindless and need to be purified afterwards unless if you want a ravenous monster eating Gem in the Underground), but her SOUL remains untouched because she doesn’t technically have a SOUL.

damnit. lucky her, she cant be corrupted

Though that it may seem that her Gem is her SOUL, it is all a ruse because it may LOOK like a SOUL, but it really isn’t.
That way, Spinel can be perfectly OK when fighting Ghost Ash, but the only downside is that she can be possessed. That’s the only way of control if specific requirements are met.

Ash's skills are possessing since he's planning to spread corruption through every soul so everyone would be his slave. what are the requirements?

It depends on these requirements:

Spinel needs to be vulnerable to the person who is attempting to possess her (you need to manipulate Spinel unless she TRUSTS the person), Spinel needs to be DRUNK (not any lower level of drunk, so she could be tossed but she isn’t able to be possessed), the person needs to know a specific level of magic to possess Spinel, and your SOUL needs to overpower Spinel’s in the scenario that is given (which is that you’re trying to possess Spinel).

those requirements are kinda present in Ash's case
he just needs to do some sorta plan to make Spinel drunk and vulnerable, use his mastermanipulator skills to make her trust him while shes vulnerable, and his soul is pretty strong from corruption unless hes experiencing a strong negative feeling, sooo

You forgot that you also need to know a specific level of magic.

does controlling black holes, gravity, weak souls and multidimensional portals count?

No.

You need to know a specific level of dark magic and body manipulation.

*minus the TRUSTED factor (if the character trusts Spinel and that Spinel trusts them), you just need to know body manipulation*

that's NC though, not specifically dark magic tho but it still has something related to mind control and body manipulation

Spinel doesn’t have a weak SOUL (because she doesn’t even have one).

does she have a soul or not? dont care whether its weak or not, does she have a soul?

Technically, she doesn’t have a SOUL, but she is still a living, breathing being due to her being a Gem, she is just filled with a trait of a SOUL.

damnit. Ash can corrupt only non-human souls, if Spinel doesn't have a soul then she cant be corrupted

She can’t be corrupted, but she still can be possessed.

The upside about Spinel is that she can’t be corrupted (due to her not having a SOUL), but the downside is that she still can be possessed, whether she has a SOUL or not.

does Spinel have any special hyper powers? Ash won't tire himself possessing Spinel just to find out she has nothing for him to use. if anything stood in his way, he would either possess or kill or make a deal with them depending on how strong their powers are or what kind of role they play (e.g. he makes alliance with villains, kill weak protagonists and possesses strong ones) what's Spinel's case here?

Spinel is immortal (thanks to her Gem), she has elasticity and can make any of her body parts any size due to her cartoonish frame and her 1920’s rubber hose style mechanics, she can summon stored items within her Gem, she can store items within her Gem, and if once defeated by too much damage taken, she poofs away her physical form, leaving behind her Gemstone as she reforms/regenerates (the only way to truly kill Spinel is to shatter her Gemstone…).

those dont really sound like anything Ash would use. he will kill her

That’s why I consider Ash as one of Spinel’s enemies. Because she knows that he can kill her so she needs to defend herself in order to protect her from death.

wait... Spinel KNOWS that Ash can kill her? i thought she was immortal

Unless that if Ash would spare Spinel and would use her to be “allies”, Spinel is still wanting to avoid confrontations.

Spinel IS immortal, but it’s because of her GEMSTONE. If her Gemstone is shattered, she dies.

dies like dies? i remember you saying she can regenerate, also how is her gemstone gonna be shattered? physical force?

Yeah, a LOT of physical force against her Gemstone is unhealthy for her, as it can cause her Gem to crack or worse. So you can take something really sharp and start to stab her Gemstone really forcefully to shatter her Gemstone enough to kill her, but that is extremely hard to do because her Gemstone is extremely tough and is considered as protected by a diamond layer on top (Drunk Spinel gets this in a cannon upgrade).

um... Ash doesn't need physical force, he can literally tear her gemstone apart with gravity like he can do to anything else-

How the f**k does gravity work like that? Spinel (her gemstone) is a physical part of her, how the f**k does that work when the Gemstone is a part of her body? Spinel’s Gemstone can’t necessarily be broken.

alr alr jeez calm down-
if Spinel knows that Ash can kill her, there must be some way Ash can actually kill her, otherwise she wouldnt be cautious of him

Well, it’s just that Spinel considers Ash as one of her enemies because she knows that Ash can defeat her in combat if Ash wanted to and that Ash can torture Spinel, which that Spinel would be really scared if that happens.

Spinel can’t really be KILLED, but she knows that a lot of pain and suffering can happen, so she want to confront Ash as little as possible and that Spinel and Ash would be one of the most insane confrontations when it does happen, and that Spinel and Ash make bets against each other when they do yearly confrontation.

thats actually crazy lore. but being scared of Ash won't do nothing but fuel Ash's sadism and make him want to actually torture Spinel. Ash hates idiots, traitors and way too fearless opponents, so he immediately kills any of those three that he sees, but if he manages to catch Spinel being terrified of him he would chuckle to himself and choose a machine for her

Spinel isn’t necessarily TERRIFIED of Ash, it’s just that she knows the circumstances of the amount of torture that he can do to her and others, considering that she can’t be killed.

There would be at least once per year, an annual confrontation between the two of them in the Underground, which would be the two strongest figures (Spinel and Ash) clashing until the other is defeated. The yearly bets between the two of them fluctuate significantly depending on WHAT they want for the year, and due to that, that’s what makes Spinel consider Ash her enemy, because like Possessed Kris, Ash is her rival.

i see. so they would fight once a year? plus, Ash isn't immortal, but he has his ways of cheating death (escaping hell/duplicating through universe) tho how did or will Spinel even know Ash? sure, Demoncat will go ask Spinel for help once Demoncat flees from machine 25, but Spinel doesn't sound like she had any history with Ash. how much does she know about Ash's plans and hideout, tho, and how does she know?

Spinel knows Ash because of Demoncat, Ash’s sibling. Due to Ash’s own psychopathic behavior and his violent tendencies, it seems that Ash is the badder bad guy than of Spinel, but Spinel (knowing of the evil one that she once was), would then had personally confronted Ash from way back then and had actually won against the confrontation, and that an eternal grudge between Spinel and Ash would ignite, causing a yearly fight on the same day that Spinel confronted Ash for the first time, to see who is the most Nihilist and bets would be taken by both sides, and it has been a big blood feud between Spinel and Ash, for they both had their victories and defeats throughout the years.

zamn. they got some crazy history. Ash sure would do the famous "We meet again, old friend." phrase when he see Spinel, but i haven't told you how Ash would be defeated yet. since he can cheat death in two ways, both ways have to be ruined for him to come back. first, if he actually died, his possessor Mega Octagon will soon come back after eventually finding a rogue multidimensional portal in hell and either possess him again or any other person. second method is that he has clones in a ton of universes and timelines, so if he died in one of them (like the timeline where Outer killed him) he doesn't actually die because he's not one. Spinel would have to figure out a way to block those methods of him coming back, and aaall of that while not completely eliminating Ash because he's literally Demoncat's brother and would ruin Spinel's friendship/alliance with Demoncat (Demoncat has secret powers that she doesn't know how to use because she's too young, but those come out once she experiences a strong feeling like grief and might destroy Spinel's gemstone)

Spinel always fights fair and that she does not kill Ash, knowing that Ash is Demoncat’s brother. It’s just a fight where in which that the FATE between Ash’s or Spinel’s victory CANNOT be changed, because each yearly fight, nobody is allowed to cheat, and if you’re caught cheating, you are immediately thrown out because of unsportsmanlike conduct.

In BRIEF, the yearly fights are AGREEMENTS that nobody cheats, as agreed with after the first confrontation, and that you can’t kill each other, only to defeat them.

hmm, fair enough, but Ash might actually break the deal and try to kill Spinel by committing terrorism with the UV bombs installed in his Playground (torture basement), that's probably where Spinel has to stop being fair and start thinking about killing Ash or something, but that would still ruin her friendship with Demoncat. i dunno, im confused myself, how could Spinel stop such a sadistic psychopath without killing him? he has two souls inside him, the possessor and the normal, the normal one is way too weak because the possessor has taken control but then again, strong emotions like grief might make the normal part grow stronger and he might go insane because of two mindsets trying to take control inside of him. idk how that would help, but snapping the possessor out of him is the best option, second is killing him and putting herself in Demoncat's target list

That is impossible for both Ash and/or Spinel to break the deal because they signed a binding contract. If that breaches contract, then Ash or the offending person DIES on the spot. Alastor had to make the contract because it had to deal with souls and lives. So both Spinel and Ash are FORCED to be sportsmanlike when the day comes.

i see. but that means Ash can torture Spinel without actually killing her?

Well yes considering that would be his half of the bet if he wins.

how many times each have won?

Spinel is canonically behind, 36-49, Ash.

does that mean Ash is stronger than Spinel?

Well, yes but technically no. It’s just that Ash is a better plotter but Spinel is actually stronger than Ash, but Ash knows how to look for any exploits, so Spinel lacks the intelligence, but has all the strength and durability.

thats actually very suitable for Ash. how tf do you know his personality-

Spinel VS Ash is actually a tight fight.

I actually don’t know Ash’s personality, I just went out on a whim-

what is Spinel's personality? friendly, yes, but what's she like with villains?

She is one of the friendlier ones, she likes to interact and speak with other fellow villains as well as to speak about any plans that anyone can be concocting along with the inclusion of Spinel at Grillby’s. Spinel is always up for a job as long as she gets a drink. She is considered as Chaotic Impure, but very friendly towards anyone.

how can she be friendly towards a torture psychopath??
if all she cares about is wine, then she can literally just work for Ash as long as he gives her wine

Here’s the thing: Ash and Spinel aren’t really considered as the BEST duo to exist… that’s why they are considered as rivals because Spinel isn’t the one who wants to commit mass murders, so she is always annoyed that Ash is being accompanied with the other villains that Spinel agreed to be with in any shenanigans. Sure, she CAN work with Ash, but she would be very annoyed, despite being paid.

Ash is a mastermanipulator, so he can find a way to taunt her and make her work for him while offering her a ton of drinks. plus, he wouldnt lose anything if he gave her drinks, because she would just become drunk from how much she drank and would do even more illegal stuff that Ash asked for without realizing

Again, Spinel is VERY annoyed if she is working either WITH Ash OR Ash being accompanied with other villains in other shenanigans because Spinel isn’t one of those villains who actually commit crimes, she just wants to cause some sort of chaos or a funny conflict with other villains, she doesn’t want to commit crimes like murder/genocide/etc, she just wants to cause some chaos without getting into legal trouble. That’s why she can refuse to work with Ash because she doesn’t want to commit a crime while knowing that she got paid by Ash.

i see. that makes sense now. does she know that Ash is possessed or not? if yes, how does she know?

She may be a drunken Gem, but she knows how to be rational and to make good decisions.

i see.

Due to Spinel’s own experience of being possessed, she knows that Ash is very much possessed, but she doesn’t know WHO.

well do you know who-

Idk, Jevil?

bruh
it's Mega Octagon, a shape from the shapes universe that was Ash's oldest enemy and somehow cheated death and possessed Ash

Ohhh

indeed. it's WAY too hard to simply just remove the possessed part from Ash's soul, unless you want to fling out Ash's normal soul with it, so there must be another way (i havent thought yet) but one of the ways that his soul can become unstable is that he experiences an extremely negative feeling (like grief) as i said before and his normal part might go stronger so he will go insane

Wanna know Spinel’s full name?

that was out of the blue but okay

Drunk Spinel’s full name is Spinel Seraphim “Undertale”. Technically, this IS my OC, considering that Drunk Spinel is a spinoff of the actual Spinel. So I gave her a last name and she is honorably an Undertale (she is roommates with Sans and Papyrus, as mentioned).

noted. what does that have to do with her relation with Ash tho?

Ash has been told that Spinel is technically an Undertale by Sans, which fuels the fire between the rivalry because Spinel does the yearly fight as an attempt to show everyone that she can be as strong as an Undertale, and if Spinel overtakes Ash in the wins, she WILL become an Undertale.

are those her ambitions? well, she seems to be losing it because of the "36-49" lmao

Well yes, the fighting IS considered as her underdog story, but she is generally fighting to prove that she is an Undertale and that someday, she can hoist the family name.

fair enough. and how much does Ash know of that?

Ash knows all of it, he knows that Spinel is fighting for the family name of Undertale, and that is she overtakes Ash at least ONCE, she will become an Undertale. When at least that Spinel would fight to get the family name, she would then get higher expectations afterwards because Spinel would then fight in the name of the Undertales.

i see. very interesting. but wdym by overtake? like kill Ash? if she's gonna continue only defeating him without killing him she wouldn't really succeed since she's already behind, theres a little chance anyway but she will start thinking of other methods instead of relying on luck, so she will start trying to find out Ash's weakness and defeat him for good, whether to kill him or weaken him so much. Demoncat and Crimson are her best sources of information

In the terms of overtake, it means that she needs to win more of the yearly fights, so she needs to be at LEAST 50-49, which would mean winning in the yearly duel for 14 consecutive years.

she will still have to wait and fight for long to reach that number if she will continue using the same methods and strategies of fighting. Ash is smart enough to find ways to always be stronger than Spinel, so Spinel will have to do the same if she's to overtake Ash

Yeah, that’s why Spinel would be training with Sans and Papyrus the month before the yearly fight.

how much do Sans and Papyrus know of Ash?

They know about his wits and his battle strategy, they observe each yearly battle and they can teach Spinel what went wrong and what she can do to improve. Due to Spinel canonically losing 13 fights straight at an early point of her fighting career against Ash, it was an embarrassment towards herself, but due to the training that Sans and Papyrus had done, Spinel would go out to recover and to catch on with wins she is starting to catch up with Ash.

i see. very interesting. where do they usually fight and when?

Spinel and Ash, at the Arena, 8:15 PM. It USED to take place at the Playground, but it was proven too big for the Playground eventually in earlier fights.

where is this Arena?

In the cities between Spinel’s hometown and Ash’s hometown.

Ash's hometown isn't really known yet, but it's somewhere in Hotlands. idk about Spinel's hometown, but it might be near Hotlands

Spinel’s hometown is Snowdin.

perfect. both are beside each other, so they would meet somewhere in between

Yeah, Snowdin is Spinel’s hometown because she lives with Sans and Papyrus, and how could she then go to Grillby’s as her usual place to get something?

lol you're right. how does the Arena look like?

It’s the average Roman colosseum, even ground level and can hold up to 40,000 spectators. It’s the yearly fight of the year, usually broadcasted around if people can’t attend or if the seats are taken.

wait, people WATCH it??

Well yes, it’s the biggest public fight that anyone can attend to, it’s no wonder how SANS and PAPYRUS can view.

Let alone track how many times Spinel or Ash had won.

i see... you havent told me before about this lol, but fair enough. damn this is a long conversation-

Yeah, I love to talk about any kind of lore.

same lol :3 🤝

shut up, mr "dont corrupt me" and "nuh uh no ones steals my core"

Bro crashed out

GET OU-

Not a good time to say that

im kidding vro 😭

Ik lol

It’s called a SOUL-

Nah I have a core instead of a soul

Oh

Fr

your core stores your soul -_-

Yea

time to corrupt some wubbox-

I can always stamp it with noncanon mwahahahahahahahaha

proves my points that youre a mr "nuh uh no one takes my core"

People can take my core, I'll allow that, but no one, and I mean NO ONE corrupts is

Corrupts it*

why? dont wanna be a villain? >:3

No. I'm the good guy that has broken the Geneva convention multiple times

shut up mr 190 trillion clobers killed

Geneva Convention? More like Geneva Suggestion…

No

dont deny it

I'm not denying it, Im not gonna shut up tho

what if i dont reply
thats basically shutting you up lmao

Yea but it's shutting you up too

damn youre right

wubboc specifically has a core