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Those first and last commas shouldn't be there, but they are. | - God; - some guys | image tagged in memes,who would win,punctuation | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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'kill' is actually 'Lo tirtsaḥ' in the original Hebrew, which means 'murder'
Ergo, thou shalt not kill unlawfully
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Yup... some people want you to ignore God didn't say anything about "Do not Defend Yourself with bodily harm if necessary..."
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the problem is then, how good is that original translation of God's Word into Hebrew?
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Well seeing as human-to-human translation is 99.9% accurate with no discernible affect on the verses, just words that don't adequately translate over to olde English, I'd say probably higher than that
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you miss my point. someone wrote the orginal version of the 'commandments' in, let's say, Hebrew. and let's say that they were literally translating God's Word. did He proofread their work? I say no, since He exists only in the minds of His followers. also please consider that murder doesn't depend on human laws, since it existed before laws were ever made. murder is a definition of an action based in a personal value judgment. for example, if you shot your best friend in the back because they cheated you in a game of poker, most people would see that as murder, regardless of the law. if you aborted a fetus at six weeks, some people would see it as murder because they see a six-week-old fetus as a human being. some people wouldn't see it as murder because they don't see a six-week-old fetus as a human being. the difference in judgment comes from differences in views on human life and corresponding human rights. which views are absolutely correct? neither, since neither position can be proven. which position is more defensible? speaking as a non-liberal, i prefer the position that doesn't try to force itself on people who hold the other position. you can make a law to try to do so, but it wouldn't change anyone's values.
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so you agree with me. your value comes from a Law that you believe in, and other people's beliefs don't matter. very eloquently put.
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could you please stop changing your response? it's unprofessional.
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'did He proofread their work? I say no, since He exists only in the minds of His followers'

Aah, the ol' 'If you don't have an answer im right and if you do it doesn't matter because I didn't believe the premise I was originally arguing from' position.
Yeah we get this one a lot these days.

Everything after that is basically an appeal to population as the basis for secular morality, which I guess is your point.
I mean for example, the Hindus in select villages would burn widows at the stake when their husbands died and it only stopped once the British intervened.. Up until then they all believed it was right, it was a cultural action that existed for generations... so it was contextually fine in a secular world view and the ultimate answer as to whether its right or wrong can't exist because it simply boils down to a matter of an opinion or an appeal to lots of people sharing it.... which didn't exist in that situation, so it was ok...or at least equally defensible from a secular position on morality through their eyes on the matter

Same with child sacrifice, molestation, throwing virgins into volcanos... those kind of things
and I guess, logically following, if those people started accepting the practice again then there's not really anything secular morality can do about it. You said yourself, the laws don't change anyones values and you don't want to impose on others...so you're stuck with shouting an opinion from the sidelines

Of course, in actuality its wrong to (for example) burn widows at the stake in all cases, at all times, for all reasons, in all time periods, in all cultures, in all situations because morality comes from the Lord and that doesn't change regardless of population or support, opinion or consensus..
In effect, its wrong even if your parents/society/culture told you it was ok and you were onboard with it and stopping you from doing it should be the absolute goal.
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Does the killing part in the commandments have an exception for fetuses?
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you're our biblical scholar, so you tell me.
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And there it is
The liberal empty response
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you never learn
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