It's enough to make a grown man vomit

pretending to be something doesn't make you the thing you are pretending to be.

Who’s pretending?

those gentlemen wearing ladies garments.

My friend has a friend who is trans.if someone feels like their a certain way,let them be like that,it's not wrong to belive what you feel.thats all i have to say.good day to you sir.

You can pretend to be anything you want, however you can't make me pretend too.

that wasnt the point.i was just saying that you dont have to be trans,but rans is valid.i was in no such way trying to get you to be trans too.

why is it "valid"

just my personal belifes,i wont question yours ehither.good day

I didn't think you were trying to get -me - to be trans, my point is that a person can be and play which ever character in life they like, but there is a very real line called reality that other people base their selves in. Someone that is pretending or being smething they -feel - they are can not force someone else to play along.

ok,i respect your opinon,i plan to end the conversation here.have a good day.

What makes you think that?

I haven’t forgotten your definition of woman from the Imane Khelif incident.

Khelif has xy Chromosomes - That is all I have to say about that.

So if a chromosome test revealed these women had XX chromosomes, would you admit they are women?

If

Okay Sparta.

If Donald Trump said "I'm black", would that make him black?

No, because he’s white. You can verify that

How do you 'know' they're women?

They say so

The separation of the spiritual self from the physical self is and always will be a pagan ideal

If I say I'm black, does that make me black?

I mean, I don’t know you in real life. If you said you were black, I’d have no way of knowing whether or not you were actually, so I wouldn’t accuse you of being a liar even if you were lying about it

We can verify that the men in the photo are men actually, by the simple fact that if they were women, they wouldn't be trans.

That doesn’t make any sense

You're telling me there's no difference whatsoever between women and "trans women"?

Nothing spiritually. And at the end of the day, that’s what matters

You literally asked, "If these men were actually women, would you admit they are women?" The point is that they aren't.

How do you know? What’s your standard?

But you can't verify that the men in the photo are men??

Neither of us can verify their genders; their word is all we have. Why are you so mistrusting of them?

I can not argue with DNA based evidence. However, if it came up XY would you admit they are not women?

I didn’t say chromosome tests were my personal litmus test for man or woman, I was just making sure you were sticking to yours.

And for the record, I respect you for sticking by your earlier definition even if I disagree with it

The reason I can stick with it is because it really is not -my definition- its biology's definition of a female. This is outlook on male and female is based on pure feelings which is crazy, because remmber just a few years ago.. the saying, "facts don't care about your feelings" was the thing to say cause it was true.. why is noone saying that anymore? Because it is not socially acceptable to think facts trump feelings when it comes to Trans. No one should ever deny facts because of feelings.

That’s the best rebuttal you can come up with?

Why even bother to reply?

You're defending the idea that men can become women on a whim

I’m defending the idea that God sometimes puts the souls of women in male bodies and the souls of men in female bodies.

Do not put words into my mouth.

In that case, you're invalidating everyone who identifies as "genderfluid"

Okay who gonna tell em

Shiiiit, I definitely didn't notice it was a leftist twitter account or that the profile picture is of Bernie Sanders wearing a face mask. Nice deflection, though.

No, you don’t understand.

I myself am gender-fluid

In other words, you switch between genders on a whim 😂

That’s not how it works

You are suggesting that someone's gender is dependent on their word alone 🤡

And?

"And?"
Should we make objective judgements based on completely subjective claims?

That’s literally what politics is.

If you don’t like that, the door is right there

According to you it is

That screenshot has nothing to do with it. There, I’m saying that they say they’re women, and I have no reason to believe they’re lying.

Is your soul male or female?

Good question. I only phrased it the way I did originally because I thought you wanted a simple answer. So let me elaborate given you what that.

God has proven to us through his great creation that not everything is as it seems at a first glance. All things, including our souls, may not work as we first may observe. And we are truly incapable of understanding every little thing nor why he creates things the way he does.

So, I think the genders of souls can be far more complex than the genitalia of human bodies. I do not think that they always match our perceptions of the dictations of chromosomes. I do not know why, but I am sure God has a reason

eek, I never heard you say this before, An all powerful omnificent being that creates life and has power over death and creation... makes mistakes? I am in no way shape or form a Christian.. but that is a very bad stand to take on the trans issue, Using God as a reason.

I never said God does it by mistake. I’m a Christian, after all

And Biden's a Catholic 😂

What’s Biden or Catholicism got to do with anything?

Remember what the Bible says about those who mislead the children of God

Always on my mind whenever I see people incite violence against my people.

How does talking about the legal procedures for transitioning make me a “groomer”?

Please do yourself a favor and find something better to do.

Was it on your mind after the Covenant School shooting?
Sorry, I meant the "Trans Day of Vengeance"

So the actions of one speak for all?

Do you really want to play that game?
Please, do something better with your time.

Should any children be subjected to them?

You talk as if they have no say in the matter. Do you realize how many different forms have to be signed and years of waiting it takes to have one of those surgeries as an adult?

So many more have to be done when it comes to those below 18. Those people are fully aware of the consequences of it and agree to the terms.

Do I have to point out that circumcision is not the same as permanently castrating a child?

Look up for me the rate of those kinds of surgeries being performed on children, why don’t you?

Source?

https://sojo.net/articles/brief-history-religious-support-abortion-and-reproductive-rights

This is paganism masquerading as Christianity. Do you believe in "abortion rights" too?

I advocate for research to find ways to where women can feel their rights are not being suppressed while letting the baby live

It is not an act of love to deny the truth on someone else's behalf. The exact opposite, in fact. Especially when this denial culminates in the castration and mutilation of God's children, who are created in his image.

The Old Testament supports genital mutilation in the name of God.

"As a matter of fact, I do advocate against the killing of babies."
Okay, so you are against abortion.
"But I see no reason why abortion is your litmus test for Christianity."
Because the sanctity of human life is one of the most fundamental tenets of Christianity, and if you don't believe in that, then nothing else matters.

If you do not live the lord your god with all your heart, mind, body, and soul, and do not love your neighbor as yourself, THEN nothing else matters.

You can love life all you want, but without those two tenets, you still burn.

"That’s not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying BECAUSE all those guardrails exist, your fears are unfounded."

If my fears were unfounded, there would be no sex change procedures performed on minors whatsoever.

"So many more [forms] have to be done when it comes to those below 18. Those people are fully aware of the consequences of it and agree to the terms."

I misread the second part; I apologize. However, children still cannot consent to being castrated, no matter how many forms they sign.

I can respect you for apologizing, but still I feel like this conversation isn’t really going anywhere. I think we have better things to do

Biden is a Catholic in name only, and I have a sneaking suspicion you are the Protestant equivalent

I believe Jesus of Nazareth was the son of the living God and died on the cross for our sins, and because of that we can have eternal life through him. I strive to live by his example, though I recognize I am not perfect in that goal.

What more do you want from me?

It has become disturbingly common for trans people to post violent revenge fantasies about women who rightfully don't want men in their bathrooms

Where?

That’s a rhetorical question, don’t feel the need to answer. As I’ve said, save your time

But you don't advocate against it, do you?

As a matter of fact, I do advocate against the killing of babies. But, I see no reason why abortion is your litmus test for Christianity.

In the twelfth century, after all, Christians celebrated successful abortions as a life-saving miracle. In the 19th and 20th centuries, Christians were indifferent on the issue. It wasn’t till a conservative evangelical movement rising alongside Nixon’s Southern Strategy did the majority of Christians start protesting the procedure.

So, let me ask this: if Christians didn’t actively advocate against abortion until the mid 20th century, does that mean Christianity never existed by your definition until then?

"Those people" are CHILDREN. They are not fully aware of the consequences, that's why AGE OF CONSENT LAWS are a thing. First you were arguing that very few minors undergo sex-change surgery, and now you're saying you want MORE of them to do so???

That’s not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying BECAUSE all those guardrails exist, your fears are unfounded.

Now let me be clear: You’re not going to convince me of anything. So unless you want your mind changed about something, kindly go your separate way. Time’s too precious to waste.

That would be a pretty easy no if you were a Christian

Life is nuanced. Let me be clear, I don’t advocate killing babies.