Russian_Tsarist_8 announcement temp Israel version

Why you hâte Palestine 😭

I don’t hate Palestine, I just don’t like the terrorists in it

Armed resistance to a genocidal, unlawful, aggressive settler colonial occupation - doesn't constitute "Terrorism" - it's entirely lawful. https://scheerpost.com/2024/07/21/icj-on-the-legal-consequences-arising-from-the-policies-and-practices-of-israel-in-the-occupied-palestinian-territory-including-east-jerusalem/

You want "terrorism" - look up the bombing of the King David Hotel - and the Lavon Affair. Additionally, the acts committed by Zionists during the 1947-8 Nakba - clearly constitute "Terrorism" against a civilian population. I'd recommend the movie Tantura (2022), if you want to understand what the Palestinians faced then - and why they feel as they do. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ1TAOibLss

One of many problems with that survey - is the deliberate conflation of Jews and Zionists - they're distinct groups. The Satmars and Neturei Karta continue to follow the Torah - and so they reject Zionism as a Satanic and heretical project. The survey is based upon the work of the ADL (of B'nai Brith) - who have thoroughly discredited themselves over the last several decades, spying on the left, people of color, Constitutionalists and labor, as cutouts for the Mossad, CIA, FBI, LAPD, etc..

The reasons for traditional anti-Jewish bigotry tended to be religious and cultural. Those are much less powerful factors in society these days. At this point its the Imperialist and imperious actions of the Zionist Entity that are largely driving the trends of bigotry. But because the fraudulent IHRA definition of "antisemitism" deliberately conflates opposition to Zionism, and criticisms of Zionist Entity policies, with anti-Jewish sentiments it's become almost impossible to get a realistic gauge of where things stand. 8g08yg.jpg (click to show)

I don’t like arguing, but you really cherry pick information to include your view. Both sides have good and evil, we should at least agree on that.

Palestine wasn’t as bad before, but Hamas ruined it with their leadership. Hopefully you don’t support Hamas, I don’t know for sure if you do. As for Zionism, I have a neutral view on it.

i just dont like the settelers who kill and Netanyahu who is too rightist for me for zionisim it means the jews should live in isreal with the arabs

https://www.thehandstand.org/archive/jan2002/EdcellJan2002/rezeq/ over the years - NOBODY has supported or fostered Hamas like the Zionists, and particularly the Likud. Before that there was multi-ethnic resistance from the PLO and PFLP - whom the Zionists also called terrorists, and refused to negotiate with, in good faith.

But frankly, having actually listened to the leadership of Hamas speaking, they seem more honest and reasonable than the Zionists. The Goal of the fascistic/extremist forces that have taken power since the murder of Rabin, is a total ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Palestinian people - who prior to the Zionist Movement, had taken-in many Jews from Europe fleeing bigotry, and lived with them and other pious and religious Jews, in peace and harmony.

Hamas amended their charter in 2017 - they stopped talking about opposition to Jews - and started talking about Zionists. If Zionism means a complete destruction, expulsion and subjugation of the Palestinian people - then that seems reasonable. It's impossible to have a Jewish State - created by the hands of men, according to the Torah. It's also impossible to have a democracy, where millions of people are second class citizens. If Jews want to live as equals with Palestinians - I'm happy to see that all go forth, equitably.

As it stands - the wheels are coming-off of the Zionist State. The economy is in a shambles - and the combined efforts of Hamas and Hezbollah have their military in bad shape. Dual-citizens with any sense are fleeing in droves. What's wrong with living humbly and in piety in a re-established Palestine?

Idk, as I said I don’t like arguing. But I respect your opinion, we have free will to choose our sides.

“Refused to negotiate with” couldn’t be further from the truth, The Israelis have had several attempts to negotiate with the Palestinians since at least the early 90s and they have always ended the same way, with Palestinian violence against Israelis. Plus “Living humbly and in piety in a re-established Palestine” would be impossible because 1. The Israelis for obvious reasons aren’t just gonna give up their national identity and hand over their land 2. The Palestinians habe shown that depending on who would take power we would either see South Africa style apartheid against Jews or a second Holocaust. This conflict as a whole could have ended back in 1947 if the Palestinians had just accepted the fact that Jews have a right to a state in the land that they have inhabited for at least 3,500 years.

Don’t forget to mention the fact that there can’t be a “re-established Palestine” because there has never been a Palestinian state.

I get it. You're a pathological and habitual, Hasbarah LIAR.

There has been a Palestinian state - since Roman times. And it still exists to this day - underneath the unlawful Zionist Entity State that occupies it.

If there weren't a Palestine - then the Balfour Agreement would have been a nonsensical document - in addition to being an unlawful, imperialist, heretical and Satanic one.

There wouldn't have been a "Transfer Agreement" between the Zionist Quislings and the 3rd Reich, either - nor a passport issued to a young Golda Meir, indicating Palestine as her place of birth.

You should probably learn the difference between state and State and STATE - since those words connote different things, and have different meanings.

If there really has been a Palestinian state for 2000 years, then I’m sure you wouldn’t mind telling me it’s first king or the name of its royal dynasty? That’s right you can’t, because there has never been a state called Palestine and if the Palestinians keep attacking Israel it’s gonna stay that way.

A state is a PLACE. There's been a series of kings and Caliphs and Empires that have had nominal control - but decisions on local issues were often made locally. In the end, rulership doesn't define a place and its existence. The people who've been living there planted the olive tree groves, that Zionist thieves have been stealing and Zionist vandals have been destroying - deliberately.

A state is a self governing nation, something that Palestine is not and has never been.

You're confusing a state and a State.

And as the fascistic Zionist Entity implodes - Palestine will once again be free - from the river to the sea - as it was for hundreds of years, when they took-in Jews fleeing European Bigotry.

Jews from Eastern Europe have literally 0 connection to the lands that they have STOLEN and Murdered to take possession of. That's why DNA tests are illegal in the Zionist Entity, without a court order.

You're ignoring the long period of time where Jews were EXPELLED from that land by Divine edict - and the prohibition on any kind of Jewish Sovereignty ANYWHERE on Earth; particularly there.

If you believe in G-d, then you're officially EXPELLED, until returned by the very hand of G-d. If you don't believe in G-d then don't call yourself a Jew or steal the name of "Israel" - and feel free to live in your country of origin - or any safe place that will have you. The Zionists considered many alternate locations for a "Jewish" (ie Ethno-Supremacist Zionist) State. Everywhere from Patagonia, to a Jewish Oblast in Russia (which would have been more just, for Ashkenazi Jews, who were actually from that region). But in the end, to curry favor with the British Imperialists and various misled Christians, emigration to Palestine was decided upon.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mvqCWvi-nFo

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/11/20/magazine/israel-gaza-oslo-accords.html

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-world-court-has-just-cleared-the-fog-hiding-western-support-for-israel-s-crimes/ar-BB1qCNen

These above links show exactly how you've been misled - or are part of the dishonesty, yourself.

But look at it this way. You have a sandwich. I steal it... But I tell you that I might be willing to give you half back...while I'm eating that half of the sandwich. Pretty soon, it becomes obvious that I'm only willing to give you back the crust. In broken-up little pieces. And yet you have the nerve to take offense at that... And we're not even talking about the way I killed your whole family - to steal your sandwich.

It's a uniquely arrogant bargaining position. And of course, for centuries your family had been sharing sandwiches with me and my family, without incident, in a lawful fashion, consistent with the Torah.

You're right that there is always the risk that people you've been abusing for about 100 years may seek vengeance... But look at South Africa. Apartheid was deconstructed, and despite some initial and ongoing difficulties (that are decreasing over time) there was a peaceful change in the Regime and its nature, with people now living peacefully, side-by-side. That's the basics of international law and human decency. Apartheid was not.

DNA tests aren’t Illegal in Israel, there are restrictions on it but they aren’t banned, now I don’t know why those restrictions are in place but what I do know that it’s not because Jews don’t have any connection to the land, also the situation in South Africa and the one in Israel is vastly different, for starters Israel doesn’t and has never practiced apartheid, two Nelson Mandela didn’t gain support by talking about how he wanted to kill all white people, the Palestinians on the other hand (specifically Hamas) have done exactly that, they have gained support by talking about how they want to kill all Jews and I find it vile how you would defend such opinions and go as far as to openly want over half of the worlds Jewish population to live under the control of people with those opinions.

The restriction is that they're illegal - without a court order. 23& Me ain't happening. The reason is that aside from the Mizrachi and Sephardic Jews - the connection to the region is essentially zero. Khazars who converted to Judaism long after the Babylonian captivity, look nothing like the people of the region, for a reason. It's why the Milekowskys changed their name to something that sounds like they're from there, and belong.

Of course the Zionist Entity has and does practice Apartheid - it's why there's "'Jews' only" illegal settlements all over the West Bank. It's why a Palestinian and a Zionist citizen who fall in love, are prohibited from being married there.

You should perhaps study up on how Hamas was created. I left an essay on it for your Russian comrade to read. Palestinians are a multi-ethnic/multi-religious group. The Zionists want to create the false impression that this is a struggle between Judaism (which they reject) and Islamism. So they split the Palestinian resistance by assisting a Palestinian Islamic Resistance (the acronym Hamas is derived from this) to come into being. Arafat, the PLO and PFLP were multi-ethnic, and generally pan-arab socialist.

The position of Hamas has changed. They redid their charter in 2017. But given the Genocide and foul thefts and rapes and murders perpetrated against them by the Zionists - the intolerance of their earlier charter (approved by Zionist Governments when issuing permits and the like) I certainly can't fault them for having. It's very similar to the positions of their adversaries, who stole their lands. But again that's the past - they're perfectly willing to work for a better future - it's the Zionist who will NOT (as the statements of Zionist lackey Donald Trump recently indicated).

As for half of the world's Jewish population... You and the Zio ist State need to settle in a definition of what a Jew is... And many of those people hold multiple passports - which they're increasingly using - and should use - if they're not capable of living as decent people alongside the land's indigenous inhabitants.

Ashkenazi Jews are the descendants of many of the Jews that were exiled from Israel, and over time the Jews mated with the locals there hence why they look European, also Arabs are not native to Israel, The United Kingdom of Israel was founded over a millennium before Arabic existed, plus a Jew and an Arab can marry in Israel if they want to.

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None of that is true.

There's Palestinians with blonde hair - because they've been there since the time of the Crusades. Descendants of Khazar converts didn't marry outside of their own communities, it was highly frowned upon.

The Kingdom of Israel existed before a linguistic evolution - not before the people of the region existed there. And G-d brought that to an end - For Cause. They were warned by prophet after prophet, but continued worshipping false gods. G-d kicked them out. The Zionists are actively serving the serpent, now.

https://www.idrlabs.com/eysenck-anti-semitism/test.php