Bit of a Hot take here...

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it should be more like a symbol than a banner because the former stands for it and yet may be used or not used at times. It is more like a banner, the absolute biggest motherf**king way to identify it, however not owning a pride flag appears to be a crime.

No one cares if you don't own one.

i mean for the dummy wokes. i know yall dont really care

What do you mean by "dummy wokes?"

you know those people who make gay their entire personality irl, complain about "fatphobia", say that black is a slur, cannot stand christians and cannot take a joke?

or in other words the mfs who yell at preachers in an empty venue at a pride and physically fight them?

What's wrong with accepting who you are?
What's wrong with voicing discontent over fatphobia?
When referring to people do you identify them by color?
Obviously you refer to people who have darker skin as "Black" Do you refer to people of fairer skin as "white" to the same frequency as you do with people of darker skin?
Cannot stand Christians? Which Christians? There are Christians I can't stand, there are some I am rather fond of as well.
I bet you like George Carlin.

no. i simply refuse to swallow a biased image.

i agree discontent over any discrimination or targeted hate towards fat people (the term 'fatphobia' was invented to drum up emotion; a phobia makes one physically scared according to government classification) is as it would be towards any group.

accepting who you are should not go beyond announcing it to people you dont know yet. if one is dignified (i.e., they *cover their chest and nether*) i have nothing against them.

i also never said i referred to anyone by their skin color. what i meant was to describe them as such in a general way like in government papers.

and finally i never explicitly said all lgbtqia members disliked christians. half of my family is christian. i have a homophobic christian friend (btw im agender and pansexual making me a walking contradiction). i have another strict catholic pan demi girl friend. i have been preached to in many ways and have been intrigued by the history. (still atheist, and ive also done norse and greek mythology and studied several religions in classes.) i have extreme lgbtq friends who actively love my *homophobic* christian buddy.

i am of course referring to extremists. i have nothing against you or quite frankly here. i am simply obsessed with seeing every point of view. i study news for bias and i study news for similarities. i acknowledge the danger of the decadent capitalist system but also the failure of communism. i am simply, only, definitely and in an opinionated manner saying extremists suck. one does not simply paint an entire bridge in an lgbtq rainbow and not be extreme. one does not simply paint a bridge that spans miles and call it regular.

i agree and would say you seem to be very good at sparring societal phenomenon. i do not refer to you. i agree with you on that lgbtq people shouldnt need a flag to feel validated. it is a cute thing to have and it is pleasant to be in a community but doesn't need to be as in-your-face as a motherf**king painted bridge.

and to bring the conversation back, i mean the internetpilled blue haired girls who seem surprised when i call myself lgbtq and dont have a flag on my door. the teachers who read books about being non binary to kids who have never seen any other sexual organ other than their own. and if im being honest im only joking abt that, that it is a "crime" not to own one. i love this meme. i love how it shows humility. i have nothing against anyone. i only referred to radical, snowblind people.

I mean, I get what you're trying to do here: see every point of view.

But, whatever. What we need to understand here is that when you paint with such broad strokes, you end up lumping a lot of people into categories they might not belong in. It's honestly starting to feel like "extremists" will end up equaling anybody who makes the decision to stand up for LGBTQ+ rights or against fatphobia. That is not true and does not represent most people. Sure, there are always going to be outliers, but focusing on those few makes it easy to dismiss the valid concerns of the many. It's like saying all Christians are bad because a few are homophobic or all LGBTQ+ are over the top because some are loud about their identity.

It just doesn't stick, and it can be dangerous in drawing up generalizations.

On the matter of pride flags and bridges: it's about visibility and feeling safe. To some, the flag feels like a big, bright, loud sign that reads, "You're welcome here." In many ways, it is an answer to years of having been told they had to hide who they are. You might not need it, but for some, it's a lifeline.

Talking about being "internet pilled" or the teachers reading non-binary books to kids is about representation: kids need to see people like them in their books and stories. The point is not to push an agenda; it's to make sure everyone feels seen and understood. Broad strokes and generalizations seem innocent enough, but they are the beginning of prejudice. It becomes quite easy for one to dismiss a whole set of people when labelled according to the loudest voices. We've got to be careful that those labels don't become our excuses for discrimination or exclusion.

It's all about seeing the people, not the stereotypes.

i appreciate your insight. both of our hostile natures were uncalled for.

i stand for lgbtq rights, but fatphobia activists feel still like a lack of dietary discipline. however, i think that nobody should change unless they want to. and nobody should be surprised when staying back or going forward has adverse effects. i am simply saying fatphobia is generally comprised of the need for larger seats and more s/o-s. of course, fat people are equal to athletic people in value; they may not run for sport but their pain and emotion and intelligence is real. we may never agree on this as im more neutral and you're more biased towards acceptance of everyone regardless of their conduct (unless they're bigoted). so, in short, a fat person may be unhappy about a chair too small but i dont believe one needs to modify expensive airplanes or cancel others' plans to get a larger seat.

pride flags are a warm and welcoming sign of acceptance; there is no debate to be made there. and yet painting a two mile or larger bridge had better come out of the commisioner's paycheck because it is government property and at that it is a highly ambitious thing to do. im quite fond of how an assortment of colors makes for such a simple happy thing.

concerning teachers reading lgbt books to 5yos- historically it has been something to discover at 12. im not sure it hurts, as long as it doesn't push anything on them, but in my opinion pride books for 5yos should teach what it is in a smaller scale. for the same age acceptance as well. and for adolescents it should bring a story in (melissa grey is good at this). never should it be pushed, as it is a natural thing, and never should it be fought for it is an irreversible and delicate thing but teaching a 5yo in detail is unnecessary. they dont even know about sex let alone how they wish to have it. and puberty isa far better time to learn because the human body develops to be able to produce offspring at the time, though many grow up with a psychological value that not even the fact that a human, civilian mind is malleable. those are the people like myself and i align with their community. nobody told me what the concept of gender identity or sexuaity was; i simply grew more attracted to everyone and more gender neutral. *that* is true and pure. a flag is cute but its relentless reach to children is dangerous and one should consideraiting.

when they come out in their teens that's real and official. not when theyre five.

A lot to unpack here, but I think there's more that needs to be said, please bear with me.

I appreciate the civil tone.

Firstly, about fatphobia and dietary discipline: while lifestyle choices are not ruled out, it is critical to recognize the extent to which body size is determined by factors such as genetics, metabolism, and mental health. Fatphobia goes beyond seat sizes; it's the daily constant discrimination and stigmatization faced by fat people. It's not about canceling plans or modifying airplanes; it's about dignified treatment and respect for everyone, whatever their size.

On the subject of pride flags and government property – I get that painting a bridge may seem like a lot. But these symbols of acceptance and visibility resonate deeply in marginalized communities. They signal that everyone is welcome and valued. Yes, it should be done thoughtfully and with an eye towards public money, but this is its intent: an inclusive reality.

Now, on to LGBTQ+ education for little ones. This isn't sexuality being pushed onto kids. It's really about representation and making sure that children from all types of families feel seen and accepted. When kids talk about their families, it's critical that those from LGBTQ+ homes can share their experiences without fear of exclusion.

Laws by Ron DeSantis could erase just these very important conversations, leading to even more stigmatization and isolation of these children. Not so much detailed sexual education for 5-year-olds, as it were, but environments within which diversity can exist and be celebrated. They must understand that families can be of various natures and that it's love that means a lot, not the particular style and type of the family. The making of such an atmosphere leads to the decrease of bullying and teaches kids acceptance since very young ages.

And let's talk about this assertion of "pushing" rainbows on children. This is an exaggeration: you must be kidding with the idea of taking rainbows away from kids. Since time immemorial, rainbows have been symbols related to joy and diversity, not only of LGBTQ+ pride. It's about making sure all kids feel safe being who they are, whether they're five or fifteen. There would be questions of timing and the manner of these teachings. Valid concerns.

The goal is not to promote any agenda but rather to make sure that each child does feel accepted and understood.

Can you show me any classes that taught explicit sexual content to a 5 y.o.?

Cebrophage, I appreciate your ability to have an opinionated debate. That I can't get you to agree at the moment shows you're strong willed and intelligent. And you seem nice as well. I dont know if you know this but I pick debates online for sport. Yours is a challenge for me, demonstrating I am not perfect and should getter. Love, Adelaide

I have nothing against anyone. I only wish to educate the world around me about how doomed I feel our next years are. People who say terribly incorrect or inaccurate things are the ones I go after. People who think the world is their stage. And I take no affiliation.

Fatphobia is oftentimes a lack of dietary discipline. An example? Nikocado Avacado before his YouTube career. However- parts of it, many (not all) is genetic development. This does not mean I have seen any famous fat person try to exercise seriously except for Lizzo who implies that she does yoga. (fatness is a part of her brand ig?? id.) When I say "cancelling plans" this second seat does not normally come free from the expense of another. Fat people, are valuable people, but just as I am expected to act humble about my work to being smaller (im sure that i dont need to say the athletic, thin body is one peoople aspire to have due to how difficult it is to get).

About LGBTQ children- Im not sure I wish to say a child cant love anyone. What I mean is I would rather let them as the human mind acquires such a taste. That is when I'll be open minded about their feelings. Young children should be informed of what it is but (to answer your 2nd lgbt paragraph) older children should be believed. And there are no sexually explicit books unlike what you might think out of some random sentence in my last message. But there are books under scrutiny even from, *esspecially from* the left for confusing children. Many note that it is being pushed and that, *that's* unnatural. Children will if you raise them correctly have no problem telling you unaided by external media. The "rainbow" bit was not intended to be taken like that (but good ear) BTW, it was intended to be a metaphor for pride symbolism and culture. Yes, rainbows aren't inherently gay, my apologies and that was unintended.

Glad we could agree that the ones who want the bridge in ROYGBIV should fund it. That much is a satisfying ceasefire.

Nonbinary to me means "not wishing to be affiiated with either gender". It is one's own choice regardless of their sexuality, that just means to me at least that they have taken or feel traitsike those of both genders. im biologically a boy, f**k that this sucks for me, yeah. but small children don't need to choose that until later. theyre kids. kids say stupid shit all the time. when they become more aware and conscious then we will discuss their sexuality and identity for fact. for now, let them play with legos.

lgbtq education during elementary doesn't make much sense to me. and i dont like that you think of it as representation because we are really, really putting pride related media in front of children as often as core subjects. I cant type anymore in this msg

And secondly, to understand what non-binary gender is, you have to recognize that people are finding new ways to describe themselves. For some, non-binary means "I do not conform to gender stereotypes." Does that intrinsically mean that they're going to look like a woman if they're a man? No. Same for the reciprocal. Going by traditional gender roles and norms, I would be considered "non-Binary" as I am a stay at home Dad. I do not fit the bill for mother. But I do all the work a mother does in gender stereotypes. I call myself dad because this closer identifies with my sexuality, rather than my roles in the family. The call for this is through the notion that the right wing wants to push for traditional gender roles. Many people do not want to return to this archaic and restrictive way of living.