Six Day's War and Yom Kippur War

That's what the Zionist Hasbarah Ministry WANTS you to think.

Are you dumb or retarded? Israel won the 6 day war. I love you anti Zionists always want to bring up the USS Liberty attacks. Israel already said sorry and paid for compensation.

"Sorry" doesn't bring back the people that they deliberately MURDERED, in yet another Zionist warcrime and lying cover-up. They STILL haven't come clean. They still falsely claim it was an "accident". It wasn't. It was an attempt at (another) "false flag".

And use "dumb or retarded", only when looking into the mirror, fella.

""Sorry" doesn't bring back the people that they deliberately MURDERED, in yet another Zionist warcrime and lying cover-up. They STILL haven't come clean." They paid for compensation, and America forgave them, they dont care anymore. My question to you is, should we still be calling Belgium bad for the massacres in the Congo, cause it happened in the past? Because both Israel and Belgium said sorry and paid for compensation. Your still proving me your retarded. Also, were you part of the attacks on the USS Liberty or something? Because if not the whole world will benefit if you shut the hell up.
"And use "dumb or retarded", only when looking into the mirror, fella." What an original way to pin the truth to someone else.

The Government - run by Arch-Zionists like LBJ - gave their forgiveness on behalf of the Military - not those people and their families. The payments cannot replace a deliberately killed human being - but your Hasbarah on this matter does properly illustrate the requisite Zionist blood thirstiness, rationale, and the equation of human lives with pragmatic and economic and real politik concerns.

They admitted to-, and were forgiven upon- a fraudulent cover story - that is a direct insult to both the dead, and the survivors.

"The Government - run by Arch-Zionists like LBJ " Ah, yes, blame everything on Zionism. Thats all you people do. The colonization of the Congo's happened BEFORE the creation of Zionism.
"but your Hasbarah on this matter does properly illustrate the requisite Zionist blood thirstiness, rationale, and the equation of human lives with pragmatic and economic and real politik concerns." I love that you claim to know their history when in fact you don't its just so funny.
"They admitted to-, and were forgiven upon- a fraudulent cover story - that is a direct insult to both the dead, and the survivors." So we agree, both sides admitted, said sorry and paid for compensation, right? Your not doing a good job proving me your not retarded.

This is not a rational of evidence based argument - just contradiction - and dishonest contradiction at that. The first wave of modern Zionism starts in about 1666 with Sabbathai Zevi - who at least claimed to have a Messiah (himself). He was loathed and rejected (quite properly) by world Jewry, aside from the cult members in his Heretical sect. He was succeeded by Jacob Frank - who convinced a Rothschild to adopt the movement's goals, in a meeting also attended by Adam Weisshaupt, to my understanding. Much of that predates King Leopold and the Belgian atrocities in Congo. I wouldn't be surprised to find that as in Apartheid South Africa, and the colonial/slave era American South, that you'll find some Jewish participants, if not Zionists.

"The first wave of modern Zionism starts in about 1666 with Sabbathai Zevi" I have looked this guy up, and i can already tell you this entire argument is false. Hertzl created Zionism and he was born in 1860 and created Zionism years later.
"who at least claimed to have a Messiah (himself). He was loathed and rejected (quite properly) by world Jewry, " So in that case, should we reject the fact Moses recieved the Torah by god after climbing and waiting by mount Sinai? Also early Jews came from Egypt after being enslaved by Egyptians which took 700 years to do so. An when the jews escaped Egypt they settled at modern day Israel, and made a Jewish nation called Kingdom of Israel and Judea. Israel was a thing before the creation of Islam.
"Much of that predates King Leopold and the Belgian atrocities in Congo." Sigh, King Leopard wanted to colonize Africa because the others, Germany, Britain, France and Spain were colonizing Africa, not because of the jews.
"I wouldn't be surprised to find that as in Apartheid South Africa, and the colonial/slave era American South, that you'll find some Jewish participants, if not Zionists." There were absolutely zero jews during the Apartheid in South Africa, hense why there was a damn Apartheid. You probably dont even know what apartheid is. Your just proving me that you have a brain sized of a peanut.
But hey thanks for giving me a double Bingo.

There ABSOLUTELY were Jews involved in Apartheid South Africa. Who do you think owns DeBeers? I personally know mant South African Jews, who were born there, during Apartheid. And YES - I know what Apartheid is - wherever I see it. I marched against it in the 1980's - back when the Zionist Apartheid Entity was one of their last remaining supporters, right until the end.

Again - you resort to personal attacks - ad hominem arguments. And you didn't even realize that the Bingo game is based on long debunked Zionist lies.

Hertzl was the founder of the second wave of Zionism, which capitalized upon the support that Jacob Franks had already attained from at least one Rothschild, and the Luciferian Occultists, for the idea.

Ok, im replying to your previous comment as for some reason i cant comment on it.
"Who do you think owns DeBeers?" I really hope you know DeBeers is a jewelry store. So are you arguing about Jews or Jewlery. "You disagree because like everything on this page that you've written - you're repeating ahistorical propaganda" Well because it is propaganda. What more can i tell you. I'm sorry you cant handle the truth. "Again just more baseless denial," Also you spelled my name wrong, and i changed my username already, but i shou call you "AnotherHamasview". "Rather than making vague and inaccurate half-statements - why not just explain what you mean and where you heard it." Your literally blind to my own statements, no wonder why you see this as misinformation.
"The Genocidal Terrorism and eventual formation of an illegitimate Government was done by others, like Ben Gurion and Begin." Nope, Ben Gurion was a heroe. Not a genocidal murder, but the Palestinian leader was. "Professor's like Norman Finkelstein don't rely upon Hamas for their highly sourced and cited work." Are you sure about that? Because their "content" proves otherwise.

"There ABSOLUTELY were Jews involved in Apartheid South Africa." Your just proving me you dont know history at all. " And YES - I know what Apartheid is " Well your arguments dont really show that. "I marched against it in the 1980's - back when the Zionist Apartheid Entity was one of their last remaining supporters, right until the end." Tell me why im calling BS on this? But ehh, you dont even know yourself.
"Again - you resort to personal attacks - ad hominem arguments. And you didn't even realize that the Bingo game is based on long debunked Zionist lies." You remind me of the Hamas propaganda version of this, that is even worse.
"Hertzl was the founder of the second wave of Zionism, which capitalized upon the support that Jacob Franks had already attained from at least one Rothschild, and the Luciferian Occultists, for the idea." Lies, like always, Zvei, built the grounds for a movment of a Jewish state, but never carried it out, but Hertzl did, and succeded.

Again just more baseless denial, with zero reasoning or factual support... Who do you think owns DeBeers? They were big, in Apartheid South Africa. I've known plenty of Jewish South Africans. To the credit of some individual Jewish South Africans, some of them supported the ANC, and the fall of Apartheid, there.

You disagree because like everything on this page that you've written - you're repeating ahistorical propaganda, it seems. Rather than making vague and inaccurate half-statements - why not just explain what you mean and where you heard it.

In fact - the depraved and craven Zevi created a colony of early Zionist emigrés to Palestine, in his own time - which is the same thing Hertzl achieved in his own lifetime. The Genocidal Terrorism and eventual formation of an illegitimate Government was done by others, like Ben Gurion and Begin.

Professor's like Norman Finkelstein don't rely upon Hamas for their highly sourced and cited work. They're always careful to examine things taking into account the positions and biases of all sides - and then comparing to the provable facts, and documentation. If you were at a higher grade level, perhaps you'd be familiar with the processes of a academia, like peer review.

As for your comment where you speculated that I was either "dumb or retarded" (because I won't tolerate the Zionist lies that you hold dear and repeat, constantly) - It's both an ad hominem argument, and a "personal attack" barred by the stream rules... Should I have deleted it, and given you a timer, and/or brought to the Stream Owner.

To me it felt you were projecting.

As for Belgium - THEY STOPPED MASSACRING PEOPLE and keeping them in bondage - before they made the payout - so that's a bad analogy. But what about the German Genocide in Namibia? They haven't "paid" the current Government of Namibia, a thing, and they refuse to do so... Would it absolve them of guilt, if they did? Absolutely not. That sounds like the 'selling of indulgences'. And the US Government can't speak for the dead abd the survivors, or their families. But in answer to your question - NO! Belgium isn't off the hook for anything.

"As for your comment where you speculated that I was either "dumb or retarded" (because I won't tolerate the Zionist lies that you hold dear and repeat, constantly) - It's both an ad hominem argument, and a "personal attack" barred by the stream rules... Should I have deleted it, and given you a timer, and/or brought to the Stream Owner." You do realize, im also a moderator of the history stream, right? And no, i boost my facts to my heart, you in the other hand, have Hamas lies close to your heart.
"As for Belgium - THEY STOPPED MASSACRING PEOPLE and keeping them in bondage" So isn't Israel but Hamas certainty is. I'm just telling you the truth.

Your "truths" are in complete synchrony with Zionist Hasbarah - meaning deliberate lies and war propaganda. The "facts" being put to you - arrive there from the Zionist Entity's Military Censors, if you get it from CNN or other Tel Aviv or West Jerusalem-based American or European legacy media.

Reporters facing the constant risk of assassination (another Zionist war crime), while reporting from the ground in the Illegally Occupied West Bank and Gaza - tell a different, and objectively verifiable story. You call that "Hamas propaganda", apparently blissfully unaware that it's all objective and independent journalism, that passes honest fact-checking standards - unlike the lies carried by American legacy media. While the Zionist Entity's press is also censored and controlled - the news in Hebrew tends to include more interrogation of the propaganda, more criticisms and occasionally some useful information, not repeated here in the west, by our propaganda organs. If you followed The Grayzone, Mondo Weiss, the Electronic Intifada, and many other more knowledgeable analysts - you'd know this already.

I know that you're a Mod. I am too. It doesn't give you license to violate the stream's rules. You should be a exemplar of the rules, in your postings - rather than observing them only in their breach.

"Your "truths" are in complete synchrony with Zionist Hasbarah - meaning deliberate lies and war propaganda." Is it any better than the Hamas lies you believe in? No, no its not. Hamas is not a reliable source to go off of, but hey that's just you.
"The "facts" being put to you - arrive there from the Zionist Entity's Military Censors, if you get it from CNN or other Tel Aviv or West Jerusalem-based American or European legacy media." Nope, i get my facts from trustable sources and historians, like Mr. Beat. Or any historian who covers this conflict. You, not so much.
"Reporters facing the constant risk of assassination (another Zionist war crime)," No, they risk dying from IDF and Hamas crosshairs. Its not Israels fault Hamas puts their military bases in civilian cities.
you know, every country has propaganda right? Israel uses propaganda to boost morality in their soldiers, Hamas uses their propaganda to tell flat out lies to idiots like you. But hey, they certainty doing a good job at that category i must say. Overall, Israel has all the rights to this land, Palestine does not, all holy books state that sometimes you need to resort to violence to get back the holy land. Thats how foreign powers used to control the holy land. Also, i dont violate the rules, only when its the truth, just saying.

Again - you offer no evidence to properly contradict anything I've said - and instead insist that anything I say is "Hamas propaganda", when in fact, it is not. True the closest undercounting of the actual atrocities coming out of Gaza come from the civilian administration there (aka "Hamas") - but they are proven time and again to be the closest to accurate numbers available. They don't add a casualty without a toe tag, or a medical report. Meanwhile the bodies of the missing left under the rubble of their civilian homes remain uncounted by them.

I can tell you're being lied to by your sources (who in the hell is Mr. Beat!?!?) - because those lies are near-immediately debunked by more competent journalists and historians. Max Blumenthal at The Grayzone.com, for instance. He's Jewish, btw. He's been to Gaza, and all of occupied Palestine, written books and made documentaries on the subject, like his book "Goliath", for instance.

There's 0 of Hamas killing journalists in Gaza. Over ~ 200 are dead at Zionist Genocidal Forces hands, in Gaza, already. And it's a (war crime) tactic that the Zionists have been employing for a long time. They likewise deliberately murdered Al Jazeera Journalist Shireen Abu Akleh, in the illegally occupied West Bank, not too long ago, but long before October 7th. They lied about it immediately - trying to blame first - (non-Hamas) Palestinian resistance fighters - then a fire fight and a cross fire...and eventually just admitting it was a Zionist sniper - but still clinging to the lie that it was an accident. It's a common pattern.

If the Zionist entity used their propaganda, as you say, to "boost the morality in their soldiers" - then their soldiers wouldn't be massacring and starving 2 million innocent civilians, half of them children - people jist like you, though probably much better people than you, actually.

You have no evidence or arguments to price anything I wrote was untrue - but you call it all lies in non-specific fashion, and then misattribute my sources.

If you can't tell where your own posts are violating the stream rules - you shouldn't be a Mod.

Your reading of the holy books is selective and self-serving. If they were correct, then the State of Palestine wouldn't have needed British Imperialism and UN cover for its Nakba. The diaspora is divinely decreed - and Jews honored that for about 2000 years.

Without a Messiah - it isn't yours. Who was this Messiah? General Allenby and Lord Balfour? Hitler?

"ou started providing links to bad Hasbarah videos, far more recently, than when we started this current engagement," Ok, and you have been telling me Hamas propaganda this entire argument. If we are just going to say our sources are propaganda, then this argument is going nowhere, and that's something both of us can agree on. Wow, great link of how your telling me you lother in Hamas propaganda. "You ignore facts and evidence presented, and reply with laughable" Sounds like your argument tbh. Nope, its 30 minutes of pure information. "And no I didn't prove them - just the opposite." hmm, are you really sure about that? " in support of a resolution demanding a ceasefire and an end to the Genocide and Ethnic Cleansing in Occupied Palestine." The sad thing is, Hamas will get in the way, and Israel said they wont leave Gaza until Hamas is destroyed. "You claim your Palestinians on video are speaking freely, but ignore the duress of a Zionist Film crew," Damn bro i wonder where in the world do you see a film crew, soldiers saw this Gazan tell the IDF to stay in Gaza and recorded this to tell the truth, im sorry you cant handle it. "I see Palestinians speaking out saying just the opposite, all the time, from a variety of independent/uncontrolled media" As i said, if they spoke out against Hamas they would get killed. Im sorry your brain cant handle the truth. Hamas rose to power because they were extremely anti Israeli, but during October 6th there was a cease fire, but what happened the next day? Hamas is the reason why Gaza is suffering, not Israel.

"Small groups of Jews have existed in Palestine for a long time." Yeah but no one wanted to protest against the Sultan. Only when the Sultan fell out of power did Zionism create a country. Also you do realize the name Palestine was a punishment for jews after rebelling against the Romans. Zionism did not like the name, and changed it to Israel. "I don't have time to watch endless Hasbarah videos. You should always lead with your strongest material. Mr. Beat was pathetically weak." Then you will sure love (hate) the armchair historians version of this. As they are reliable sources than you propagandist max blumenthal. "It is YOU who don't understand the Jewish faith." I understand the Jewish faith, you dont. Your not even Jewish. "He recently debunked the Zionist lies about "Mass R*pes", as reported in the NY Times... " Ah yes, a attempted debunker, that ultimatly got debunked himself. "They lie consistently," Reminds me of Hamas, dont you think? "You're nowhere near him in stature. You have no credibility whatsoever. Max has many awards for his Journalism and publishing." Rewards of Propaganda thats what, his propaganda is so bad he puts Hamas to shame thats what. Also i love that you did not answer my question about why isnt G-d destroying Israel whatsoever. Are you afraid of this question? Because it reveals the truth. Its pathetic behavior your bousting right now.

Replying to you previous comment:
I think everyone, even you have Chutzpah.
"Mr. Beat omits or ignores a lot of the relevant facts and context in that video" Reminds me a lot about you, i can say that. "including the campaigns of terror by the Haganah" Alot of things that the Haganah did, the Arabs did the exact same, they attacked the British because they were lying to them. Seems you didnt fully understand the video at all.

*shouldn't try to seize power.

So what you're ignoring is that the Zionists were encroaching upon Palestinians' land. Palestinians didn't go to Europe and Britain, and start murdering-, r*ping-, stealing from-, torturing and generally oppressing- the Jews and future Zionists. You may engage in a gun battle with a murderous thief in your house - but the two of you are not equally entitled to violence. Violence as part of an aggressive and expansionist campaign - is not equivalent or justified - violence in defense against that other kind of violence IS. It's legal under International law, as armed resistance to settler-colonialism. You perspective of mutual crimes, reminds me of Solomon's feigned (unjust) Judgement in the case of the two alleged mothers, fighting over parental rights, and a baby. One is the mother and has a just claim. The other is a kidnapper/thief. Cutting the baby in half does justice to neither - and kills the baby.

Jews are entitled to live in the Holy land under two conditions under Jewish law. They shouldn't come in large numbers, and they should try to seize power - or murder, r*pe, steal, etc., in that attempt

And yes. Mr Beats gives an elementary school-level presentation, perfect for a reform/Zionist preschool. It is replete with "Lies of Ommission". For instance, he mentions the Haredi not being forced into the Army (outdated misinformation, itself) - but NOT WHY they are exempt, and why they refuse. It's because they refuse to recognize the Zionist Entity as being legitimate in any way, oppose it vociferously, and regard service in the (Genocidal) Zionist Military to be forbidden by Jewish law - on which, they are experts.

That was just one crucial error, in a 30 minute video that makes both factual and untrue statements, but also does so in isolation from the context that might make it a honest presentation of facts. It mentions Hamas - but not the overt support and assistance and permits that the Zionist Entity has given it, over time.

It also cited "The Economist" - which has long been well-known as a Rothschild-owned/controlled publication - and a mouthpiece for exclusively Imperialist and Zionist perspectives.

Replying to your previous argument.
"If you'd offered any evidence - I'd have something to deconstruct and disprove - aside from your baseless assertions. Please provide a quote or link to this evidence. Stuff you found on YouTube, a censorious Zionist and CIA-controlled platform -" you just proved me that you are blind to my sources, not a good move. Honestly, like how can you say i have no sources, yet blind to my sources. My god, i don't know if this is a troll or not, but no troll will make this much a fool of himself. "When we argued here previously, on your other memes - it was obvious that you were relying on garbage, and at some point I stopped bothering trying to have a rational conversation, in opposition your dishonest "Sealioning". The fact that I repeated a found object in a meme - simply implies that you weren't moved to do better, since the last time" All you are doing is proving my point. honestly, im probably taking to someone at gunpoint by Hamas at this point. "As I recall, one of them was a clip from the Zionist Hasbarah effort, of one (apparent) Palestinian " Nope, these were Palestinians realizing the true threat to Gaza, just like the PLO. Its sad how effective Hamas propaganda has been recently.
Bro, are you trying to say you support Israel or something? Because that link you showed me proves Hamas are the genocidal ones. Also, you haven't watched the Mr. Beat video i showed you. "Do we know that the speaker is actually a Palestinian from Gaza, and not 'a plant', or a quisling like Yusef Haddad?" Well, if you actually looked at the surroundings, you can tell this is form Gaza. Its fitting, even when Gazans tell you that Hamas are the bad ones, you still call it propaganda. Its just sad. Also you do realize, if a Gazan were to speak out against Hamas, they would get killed by Hamas. Thats why you don't see many people speaking out against Hamas, because their either afraid to get killed, or are killed. "One was at Al-Shifa Hospital - where someone claiming to be a nurse there, repeated all of the lies about a Hamas Headquarters there," Nope, said only the truth. You do realize, alot of the raids happen because of radical attacks on these places and hense why the Israeli police have to use force.

You started providing links to bad Hasbarah videos, far more recently, than when we started this current engagement, in the information warfare battle between Zionists and Palestinians. AND YES - you have been acting like a Disinformationalist Troll, this entire time. http://whale.to/m/disin.html

You ignore facts and evidence presented, and reply with laughable sources that take more time than they are worth, to properly address and debunk. That's classic "Sealioning" - a human (where one is lucky) DDoS attack.

Nonetheless, I took a few moments in that direction, breaking down why Mr. Beats isn't an honest and reliable presentation of the relevant facts. It's largely just 30 minutes of cherry-picking, lies of omission, and irrelevancies - put together to present a slanted view of History.

Your points remain without foundation - and unsupported. And no I didn't prove them - just the opposite. I'm (freely) typing this right now, while waiting to address the Santa Monica City Council, in support of a resolution demanding a ceasefire and an end to the Genocide and Ethnic Cleansing in Occupied Palestine.

You claim your Palestinians on video are speaking freely, but ignore the duress of a Zionist Film crew, directly supported by the Zionist Genocidal forces on the scene with them. I see Palestinians speaking out saying just the opposite, all the time, from a variety of independent/uncontrolled media. Palestinian support for the Resistance is near Universal. Those who disagree get cushy Hasbarah jobs in Tel Aviv, like Yusef Haddad's.

But even in Vietnam, you could find those who opposed their struggle of National Liberation, and its immense costs. It didn't make them a majority, or the winning side, once US Puppet support for Saigon was withdrawn. How would Hamas, in tunnels, monitor and kill people being used in a Zionist propaganda video, when there's Zionist soldiers, right there. But the speakers MIGHT be killed by the Zionist soldiers, if they fail to perform - assuming that these are even Palestinians, and not just actors, brought to the scene. Why would Palestinians support their own Genocide and displacement? Opposition to Hamas may be for many legitimate reasons, without support for the Zionist Occupation and Genocide being among them.

Your examples are cherry-picked at best - where not completely fraudulent. Hamas has many supporters.

"conducted against Palestinians from 1917 until 1948." So, Jews and Zionists predate Palestinians then huh? Bro mr. Beat is very much aware of the things people accuse Israel of. So you will also say the Armchair historian was a Zionist as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5UkjhqY4io
"Max Blumenthal KNOWS his history. " BS, if he dosent even know his own religion, he will not know the history of Israel. You do realize hes also a heavily propagandist as well right. Also he is not Jewish at all, i searched him up, no sources say hes Jewish at all.

No. You're not even demonstrating passable reading comprehension. Small groups of Jews have existed in Palestine for a long time. They often considered themselves to be Palestinians. The Zionists are recent imports.

I don't have time to watch endless Hasbarah videos. You should always lead with your strongest material. Mr. Beat was pathetically weak.

It is YOU who don't understand the Jewish faith. You follow the Zionist Heresy. And that's just another Ad Hominem dismissal, of a Journalist, researcher, author and historian, with a VAST amount of impeccable work. He recently debunked the Zionist lies about "Mass R*pes", as reported in the NY Times... They lie consistently, so there was never any retraction - but they pulled an episode of their podcast prior to broadcast, and there was a huge uproar in their newsroom.

You're nowhere near him in stature. You have no credibility whatsoever. Max has many awards for his Journalism and publishing.

Reply with the same image of our previous argument, hmm, i wonder who really recycles their arguments.
"Again - you offer no evidence to properly contradict anything I've said" Ive offered it, you refuse to acknowledge it. "nd instead insist that anything I say is "Hamas propaganda", when in fact, it is not" I can insure you it very much is. " but they are proven time and again to be the closest to accurate numbers available. They don't add a casualty without a toe tag, or a medical report. Meanwhile the bodies of the missing left under the rubble of their civilian homes remain uncounted by them." I have a simple answer, Hamas makes does numbers up as even Hamas deaths are counted as civilian deaths.
'I can tell you're being lied to by your sources (who in the hell is Mr. Beat!?!?)" Here, this is one of Mr. Beats videos about the Israeli Palestinian conflict, but you probably wont watch it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCXfKVBjFRo
"historians. Max Blumenthal at The Grayzone.com, for instance." More like liers, and they are not jewish, if they dont know their own history, they are not Jewish. Simple as that.
"There's 0 of Hamas killing journalists in Gaza. Over ~ 200 are dead at Zionist Genocidal Forces hands," You really think Hamas is just going to admit they kill people? My god, your stupidity is showing. Here is a video of Gazans telling the IDF to stay in Gaza:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBjvYkNzuAA
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kfsPPvA8nLE
If this is not proof to you that Hamas are the genocidal ones, than i dont know what is frankly. " then their soldiers wouldn't be massacring and starving 2 million innocent civilians, half of them children - people jist like you, though probably much better people than you, actually. " then their soldiers wouldn't be massacring and starving 2 million innocent civilians, half of them children - people jist like you, though probably much better people than you, actually." The thing is, their not, Hamas certaintly is tho.
"Your reading of the holy books is selective and self-serving. If they were correct, then the State of Palestine wouldn't have needed British Imperialism and UN cover for its Nakba. The diaspora is divinely decreed - and Jews honored that for about 2000 years." You do realize that Britain was the main key of Israeli independence, right? Our Messiah is Moses, final.

If you'd offered any evidence - I'd have something to deconstruct and disprove - aside from your baseless assertions. Please provide a quote or link to this evidence. Stuff you found on YouTube, a censorious Zionist and CIA-controlled platform - 🤦.

When we argued here previously, on your other memes - it was obvious that you were relying on garbage, and at some point I stopped bothering trying to have a rational conversation, in opposition your dishonest "Sealioning". The fact that I repeated a found object in a meme - simply implies that you weren't moved to do better, since the last time.

I've watched the links you offered on that meme. They were useless. As I recall, one of them was a clip from the Zionist Hasbarah effort, of one (apparent) Palestinian (out of 2 million) adopting the Zionist strategy of blaming everything that befell Gaza, on Hamas...as if the Zionist Genocide on the Palestinians doesn't far predate the founding of Hamas (- with Zionist aid and approval https://www.thehandstand.org/archive/jan2002/EdcellJan2002/rezeq/ ) .

Do we know that the speaker is actually a Palestinian from Gaza, and not 'a plant', or a quisling like Yusef Haddad? No... We sure don't. Do we know that he really feels that way - or is he just saying whatever he thinks that the Zionist cameras and media team want him to say - to avoid being immediately murdered, or detained and tortured, at the least? We don't. And it should be noted that there's been several versions of these Zionist Hasbarah videos produced.

One was at Al-Shifa Hospital - where someone claiming to be a nurse there, repeated all of the lies about a Hamas Headquarters there, and then blamed Hamas for the ongoing Genocide on Gaza... The problem is - everyone else that works at Al Shifa contradicted him about the Hospital being a Headquarters, and they also said that they'd never seen him before - that he wasn't a nurse at the hospital - and that the Zionists brought him, to stage a phony video shoot in the Hospital.

And no - Al Shifa's basement was the site of another Zionist massacre, (during their 4th "raid" there, totally destroying its utility as a place of medical care), not a Hamas base. If that lie about a Hamas base had been true - then one "raid" should have fixed the problem, and freed all of the Zionist captives.

That was just a COVER STORY - for Genocide and War Crimes - like attacking Hospitals and doctors, and civilian non-combatants and aid workers and journalists, etc..

You have a lot of Chutzpah - I'll give you that.

Mr. Beat omits or ignores a lot of the relevant facts and context in that video - including the campaigns of terror by the Hagganah, Irgun and Stern Gang, conducted against Palestinians from 1917 until 1948. He thanks a bunch of Zionists, for his editing of his script. He cites Rashid Khalidi in his notes, apparently for demographic data and perhaps notions of Palestinian national self-identity - but not the broader context of his support for the Palestinian cause. From Wiki(spooki)pedia (editing largely controlled by Mossad, MI-6 and CIA teams, founder Jimmy Wales is a huge Imperialism and Zionism supporter):
" Historian and Israeli Ambassador to the United States Michael Oren has stated that "Khalidi is mainstream" because "the stream itself has changed. The criteria for scholarship have become very political."[27]". Khalidi is a member of the US' CFR. So this is an example of cherry-picking sources that are more favorable to a particular narrative - while feigning impartiality.

Max Blumenthal KNOWS his history. He knows and keeps the Jewish faith, and authentic, G-dly, Jewish values. That's why he opposes the Zionist project. You don't get to declare who's Jewish, based upon some specious political criteria - like support for a "State" forbidden in the Torah, until a day of G-d's choosing - not man's. Jews are not a monolith - and for the overwhelming majority have opposed human efforts to create "a Jewish State", in the Holy land, without G-d's okay and effort - through a Messiah. The idea of murderous Genocidal Zionist settler fanatics, that they can force G-d's hand, is pure heresy.

Britain is an Imperial power. Moses was NOT the Messiah. That's not even a good reading of the Torah. The "Promise" of "the Promised Land" was ALWAYS conditional. Re-read Ezra and the later Prophets if you want the Jewish take on the Divinely decreed exile.

"Palestinians didn't go to Europe and Britain, and start murdering-, r*ping-, stealing from-, torturing and generally oppressing- the Jews and future Zionists. " bro, Hamas has done all the R&pe, murder, stealing, where are you getting this BS from, oh right, middle east eye, you realize that there is a video that debunks this shit right? here:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pu4ICASBvWo
Also, the Jews were forced into exile in Europe, thanks to the Romans, they never wanted to leave the homeland. The Zionist retook the holy land. "but the two of you are not equally entitled to violence. Violence as part of an aggressive and expansionist campaign " Sometimes violence is necessary if the other side calls for a war, hense the October 7th attack. "Jews are entitled to live in the Holy land under two conditions under Jewish law. They shouldn't come in large numbers, and they should try to seize power - or murder, r*pe, steal, etc., in that attempt" Zionism promised that and fulfilled it, they R&ped no one, but Hamas certainty did. "And yes. Mr Beats gives an elementary school-level presentation" Nope, Mr.Beat gives a good example of this conflict, someone like you need desperately. And did you watch the other video i sent you, or the first video i sent you at all? Yeah, its safe to say, you hate the truth, but do i blame you? Sort of, as the truth does hurt. But hey, eventually you will accept the truth, also did you even answer my question at all? You didnt, because you dont know the answer. So it proves, that G-d protects Israel and Zionism.

That's a personal attack (a rule violation), and entirely fraudulent.

Zionists are a diverse group of: Jews that reject the Torah and Jewish law, misled Christians, anti-Jewish Bigots, Imperialists and even Luciferians -using them to defame Torah-faithful Jews, and the very name G-d, through the iniquities being done in his and their name.

Zionism is a weaponization of Jewish Identity, a heretical subversion of Jewish law and religion - which replaces faith in the Almighty, with Genocidal Ethno-Supremacism.

My Bar Mitzvah was in 1984. You can just STFU, if you haven't had yours. Even if you have, you clearly need to do more study, about the Jewish religion - as contra-distinct from Zionism.

It's true that Jews and Zionists are two different things, but a ton of people still confuse them with each other.

That's why the pro-Israel stream is called Pro Israel Coalition, not Pro Zionist Coalition.

The Zionists DELIBERATELY promote the confusion. Personally, I don't see how you can defy the Almighty, be in open rebellion against G-d, the Torah and centuries of Jewish law and tradition - and still claim to be Jewish. These things appear to be incompatible, on their face.

Torah-faithful Jews, like the Neturei Karta and the Satmars, etc., don't come out that hard and say it like I did there - but they former at least call it antithetical to authentic Judaism, and a Satanic ideology.

Most anti-Zionists are also pro-Palestinian, but it does not have to be this way. Many true Israelis also oppose Zionism, while at the same time they opposed Palestine.

Well some Israelis oppose the Government. But still, they prefer the Government over a potential free Palestine. As yes they have all the right to worry, if Israel was under the rule of Palestine, lots of Jews would get displaced, and killed even, and lots of rights would get taken away. Also i heard if they gain power over the land, there will be a second holocaust. So the radical Palestinians have Nazi Intent, just don't have the power to do so.

Yeah fr, it would be better for both sides, not just Israel.

Yeah, they would still prefer most people over an independent Hamas nation

Yeah, there are many protests in favor of destroying Rafah, as its the last city Hamas is in to secure Israeli victory.

Well, hopefully it gets captured very soon. That way, not only there will be Israel's victory, but also there will be much less deaths.

yeah, but the invasion will cost a lot of civilian deaths as Hamas like to put their bases in civilian areas, but in the long term no more Palestinians will die.

The USA is to blame for both wars, they puppeteered the conflicts and caused political distaste between nations. With all they did in the Middle East, it is no wonder that the nations there hate each other, attack each other, and cause murder and genocides. While it's true that Israel has did several genocides of their own, the Arab nations have done so too, and in larger numbers.

https://youtu.be/mEfYVUzgxCk Here's a very tight half hour from Norman Finkelstein and host Glenn Greenwald. Finkelstein is both an amazing historian - and the son of two Holocaust survivors - all of his other relatives were wiped out. The attempts to malign him are just pure mishagoss.

No. There are no comparable Genocides in the recent history of Arab Governments. Not even the ISIS troops that work for NATO with Zionist Entity assistance - STILL.

Iran and Saudi Arabia just repaired their relationships, thanks to China. So the strife os externally imposed - and the Zionists are part of the process. The Saudi war on Yemen was done with Zionist Entity cooperation and approval - not just US, or NATO.

I may be on the side of Israel, but I just wanted to let you know that I also oppose Zionism. They may have been created for a better cause, but over time they strayed from their original values. This meme is not supposed to be pro- or anti-Zionist, but just plain history. I see that we hold opposing views on this topic, but I don't want to argue with you.

That's fine. I'm trying to give you access to better information. Hebrew school is typically Zionist propaganda school. Unless you go to a Tirah-Faithful Orthodox Synagogue, typically you'll be getting a lot of propagandizing from the B'mah as well.

As for the Historical value of the meme... It starts with Zionist settler-colonialists with a gun being pointed at them - then reversing the situation... That ignores what they did to make the Arab world angry enough to pull a gun, after offering the Jewish people shelter (from European bigotry) for about a thousand years. That's all I was trying to imply with my critique. Personally - I think that if you read the diaries and less public speeches of Weitzman and Hertzl and Meir and Ben Gurion - you'll find that Zionism always had 'a public position, and a private position' - just like a former First Kady/Secretary of State/Democratic Presidential Candidate. Meaning they spoke much more candidly, about the truth of Palestine, and about the nature of their project being inherently genocidal - despite their public statements to the contrary.

I guess

All this meme says is that Israel won those 2 wars, which is a fact that even Arabs know. I'm not saying anything else though, like who started it or who was right.

While I don't exactly support Zionism, it is true that Israel won both of those wars. Modern Zionism has strayed from the original values of Judaism and are a whole different thing now. True Israel does not do those things that radical Zionists often do.

Don't waste your time with this guy. Hes pretty much allergic to the truth. Now i do agree with you, Zionism is not the best in the world, but Zionism was created to protect jews from oppression in Europe.

While me and him don't agree with our views on Israel, he is still a good ally of mine in cases concerning the Russo-Ukrainian War. We try to not argue with each other, though.

oh, well im telling you of my own experience arguing with him, so yeah. But im letting you know, when it comes to Israel, he will take lots of Hamas propaganda, and calls them "reliable sources". But thats just my experience.

Yeah, when it comes to Israel, I try to stay off that topic with him. Other than that, we are pretty good with each other.

Well thats good to know

Yeah
He is my ally in matters concerning Russia, while you're my ally concerning Israel.
It's good to have both

yeah fr

"Allergic to the Truth" describes Zionist Hasbarah, perfectly.

Nope, it described you crystal clear

You're entitled to your own opinion - not your own facts. The history of Zionism built on a foundation of lies - about the Jewish faith and religion, for instance - and continues in a crooked fashion, from there. We know there was a Palestine - because it was stamped on Golda Meir's first passport, and the coin minted to celebrate the collaboration with Nazi Germany.

My intitled to my own facts, your entitled to your own propaganda.
"The history of Zionism built on a foundation of lies - about the Jewish faith and religion, for instance - and continues in a crooked fashion, from there" Then you don't know the history of Zionism what so ever. It was built to stop Jewish oppression in Europe, and boost for a Jewish state. Israel takes care of Palestinians better than Hamas could ever could. And these images are you just doubling down on Hamas propaganda. Im sorry that you cant handle the truth, not my fault you so engraved in Hamas propaganda.

I clearly know the history of Zionism, better than the commonly repeated lies, that you just related there.

Zionism was founded by atheists and assimilationists who were born into Jewish families. They were despised as dangerous heretics and criminals, from the very beginning, by the majority of world Jewry, until 1967, when the illegal seizure of Jerusalem and dishonest propaganda about the Six day war started to tip the scales of Jewish public opinion.

People who don't believe in the Torah, or practice Judaism - aren't really Jewish. They're simply atheists born into Jewish families. Judaism is a religion, not a race. And those [Zionists] who persecute the faithful, are traditionally regarded as the seed of Amalek by Torah-Faithful Jews.

If you follow the Torah - you cannot have a "Jewish State" anywhere on Earth, until you have a Messiah. It's forbidden, just like returning to the holy land in great numbers is. Jews fleeing oppression in Europe were free to go anywhere else, in the world to take refuge, while maintaining the divinely decreed diaspora. For a thousand years, that has been in the Arab and Islamic world. More recently we have America, from which, the most virulent Genocidal ethno-supremacist Kahanist bigots, in unlawfully occupied Palestine, tend to go back and forth.

"I clearly know the history of Zionism, better than the commonly repeated lies, that you just related there." stop the cap, like seriously, the amount of propaganda in this argument is contages.
"Zionism was founded by atheists and assimilationists who were born into Jewish families. They were despised as dangerous heretics and criminals, from the very beginning, by the majority of world Jewry, until 1967, when the illegal seizure of Jerusalem and dishonest propaganda about the Six day war started to tip the scales of Jewish public opinion." Nope, Hertzl was a jew that experienced heavy antisemetic acts, and decided to have enough of all the hate crimes and formed a movement to stop Jewish suffering and boost for a Jewish state. I love that you have no idea of the history of Zionism, yet you claim you do. Its just pathetic honestly.
You know what, heres a proper video showing the history of Israel and Zionism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9kj-h1w2tA
But probably will be useless as you will say, "HaSbArA PrOpAgAnDa"
"People who don't believe in the Torah, or practice Judaism - aren't really Jewish. They're simply atheists born into Jewish families. Judaism is a religion, not a race. And those [Zionists] who persecute the faithful, are traditionally regarded as the seed of Amalek by Torah-Faithful Jews." Zionists practice judiasm, the only ones that dont are Zionist Arabs and Christians. Because unlike Palestine, Israel protects all religions.
"If you follow the Torah - you cannot have a "Jewish State" anywhere on Earth, until you have a Messiah." I really wonder where in the torah does it say that, i really wonder. Anti Zionist at it again, trying to justify why Jews should not return to their land. Honestly, why do i sacrifice my brain cells arguing with you?

You need to stop listening exclusively to your own side (they're notorious liars). Hertzl wasn't religious. If he was a religious Jew, he wouldn't have been seeking a worldly and materialist 'solution' to a temporary situation - that made things permanently much worse, by orders of magnitude. Religious Zionism is an aspiration backed by piety and prayer, and following all of the many Chalaka - in hopes that G-d will send a Messiah, and end the exile and diaspora.

Political Zionism ignores the Torah, and that Divine judgement against the (stiff-necked) Jewish people - seeking to end the exile by the hands of man. The idea of creating a Jewish sovereignty in some other place was also prohibited by the Torah and Jewish law, but only in that one respect. There were other locations considered, like Patagonia, and Madagascar and even a proposed Jewish Oblast in Russia. They were all rejected because the propaganda wouldn't have been as convincing, they lacked the same Imperial utility - and because frankly, the sacrilegious offense wasn't going to be as great.

Zionists practice what has become a very popular heresy. It's a rejection of Jewish law and the Torah. It's a Cult.

People following the Torah - is why Jews remained in exile/diaspora for about 2000 years. G-d's offer of a 'Promised Land', was part of a covenant. G-d followed his part of the bargain - the Jewish people did not. And so, after the brief period of the history of Palestine that you focus upon, the Jews were expelled by a Divine Mandate, using the Babylonians and Romans to achieve the prophesized results.

Please find a Yarmulke in this picture of the first Zionist Congress, and point it out to me.

"You need to stop listening exclusively to your own side (they're notorious liars)" Reminds me of the other side a lot. "Hertzl wasn't religious" He was. End of story. Why do you think he would boost for a jewish country? If he was an atheist, Israel would not exist, im finding 0 logic in how he was atheist, like seriously. The only solution to stop hatred towards jews was to have a Jewish country. Why are you still trying to justify why jews should not have their holy land. Idk if your trying to be antisemitic in the clothes of a historian. "Political Zionism ignores the Torah, " Political Zionism ENDORES the torah, just with their current position, they cant take their full time with it. They were in exile because they rebeled against the Roman rule, and after their exile, the romans changed the name to Palestina to erase all Jewish history in that land. Palestine wasn't even an Arab name.
"here were other locations considered, like Patagonia, and Madagascar and even a proposed Jewish Oblast in Russia. They were all rejected" They were all rejected because either some were to ristrict jews by other countries or the following host countries refused them. Also, at the time, British owned the land of Palestine, to count as an independent country, you can not be ruled by a foreign power. Palestine does not check that box before 1948. And Britain made Jews and Arabs share that land, but when both were becoming violent, the British left that land for the UN and they drew the borders, which Israel accepted, but not the Palestinians, and started a war, and lost.
"Zionists practice what has become a very popular heresy. It's a rejection of Jewish law and the Torah. It's a Cult." Nope, Zionism are religious jews. Also, did you even watch the video i linked you? Because if you say i have no sources, yet ignore my sources, not really a good move. "People following the Torah - is why Jews remained in exile/diaspora for about 2000 years. G-d's offer of a 'Promised Land', was part of a covenant" Zionism would fulfil that promise. "Please find a Yarmulke in this picture of the first Zionist Congress, and point it out to me." Now this is my question, early jew did not have Yamika's at all, so were they jews? Because at the time, Yamika's did not exist, my fellow Rabbi told me they were made in the late 80s.

Also, another question to you is, If G-d was so against the creation of Zionism and Israel, why didnt G-d allow the Arab powers annex Israel as soon as it was born? huh. I bet you dont have an answer to that.