The Most Interesting Disease in the World

THEM:

Get the vaccine because it:
Is safe and effective.
Prevents you from getting infected. Prevents you from transmitting the virus.
Prevents you from dying

ME:

Correlation is not causation

FAUCI #1: You don't need to wear a mask.

The vaccine is safe and effective.
Get the vaccine and you will not get the virus. You cannot transmit the virus.
You will not die.
The benefits outweigh the risks.

FAUCI #2: You should wear a mask.

The vaccine is safe and effective.
Get the vaccine for best protection against serious disease if you happen to get the virus.
You cannot transmit the virus.
You will not die.
The benefits outweigh the risks.

FAUCI #3: You don't need to wear a mask.

The vaccine is safe and effective.
Get the vaccine and you will not get as sick when contract the virus.
You will have far greater risk of transmitting the virus.
You will not die.
The benefits outweigh the risks.

FAUCI #4: You need to wear a mask if around unvaccinated people.

The vaccine is safe and effective.
Get the vaccine to get some protection from serious illness.
Breakthrough transmissions are possible.
You have a greatly reduced chance of dying.
The benefits outweigh the risks.

FAUCI #5: Masks are not 100% reliable but wear one anyway to get some protection...maybe.

The vaccine is safe but it is novel and some people experience rare side effects that result in serious injury or death but you will need a booster to get maximum protection.
Vaccines have never offered 100% protection from getting a disease or dying, they may lessen your symptoms and risk of death.
You can still transmit the virus.
You have a lesser chance of dying.
The benefits outweigh the risks.

FAUCI #6: ... booster, transmit, die, the benefits outweigh the risks.

FAUCI #7: ... booster, transmit, die, etc.
FAUCI #8: ... booster, transmit, die, etc. FAUCI #9: ... booster, transmit, die, etc.

🥳NOW AVAILABLE FOR KIDS!🥳

You get the idea.

Correction: FAUCI #3 should read "you will have far LESSER risk of transmitting...

Average anti vaxxer. Imagine blaming life preservers for a ship sinking. 8i7q8d.jpg (click to show)

Thanks for the slanderous label. I really didnt know what I was until you told me.
This meme is merely promoting fair judgment in science and medicine, which you are clearly opposed to. You have a promising career in the drug manufacturing industry.

Also, I think what you mean is blaming the drowning deaths of those aboard on the life preservers—which no one would ever do.

However, the ingredients causing buoyancy that make those life preservers so effective are generally well known, tried, tested and true to everyone who puts them on their body; and not once does anyone need ingest those life preservers, or place them inside their body for them to work.
And if the life preserver fails to work, it is easily known AND discarded from the body.

That's simply not possible with the cure, so your comparison falls flat.
Imagine knowing how to even pronounce some of those other ingredients in the cure, let alone what they are really for..

Furthermore, one cannot prove whether the mass of population were given a potato instead, if that would have made a lick of difference, because all of the controlled-group tests that praised the efficacy of the cure were paid for by the same people who concocted the cure.

I know the school system has failed to teach you how, but you need to begin to recognize the many Conflicts of Interest that plague our society. The state of our nations will make so much more sense to you.

Meanwhile in other news...

Journalist, Who Demanded Concentration Camps for Unvaccinated, Dead at 33

40-Year-Old Fox News Journalist Diagnosed with Turbo Cancer after Covid Shot
Fox news pressured her to take the jab or lose her job.

I’m a maintenance tech for an ultrasound machine manufacturer. I’ve both experienced long covid first hand and seen what it does to people. I’ve seen people beg for the vaccine on their deathbeds when it was too late as they died alone in quarantine.

I’m a progressive who wants money out of politics because of the conflict of interests.
My moby dick is the decision on citizens United.

I’m people never thought there would be a flat earth movement in 2024 or blame vaccines for a pandemic yet here we are.

Saying the vaccine failed to prevent you from getting sick is like blaming the life preserver for getting you wet. The analogy does not in fact fall flat.

The vaccine was to prevent deaths first, lowering infection times or preventing them was just a secondary benefit.

You know the vaccine was presented at the start as the way to totally prevent illness and/or death.

Denying that is to engage in disingenuousness.

I saw both types in ICUs, the sorry they DID NOT get the vaccine, and the sorry they DID get the vaccine.

I spoke with many, many elderly people that presented in emergency departments with covid pneumonia that all said the same thing:

"I don't understand. We got all of our shots".

Every time I worked a field vaccination clinic I thought, "this must be how the soldiers felt when they herded people onto the trains".

You could see the panic in their eyes. They were vulnerable and so very grateful. They thought we were saving them and their loved ones.

Some of us thought we were, others of us did not.

They told people if you are vaccinated you can visit granny again because you won't be able to carry/transmit the virus - FALSE.

People are angry. They feel lied to, as they should, because they were.

Who was the head of the cheerleading squad for the vaccine, ensuring safety and effectiveness?

A man getting a royalty payment for every dose of vaccine sold, including all of the recommended boosters.

He, and several people that worked at NIH were making money to literally put in their bank accounts for every dose sold.

Putting aside all passions for or against the vaccine, do you see that as a conflict of interest?

We can argue safety for the next ten years before we find out which side is right, for all the good that does.

What can't be disputed is that the vaccine was/is largely ineffective.

You are of course aware that you no longer are required to have a covid vaccine to work in healthcare.

Tell me why that is.

Hep B, Flu vaccination still required but not covid.

Why?

That may have been how the media portrayed it but that’s not how the scientific community had been saying in their reports as how effective the vaccine was going to be at preventing out right illness was going to be difficult because determining necessary viral load on a virus that small is well tricky even if hadn’t mutated.

I call bull on that story.
If you truly felt like you were a nazi loading Jews on trains for slaughter why did you stand by and do nothing like a coward.

I was learning about that genocide on the Jews and my people since I was ten and I would never participate in such an act much like how I don’t support the genocide in Gaza, I didnt support drone striking civilians, nor attacking 2 countries that had nothing to do with the terrorists on 9/11 but the one country that did was considered an ally.

The reason Covid wasn’t mandated anymore is because your Supreme Court ruled unconstitutional while others were valid and nothing more. Had the government gotten its way you could have avoided the vaccine by wearing a mask and testing for Covid more frequently.

That was how the face of the pandemic, Anthony "I am the Science" Fauci portrayed the vaccine.

You call bull on what story?

How is it you advocate the vaccine yet find fault with my ability to set aside my personal feelings on the subject to perform what you would consider a great a public service?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you are against stuff, such as sticking to the premise of the discussion...genocide 🙄

Do you consider virtue signaling but taking no action, providing no assistance, or intervening in any meaningful way cowardice?

Regarding healthcare worker vaccination:

You are incorrect.

The Supreme Court had nothing to do with the rescinding of the vaccination requirement.

Care to take another jab at why? 🤭

I don’t find fault in you “setting aside your personal feelings.” I’m saying I think you are lying as if you truly believed you were participating in something akin to genocide of the Jews you either did nothing like a coward and were complicit or you are just lying. Wouldn’t be the first fake whistleblower.

First off I’ve been on here more then long enough to know maga can’t set aside their feelings on how a leftist orders a ham sandwhich much less the vaccines.

Second of all that article is lowering the restrictions now that Covid 19 is only endemic instead of a global pandemic. Akin to the Spanish flu pandemic.

Third That is an absolute crock. When Biden attempted to mandate the vaccine for anyone doing government contract work like my place did we had begun to set up an authentication system to confirm our vaccine status. When the conservative Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional we had to dismantle that authentication system.
Instead investing in stronger anti microbial countermeasures such as anti microbial tape, uv sanitation, and thermal sensors.

You are talking way beyond your ken.

I have made no inference of having been a "whistleblower".

You are creating a textbook straw man fallacy argument which one does, as you have demonstrated, to ignore another person's position on the issue, and instead exaggerate, misrepresent, or create a distorted version of that position.

One tends to do so because exaggerating another's position, it makes their position easier to attack.

Is it your assertion that I did a great public service by participating in ensuring large numbers of people that wanted to be vaccinated were vaccinated and that I am a coward for doing so?

But perhaps you are unfamiliar with how healthcare works financially. I will offer you rudimentary insight.

Although the government mandating vaccination is unconstitutional, an employer has the right to place mandates on its employees.

My employer stated many times the vaccine was voluntary up to the date the first FDA "full" approval was granted.

Immediately, as described in the article you mention I posted, a government agency, CMS, The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, sent out notice to all healthcare facilities that if they did not require vaccination of every employee, CMS would not reimburse the facility for any treatment of medicare or medicaid patients.

It bears noting that there were significant enhancements to what a facility could bill for covid related care at stake as well.

The one with the gold makes the rules.

Faced with losing several millions in annual revenue from CMS, the facilities did as they were told.

Now, you assert that the vaccine is tried and true as being safe and effective.

Also, people are still getting sick and dying of covid and one side of the debate maintains the unvaccinated are the driving force behind that fact.

So why now does CMS rescind their covid vaccine requirement that was imposed out of great concern for public health?

Also, you did not answer whether or not you believe someone who is against, say a current genocide, for example, that virtue signals but takes no action, provides no assistance, or intervenes in any meaningful way is a coward?

Nah okay I’m not engaging with this particular bs anymore.

You know damn well that I’m saying you by your own logic. We’re helping in the act of something akin to genocide yet did nothing. Meaning you’re either lying or a coward.

That’s not straw manning that’s pointing out a hole in your story that doesn’t track.

And I doubt the conservatives on here and you would be so chummy knowing you participated in what you claim is akin to genocide.

I call bullshit.

You also didnt answer his last question about CMS. Id be curious as to what you say, since we all know the disease is still here.

Your response is as expected.

If conservatives knew?

😄 You mean everyone can see what I type?!?!?!?!

Birdy birdy...

Ridiculous.

While you are calling bs, allow me to draw attention to the fact that you never answered this question I asked you after you called me a coward:

Do you believe someone is a coward who is against something, say a current genocide, for example, that virtue signals but takes no action, provides no assistance, or intervenes in any meaningful way?

I have asked it 3 times.

Why do you keep avoiding an answer?

How did I guess someone like you would work for the medical industry... I bet you are doing very well for yourself, too.

Reverting to anecdotal arguments is subjective at best.
What difference does it make whether those people who were pleading for a vaccine, were rather pleading for a priest?
Either is irrelevant, since their personal opinions have no effect on whether the vaccine actually saved lives or not. However, you only would use one of those people in your anecdotes, because they share your personal political opinion..

Furthermore, applying the Placebo Effect, I bet if you HAD given a 'fake vax' to those people pleading for it, half of them would have probably gotten better, thanking the vaccine for saving them!

I cant PROVE that, however, any more than you can prove that vaxxing 100% of the population would have been any more effective than forcing every person in the country to consume a portion of fresh fruit and vegetables everyday for a year. (arguably, the fruit n veggies would have done much more good).

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I feel sorry, however, for those naive fools who religiously depend on what the medical industry tells them about their health and safety. Why?

"Results of the new analysis of national data found that across all clinical settings, including hospital and clinic-based care, an estimated 795,000 Americans die or are permanently disabled by diagnostic error EACH YEAR, confirming the pressing nature of the public health problem." J.Hop

Now, if we compare this to the highest (overinflated) COVID causes of deaths, which as of 2023 is 1.1 million over 3 years in the US, we can see that the real life-threatening pandemic is not a virus, but one of continual medical incompetence.

Therefore, since there are nearly as many (or more) friendly-fire deaths caused by ‘frontline heroes’ as there have been deaths caused by the greatest pandemic in recent history, why would anyone in their right mind trust what the medical industry has to say about medical safety protocols for patients and the general public?

It truly manifests the power that BIG media, education and entertainment indoctrination has over the unsuspecting populace.

You spittin' fire! 🔥

Actually I can prove that vaccinating the population works because remember how measles was irradiated from U.S. soil for nearly 20 years thanks to a vaccination rate against it of about 92 percent.

Now that vaccination rates are dropping Florida is in the middle of an outbreak of measles in its school system.

We as a species managed to eliminate an entire illness from our shores only for it to comeback because of sheer ignorance disguising itself a skepticism. And similar illnesses such as polio are likely to come back as vaccination rates decline.

You do not consider illegal immigrants from impoverished countries with little to no access to health care, that are largely unvaccinated, are carrying these diseases into the US?

If not, why do you dismiss the possibility.

Oh I’m sorry forgot one other scenario.

You can also have American citizens go abroad and return home and if they are unvaccinated practically guaranteed to become symptomatic carriers or much like scenario 2 return home as bred silent carriers but that plays out pretty much as scenario 2.

You mean just like an illegal immigrant?

What is your argument against the ability of illegal immigrants to bring and spread disease?

Do you have one?

Your litany of hypotheticals and red herrings do not address why you deny this very realistic possibility.

First off even if we took that at face value measles doesn’t care if you come in legally or illegally. You could have a legal immigrant be a carrier were measles is active and transmit to the U.S. because 9/10 people who come
In contact with measles become infected.
Unless you’re vaccinated.

Second if the U.S. had its vaccination rates where it was we would probably see a few cases but not an outbreak for entire school
Systems.

Semantics aside, do you consider the fact that illegal immigrants that are by and large unvaccinated COULD be responsible for reemergence of the illnesses you indicate?

By the way, immigrants who enter the country LEGALLY are required to submit vaccination records and any lacking immunizations are provided before they are allowed into the community.

If we were talking something way more niche I would hear that out.
Like 1000 cases of black plague or a desert fungal illness outbreak native to their country of origin.

But in the case of measles absolutely not as the illness is so pervasive, persistent and quick viral tracking for patient zero would be a mostly pointless endeavor outside of quarantining. unless it was a new mutation resistant to vaccines but measles doesn’t adapt nearly as quickly as something like Covid.

As I’ve stated before unless everyone who can get vaccinated gets vaccinated the disease will always be able to get a foothold somewhere.

Regarding your second point that’s actually a good point and I can understand why you’d think that as it’s kind of counter intuitive. However there are some who either lie about their records with the rise of anti vax rhetoric or have medical systems that are bad at tracking vaccine history for whatever reason so we have to account for that.

But that’s not typically the main reason someone here legally from a measles hotspot/environment could cause an outbreak as even if you are vaccinated if you are exposed to the disease you can be a silent carrier for a short time because the vaccine doesn’t act like an anti virus energy barrier it just teaches your immune system how to fight it more effectively. You can be infected but not displaying symptoms and spreading the illness just not nearly as long a time as someone whose full blown symptomatic.

Which if everyone else where they arrive is vaccinated no problem the virus keeps getting diminishing returns for every time it tries to spread eventually petering out unless it finds an unvaccinated or immune compromised host.

Again if everyone was vaccinated at proper levels we’d see a few cases not an outright outbreak.

Someone here LEGALLY is far less likely to bring measles or any other illness that is actually preventable by a vaccine.

It does not make one a xenophobic racist to say unvaccinated foreigners illegally entering the country are bringing diseases with them.

Much like small pox brought over by european colonizing settlers.

Why can you not admit they are a factor in the great measles epidemic you are heralding?

Again, if illegals are entering the country without being vaccinated at the "proper levels" they would not cause an outbreak.

Continuing to deny this is you arguing against your own premise.

Because I’m not an idiot and I knew you were trying to blame illegal immigration for the measles out break.

When there would be no full fledged outbreak had proper vaccination levels been met.

As evidence by once again measles being absent from our country for TWENTY YEARS. and last I checked thanks to the constant fearmongering of Republican politicians every 2 years illegal immigration predates measles being eradicated and occurred during the time of its eradication. Or suppose I should say temporary eradication.

I am unaware of any measles outbreak in the US.

There are currently 41 cases in the US spread throughout the country.

However, should an outbreak should occur:

YOU blame the unvaccinated

EXCEPT unvaccinated illegal immigrants.

It seems the CDC agrees with my thinking that the majority of measles infections in the US are brought in by foreign travelers and migrants.

P.S. Even after two doses of vaccine 3% will still get measles.

Yes I do. Because again I need you to stay with me on this one. It was gone for TWENTY YEARS. Think about that. It was declared eradicated under CLINTON. Supposedly that is twenty years of different border policies under different presidents.

Conservatives yelled that Obama had an open border for 8 of those years and Trump had 4 with supposed closed yet no measles. Ditto for bush for 8. (This is not accurate but I’m going with this because that is what conservatives have claimed.)

Meaning even with conservative reasoning on border policy history the measles outbreaks we are experiencing are not affected by border policies.

So what changed? Vaccination levels in the U.S. populous did. As vaccination levels dropped amongst U.S. individuals much like how the scientific community warned, Measles became more frequent and is not considered eradicated in the U.S. anymore.

41 cases in 2 months is a lot. As we had only 58 for the entire YEAR last year.
And we had functionally ZERO for twenty.

41 cases of measles can turn into 300 very quickly because again 9/10 occurrences in unvaccinated individuals will become full blown infected symptomatic carriers.
There is also the added problem of the source being from Florida and the surgeon general is not tracking and reporting cases to the cdc properly meaning there is more cases then what’s been reported to the cdc or Feds.

I know you desperately want me to blame the brown people for the measles. I know but the simple fact is even if it was true functionally speaking it wouldn’t matter if yall had done what we’ve been doing for over twenty years and just taken the damn shot. Especially since it’s proven to work and not the MRNA type conservatism fearmongers over.

So you disagree with the CDC.

You resort to racist stereotypes?

I need YOU to stay with me on this -

All illegal immigrants are not "brown people" as you describe them.

You got that?

Save the bigotry for the rally.

Your insistence that only unvaccinated caucasian registered republicans can transmit a disease is another treatise on racial prejudice.

Oh, I forget.

You are a Biden disciple and follow his teaching that, and I quote: "poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids".

All of the derisive remarks, red herrings, straw men, and the denial of facts and science are nonsense.

You are wrong.

Incorrect I’m a progressive.

Not a biden disciple. I voted uncommitted this primary and should Trump drop out or not be the Republican candidate I would simply not vote or vote third party in protest.

I’m only voting for Biden because he has not tried to over throw the government and Trump tried and failed on Jan 6th.

At no point did I say Caucasian republicans where solely to blame I said ANTIVAXXERS were to blame.
The resurgence of measles itself is proof of that.

Either make premise based arguments instead of your continued ad hominem ("against the man") fallacy arguments or leave me be.

You are boring me.

Think you got that in the wrong thread.

I only called you liar in that’s one because it’s coming from a genuine belief you were lying about your anecdote.

I don’t usually do that and only other time I’ve done it on here was someone claiming their ancestor fought for both the north and south who regretted fighting for it then immediately told me to look into Shelby foot a known southern apologist. If I am wrong so be it but there’s no way of verifying that without you doxxing yourself and I don’t want that either.

Like every major viral disease or plague outbreak, the only times the virus or disease subsided was when improved food, hygiene, drinking water and sanitation were introduced into the population.
These pre-requisites were added to ensure that 1) the medical teams were kept healthy during inoculations, and 2) when the almighty vaccine was eventually administered, it would be sure to take all the credit for saving everyone, so that when it hits the market, it will sell like hotcakes.

Never underestimate the power of a good marketing team.

See, you cannot prove that vaccines are the reason any disease subsided, any more than I can prove that keeping clean, well-fed, rested and exercised was the real hero.

No, 92% is not satisfactory. It must be 100% inoculation for a proper clinical analysis.
Truth is, there are still measles outbreaks in schools where 100% of the staff and students are vaccinated.
"—about three out of 100—who get two doses of measles vaccine will still get measles if exposed to the virus."—cdc.gov

This is saying that 3% of kids are needlessly jabbed to their own hurt, and still, the taxpayer foots the bill. What a racket.

Hospitals are another example where there are high rates of vaccinated staff and patients, yet there is no place more riddled with disease and viruses. Why? Because sanitation and cleanliness suffer.
There's a reason why people used to say 'cleanliness in next to Godliness".

See, since the measles jab contains the live virus (like many others), theres no reason why the virus and/or its symptoms aren't cause for outbreaks where children dwell in less-than-sanitary conditions, because the vax is essentially short-circuiting the child's natural God-given immune system, and by-passing all of its natural defenses.

Ask any honest physician you know if taking a lab-concocted-vax into your bloodstream is better than keeping a healthy diet, developing T-cells through rest and exercise, and inhaling the virus through your lungs naturally. He will agree the latter is preferred—100%.

Sick ppl aren't advised to take vax anyways. Why not? because the jab contains the virus and will make them react negatively.
Vaccines aren't anti-viruses, they are viruses. Think about that.

"If the immune deficiency is diagnosed in time, these children should not be vaccinated."—JHOP

So, you tell me how it is possible to properly diagnose all weak patients when jabs are rapidly mandated, and I'll tell you how to engage in medical malpractice.

Are you seriously implying a pandemic wouldn’t occur…with proper sanitation? Ignoring the fact that over sanitation and over prescribing of antibiotics has lead to the evolution of super bugs. How would you prevent an upper respiratory b infection from a novel virus by sanitizing your lungs? This mite be the worst anti vax argument I’ve seen to date.

Better health, diet and hygiene may prevent illnesses like pelegra (a malnutrition illness) or parasite infections but that’s not gonna stop an upper respiratory illness.

The fact measles left then came back only after vaccination rates dropped which virologists, disease experts, and scientists all warned about despite 4 different presidents with 4 different government policies is proof. You can keep saying “nuh uh” but that will not make it so.

Lmfao WHAT. No doctor NONE would recommend inhaling an upper respiratory virus. There is not one licensed doctor who would recommend that.

“Vaccines arnt anti viruses they are made of virus.” Wow tell me you don’t understand how vaccines work without telling me you don’t understand how vaccines work.
So non mRNA vaccines (which are most.) use an inactive form of the virus. The reason we say inactive and not dead is because technically viruses don’t meet the current definition for life. Your body normally creates antibodies by consuming those dead viruses from killer T cells aka white blood cells. (Cells at work explains this pretty well.) “ live”viruses have mostly been not used since the first Polio vaccine which was edible.

mRNA vaccines actually almost are literal antivirus. Our cells communicate using mRNA to build proteins, lipids and antibodies. The mRNA vaccine just uses a mRNA to tell your body to build the antibodies skipping the steps of having the white blood cells or messenger cells breaking down a “dead” virus then spreading the word.

“Were not sanitizing hospitals because we’re vaccinated” that is just pure bullshit as vaccines to don’t prevent most bacterial or fungal infections which are prevalent in hospitals. Second supposedly according to conservatives hospitals are so expensive because they are the cleanest and most effective in the world…now suddenly they’re filth holes.

Regarding the fact 3 out of 100 vaccinated people would become infected despite being vaccinated. Correct and they’d live. You know what’s worse than 3 out of 100 getting sick? 90 out of 100 with about 6-12 of those 100 dead.

Again, you cant prove what those viruses are, and being inactive means they can activate again, since they are not literally 'dead'.
Youre engaging in semantics anyways, since the CDC says it this way:
"MMR is an attenuated (weakened) live virus vaccine..."

Either way, injected millions of kids with a virus—turning them into carrier monkeys—is logically the worst way to stop a virus, whereas mandated preventative measures would be much more sensible.

You think you 'know' how the vaccines work as well as you know how a life preserver works, but thats only because the propaganda machine has worked wonders on you. Truth is, you dont have the slightest clue whats really going on when they inject YOUR specific genetic makeup.
Proper medical procedure would acknowledge that everyone is different and should have been given a different vaccine/treatment, based on their age, weight, height, other meds they are on, the same way it is for antibiotics or any other prescription. But that wasnt the case.
And so many suffered from maltreatment. You know this because you have seen them.

And I never said vaccines were the only 'medicine' used in hospitals. You have a near-unlimited supply of medications and antibiotics and yet, hospitals are cesspools. Why?
Because they arent clean enough, and patients trust in drugs instead of diets.

What conservatives think about hospitals is irrelevant, however, far too much money is wasted on them and schools as well. One of them drugs the kids, the other abuses them. And the parents willingly foot the bill. s.m.h.

Man, you oughta switch careers, you would make history as a spokesman for the drug industry. You fear monger like an expert on TV. When I grew up, everyone got chicken pox and measles—and no one died, and no one had autism. Now, well, just look around.

Then, when i was in grade school, infant vaccines were the new big thing and SIDS became somewhat of a pandemic. Coincidence? Those darn babycribs, hey? they are quite the killers. Oh, the babies would roll on their face and suffocate though, so its the blanket's fault! (Yeah, Id probly roll on my face, too, if I was having a seizure)

Oh, Judgment day is coming. Cant hide from the Main Man forever.

So, I never said that sanitation alone does anything. I hope you pay more attention than this at your job—peoples lives depend on it.
Oddly enough, my cousins first ultrasound tech measured her baby from the outside of the grainy lines, and 2 weeks later, the second tech measured it from the inside of the lines. 'Expert' Prognosis? the baby wasn't growing and had cancer. smh..

For sure, many antibiotics have helped infections, but vaccines arent antibiotics. They are viruses.
Prevention is always the best medicine. Doctors used to say that, but then again, there's no money in that, so scrap that advice.

For sure, antibiotics and other over-concocted meds, coupled with overprescribing them have killed and maimed more ppl than WW2. Like, whos the real enemy here..

Simple penicillin has saved millions of lives, however, and it wasn't even discovered by a doctor.

Sanitation, hygiene, good food, water, exercise, and rest is always the prevailing factor in suppressing plagues, viruses and disease. T-cells and antibodies produced WITHIN the body cleaning it from inside out. Didnt they teach you this in med school?

This somewhat CAN be proven because if you neglect these—no matter how many drugs they peddle onto the public—the diseases will stay put, since the source of the infections and bacteria, etc.. is still alive and well.
Thats why washing hands and sanitation were so mandated a couple yrs ago; they know its a driving factor in quelling diseases.
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I worked at a school many years ago and was told that anyone who did NOT get the measles shot was not allowed in the school. Measles vax contains the live virus, btw, which WILL be shed by that person in around 3 weeks from the jab.
Lo and behold, there were still measles outbreaks in schools, and do you know who they blamed? The UNvaccinated.

You know, thats like mandating gun possession to everyone in school and then blaming the subsequent school shooting on the people who refused to take a gun.

I said an 'honest' doctor would tell you that inhaling a flu bug naturally is much safer than bypassing your bodies defense systems and injecting it into your bloodstream.
But again, theres no money in that, so doctors will always recommend buying what theyre selling.
Drug companies dont make $Biilions by quelling viruses, they make $Billions selling viruses.
But they need licenced practitioners to peddle them for a cut.

Most of those infant issues you refer to were attributed to toxic chemicals like LEAD PAINT being in children’s toys and items.

An “honest doctor” telling you to inhale the virus isn’t honest it’s a quack. Like that one anti vax doctor claiming it was alien or demon “seed”.

First off measles vaccinated people don’t “shed” virus that not a thing for ANY vaccine who ever told you that was utterly and completely full of shit.

Second yes because anyone unvaccinated who becomes infected with measles infects 9/10 people (for 5 times longer) it encounter compared to a possible silent carrier whose vaccinated 3/100 for a few days.

Third they signed an agreement that they did take the vaccine and lied so yes I’d be pissed two if someone told me they were unarmed then drew on me. So unless the individual is immunocomprised and can’t take vaccines it is absolutely their fault because they provided safe harbor for the virus to replicate.

Lastly I was promoted to my current position because I actually listened to feed back from everyone and used it to feed it back to the r and d teams even if it was small qol adjustments such as enclosures being cumbersome with small hands, overheating issues from over or sustained use in a long period of time (which we accounted for about 2-3 years before Covid and are new line up was vital for intensive care triage as it allowed for monitoring of patients much longer then our competitors before it would need to shut down especially in clinics with limited resources. Which we donated to.)

I'm sure SIDS had/has nothing to do with the toxic brew found in infant vaccines that are conveniently placed inside their bloodstream to bypass their already underdeveloped immune systems. Right, I forgot those darn infant children keep mistaking their toys for their bottles and sucking all the lead right off of them, causing neurological failure. I guess we should blame the parents for buying toys made in China, then, too.
Spoken like a true doctor AND politician.

No, an honest doctor HAS told me that our bodies are designed with multiple defences used in order that the vaccines bypass completely. He then told me that if I keep seeing him, he has to red flag my file and put me in at segregated times from his 'regular' patients.
No joke. So, I woke up and decided I can take care of myself from then on and haven't been to a doctor in ~15 yrs.

Its the quacks who wont tell you something unless they can sell you something.

You dont think you can shed the virus with the symptoms you manifest after getting ill from vaccines—especially those used with live viruses? Full of shit?
'In the midst of a local measles outbreak, a recently immunized child was investigated for a new-onset measles-type rash. Nucleic acid testing identified that a vaccine-type measles virus was being shed in the urine. ' —ncbi

But, nevertheless, you say the virus that the unvaxxed freaks have is more dangerous than the virus that the vaxxed have. To who? The vaxxed?
Shoot, I thought you said they were protected FROM the virus when they got vaxxed. Isnt that the meaning of 'inoculation'?

I pity da fools who get 'educated' where you did. You are drinking that kool-aid down hard.

Cruise ships and universities were the same thing. 99-100% inoculated, and still outbreaks were occurring.
Perhaps, just maybe, a more scientifically plausible reason why an outbreak would occur is that the vax turns everyone into little carrier monkeys shedding symptoms of illness. And if sanitation, diet, rest and exercise are then lacking, then the whole place turns into a petri dish.

“Like every major viral disease or plague outbreak, the only times the virus or disease subsided was when improved food, hygiene, drinking water and sanitation were introduced into the population.“ -guy who said he never said it 2024. So yes you very much did say that.

As for “mRNA vaccines are classified as live vaccines by the cdc.” The cdc has a bone to pick with you about that. Because they say they are not in fact live viral vaccines nor inactive. They use messenger Ribo nueclaic acid hence the name mRNA.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/how-they-work.html

Inactive viruses are viruses that can’t possibly become active again as necessary functions such as complete DNA structures are broken and split apart, spike proteins removed or altered to the point they are no longer compatible with human cell receptors. We know this because of testing on animals on Guinea pigs which have eerily similar receptors to humans to the point we can catch their colds. (With the exception of Covid 19 as they lack the necessary receptors.)

Once a virus is made in active it can’t be made active again because it lacks the abilities necessary to repair itself or removing everything but the shell for killer T cells to deconstruct. Because it’s such a simple cell that it doesn’t meet the definition of life (to some.) unlike bacteria which can use CRispr to repair and alter its dna. (Which is why vaccines against bacteria arnt a thing.)

Yes penicillin used to knock everything out that’s true but as I’ve explained before and as you so generously pointed out they were used for everything even if it wouldn’t work on the illness like a virus or a parasite. Combined with people stop taking their doses early led to immune versions of the bacteria.
It’s not a conspiracy to sell more drugs it’s just general industry ignorance that we are now aware of trying to course correct.

I would make a good spoke person because I know what I’m talking about. Also fearmongering? That’s rich coming from a person claiming a preventative tool (an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.) is causing autism, cancer, and seizures. When reality is we constantly misdiagnosed people with autism with adhd and now we are more aware of it.
It happened to my brother who has high functioning autism but was misdiagnosed in Florida with ADHD and didn’t get a proper diagnosis and medication until he was 16.

You realize you are getting all your facts about a product from the same folks who are making money...off of selling you that same product.
Don't ever shop for a car by yourself, please.

Yes, I said hygiene, food, water, rest exercise, sanitation—all of those things.

I did not say SOLA SANITAS.

I never said it was a conspiracy to sell more drugs. I said it was a lucrative racket.
Thats why every 'doctors convention' after med school is sponsored and led by pharmaceutical companies that 'train' doctors how to peddle more of their drugs.
The doctors know almost nothing about those drugs and what they really do inside of a patients body—simply because they are new to the market.
So how can you possibly know more? Youre not a virologist. You did not make or test the vaccines. And if you did you WOULD BE sworn to secrecy.

You simply are parroting what Big Drugs tells you to believe. Yeah, so youd make a good spokesman—not because you know what youre talking about, but because you peddle like an expert, and you BELIEVE in your product. You have LIVING FAITH in the system, and very likely trust it to, one day, give you eternal life.

Psa 146:3-5 - Don't put your confidence, even in powerful people; there is no help for you there. 4 When they breathe their last, they return to the earth, and all their plans die with them. 5 But joyful are those who have the God of Israel as their helper, whose hope is in the LORD their God.

The reason hospitals have more illnesses are because it’s where we tell ALL sick people to go. From arthritis to fungal infections, to blood flukes some of these bacteria have become stronger only because antibiotics were giving out too frequently and people were not taking their full dose so the bacteria would come back evolved to be resistant to the old antibiotics because they survived.

Not 'all' sick people go to hospitals. Only the ones who trust in drugs to save them.
Doctors have their necessary function, but they overstep when all they seek to do is prescribe instead of 'treat'.
Remember, the "C" word in the medical industry isnt Cancer, its Cure.
An honest doctor told me that, once.

"You still don't get it, do you? I needed to know just how bad the disease was in the real world, not just the lab. You were genetically splicing together strains of influenza to create a cure for all influenzas, but you were also creating a disease so terrible in Chimera, the cure would be priceless! I needed Chimera in order to peddle Bellerophon; it's not that difficult to understand, is it? Look, I've got the virus, you've got the cure. I need them both. Time was, a shot of penicillin would knock off every bloody bug in the zoo. Not anymore. If I couldn't make money killing the microscopic little shits that are out there, well, you'd help me put one out there that I could make money on. Well, there it is. I've confessed. I, John C. McCloy, am in business to make money."

I believe they are stating they were thrown a defective life preserver when sabotage sank the ship.