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Just clearing out old memes | THERE ARE FURRIES, BOTH CURRENT AND FORMER, WHO NEITHER LIKE HOW THE FANDOM IS TODAY, NOR SYMPATHIZE WITH IT'S ISSUES, BUT ARE GETTING CAUGHT IN THE CROSSFIRE OF ALL THE HATE FROM BOTH SIDES OR DON'T WANT TO SPEAK UP IN FEAR OF BEING CAST AWAY BY OTHER FURRIES AND LIKELY STILL FACE GUILT BY PROXY FROM ANTI-FURRIES. THEY JUST WANT TO HAVE FUN AND CHILL WITHOUT SUPPORTING EITHER SIDE OR GETTING INVOLVED IN WHATEVER DRAMA OR WEIRD STUFF THEY LIKE TO GET INVOLVED IN. | image tagged in cat friends | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
110 views 2 upvotes Made by SalvagedFox5point1 1 year ago in anti-furr_vs_furr
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2 ups, 11mo,
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The crossfire is wide, and sometimes anti-furries do the opposite thing : they bully one so much ("so much" is really variable) that they try to hide and can end up in the "bad" side of the community and do way worse as an action against the anti-furries.
1 up, 11mo
It happens more than it should.
0 ups, 11mo,
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Let's go with that and say some furries are chill.
While it is true that some furries are chill. Not a lot of them are.

Just 3.7% male
And just 21.7% female

Not a lot of wiggle room to say anti furries are bullying furries for no reason.

https://furscience.com/research-findings/sex-relationships-pornography/5-4-frequency-of-porn-use/
2 ups, 11mo,
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I didn't say anything about viewing porn, though if you wanna go that route you should view society's numbers as a whole. You'll be surprised. The most common factor behind it is the same as that behind the male loneliness epidemic. In the furry fandom you already have a primarily male demographic who are already branded outcasts and losers who can't get any life or relationship in the first place, so what are womens' responses? "Just jerk off!" It's not that they'll do any better otherwise.

You're still too young to know, but even as adults, men have that desire for a mate and to mate, but for many men now it will go unfilfilled because a wank session is no replacement for real affection, and in the furry fandom, the few women, just like online, have their pick and will always go for the best they can get. That leaves lonely men with no life or love in a society that praises sexual anything with one option.

Combine that with the new fandom being populated primarily by fetishists now instaed of hobbyists.

The porn problem stems from societal issues. I was talking all modern-fandom-related issues, there's still a FEW that don't want to get involved that are still getting caught up in all your bull, patricularly because the fandom is all they have left in their life.
0 ups, 11mo,
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Honestly couldn't have said it better. I thought p*rn was something only a few, "evil" people watched but holy sh*t this is way more common than I thought.
Like he said, this is mostly a society problem, and he explained it well why furries are more adept to it.

I would say also that it may be caused by the fact that the fandom is based on artists, which makes the r34 dilemma way higher than usual and with social pressure... you get that.
1 up, 11mo
It's not as much of a problem due to social pressure anymore, since online "society" has pretty much become it's own thing. It's mostly based on two factors nowadays:
-More people are willing to pay money for it, so it's easier for an artist to make a business
-The aforementioned society encouraged and placed value on sexual content, causing those who don't want any modern perverse content to leave because their home was invaded soiled, while the invading species took root.

Many genuine furries have left the fandom and are still doing so because it's nothing special for them anymore and they want something that will provide them with happiness since the fandom can't do that anymore.
0 ups, 11mo,
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First of all, if you watch porn, you are not one of the chill furries. Unless you started with an addiction, but you are trying to get out of it. Then we are happy to help you with your porn addiction.
(Some losers might try to attack you, but the chill anti-furries are there to help.)

Secondly, 69% of American men watch NSFW which to be fair I was expecting lower, but still far from the furry fandom. If any group watches more porn, or makes more NSFW than the average American, it still counts as a fetish.

Men who just give into the fact that they are losers and watch porn instead is what makes them losers. If they were to really try to improve and become better people. They wouldn't need to become a furry, and they wouldn't need to watch porn. I am also the stereotypical loser, however: I improved, I got better than the average loser, I got skills, I got talent, I earned respect? And even though I have freckles; I'm not a loser anymore, see how that works?

"You're still too young to know" I am not too young, I know everything about these states, and I also get these moments. These states are called "Sexual Urges" and just because people have them, it doesn't force them to jerk off, or watch porn. I am also in these stages, and when these events do happen. I just ignore it; I don't watch porn, I don't jerk off. I don't do any of that bullshit. I just do nothing. This is supposed to be the normal response to sexual urges, but almost every single man in the furry fandom does the exact opposite. This is why I became an anti-furry.

"Hobbyists?" Dude, if it is your hobby to act/dress like an animal, so be it. Anti-furries aren't there to hate people who have a hobby. Have you ever wondered why the AFF , and the AFSF got so popular when the porn addicted fandom came out? It's because when the porn addicted fandom came out, everybody noticed, and we came together to stop it.

I'm not even going to go into detail about the zoophilia in furries, if you want to go into detail, and argue with me I am happy to prove you wrong. In the words of a great, and wise man.

"If furries aren't zoophiles, then why is all of their NSFW based off of animals?"
2 ups, 11mo
Again... again... I wasn't talking about porn. This meme had nothing to do with porn, but if you honestly wanted to try creating that narrative or accusing me of encouraging it, if you actually read some of my infamous critiques of the fandom and replies to some people you'd know that I'm wholeheartedly against both the sexualization of the fandom (which people like the heads of FA inteded), the sexualization of youth and the sexualization of society as a whole, just as I am with the political influence, the identity crap and emotion pandering as well.

You also seem to think all furries throughout history have only ever wanted porn. That's also a lie that all anti-furries believe. A lot of us were nerds who just wanted to have fun and were happy without the influence of porn. There's been several instances of the fandom splitting apart as a result and even fighting back against it, which is why most furries you see today care so much about it. Those who don't either left or choose to not associate themselves with the fandom, like myself.

If you want to know, most of furry didn't start with porn, but the fandom always prided itself on being accepting and not-judgemental... then two things happened: Other sites started banning porn and the remaining furry outlets allowed them in, and the LGBT movement happened, where they pandered more toward both "outcasts" and freedom of sexual expression, which amounted to more porn and people who only cared about dopamine. Throughout all of that, the nerds left, just like with every other fandom.

Also I wasn't referring to "sexial urges" either. I was talking about the point that guys get to in their life when they want to find someone who loves them and often want to start a family, but without any sort of affection from the opposite sex, which close to half of the male population under 25 has become subject to, younger and younger people are going through something resembling a midlife crisis because they don't see their personal or life's worth. No one's choosing to give up on life because they can't "get off." They're giving up on life because they don't have anyone and don't see the point of working hard if it amounts to nothing besides delaying death. I've even been told by guys that they've chosen to become gay to get any bit of happiness and affection. That's not even factoring in society's sexualization issues, which brought all of this forward and is the reason why so many people left the internet entirely.
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THERE ARE FURRIES, BOTH CURRENT AND FORMER, WHO NEITHER LIKE HOW THE FANDOM IS TODAY, NOR SYMPATHIZE WITH IT'S ISSUES, BUT ARE GETTING CAUGHT IN THE CROSSFIRE OF ALL THE HATE FROM BOTH SIDES OR DON'T WANT TO SPEAK UP IN FEAR OF BEING CAST AWAY BY OTHER FURRIES AND LIKELY STILL FACE GUILT BY PROXY FROM ANTI-FURRIES. THEY JUST WANT TO HAVE FUN AND CHILL WITHOUT SUPPORTING EITHER SIDE OR GETTING INVOLVED IN WHATEVER DRAMA OR WEIRD STUFF THEY LIKE TO GET INVOLVED IN.