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@BarrelRider Although, a lot of critics bump up the reviews for a movie if it has enough diversity. Just look at the bomb that was lightyear, it had a relatively good critic score, but a much worst audience score. This also has to do with the fact that a lot of critics are just shills for Disney and the establishment nowadays though. Even if the audience hates something, the critics will give it a good score if the movie checks enough diversity boxes, and visa versa. Just look at the highly successful Super Mario Bros movie which was not a Disney movie. It had like a 96% audience score, but an atrocious critic score. Despite the fact that everyone loved this movie, the critics gave it a bad score because it didn't cross enough diversity boxes.

Sorry, but as someone who was forced to stay in the closet half his life, that DEI is *chef's kiss*

Also, contrary to popular belief, it's entirely possible to have inclusive characters AND a good story.

Yeah but most of the time its forced.

Literally all scripts are "forced." It takes effort to write stories. Your argument is invalid.

No I meant the whole diversity thing is usually forced.

*see above comment*

not to the rest of the population, and its losing Disney hundreds of millions

Did you ask the rest of the population?? No, you didn't.

Disney basically destroyed Marvel and Star wars with their identity politics. No one likes Rey, or captain marvel. No one likes what DIsney did to Luke Skywalker, or the hulk, etc.

That's your opinion. I think Disney did a great job of passing the torch to a new generation of characters. You just don't like it, because it's not what *you* wanted. And as for Hulk; it's actually canon; go read the comics.

Identity politics has been a part of story telling for centuries. If you disagree, you haven't been paying attention. You're just mad because it's regarding identity politics you think shouldn't exist, and you should sit down and contemplate why, and why you're wrong.

Thats your opinion as well. Are you actually trying to defend star wars 8 and 9? Or the most recent Marvel phase? If you enjoy those, you have every right to do so, but the general public and most star wars fans dont like it.

Identity politics have always been part of story telling, but nowadays it is more centered on uplifting the LGBT community, which is a very small minority of the population, and a very controversial part of the population. Now whether you think its wrong or not wrong, you cant deny that putting highly controversial topics into entertainment for the masses probably isn't a very good business strategy. When you pander to a very small and controversial segment of the population, dont be surprised when the other population leaves.

I am not mad, I was simply making the observation that virtually no one likes what has become of star wars or marvel. Go ask anybody outside of your circle if they like Rey, or She Hulk, or Captain Marvel, or any other "strong female" in modern entertainment. I personally don't really care for Marvel too much, but I don't have to care for it to notice that a lot of people are unhappy with it's current state, nor do I have to be into marvel to see how much money its losing marvel.

I could provide example after example of Disney losing money because of star wars and marvel. You say you enjoy it, and thats great. You have every right to enjoy it, but you can't deny that it is losing Disney tons of money. Star wars the rise of skywalker made half of what the force awakens made. Usually, you want a trilogy finale to be more successful than the first two movies, but that wasn't the case with Star Wars sequel trilogy.

"Are you actually trying to defend..."
Your argument is self-contradicting here.

"Identity politics have always been part of story telling, but nowadays..."
Again, self-contradicting, AND morally dubious. You're saying LGBTQIA+ folk's existence is controversial and suggesting they shouldn't exist, let alone deserve a seat at the table. You can f**k ALL THE WAY off with that nonsense.

"I am not mad, I was simply making the observation..."
Your literary tone (your verbiage and choice wording) makes you sound hella mad. Mad that strong women exist. These stories weren't written for you, they were written for women. Are you allowed to enjoy them? Yes. Are you allowed to say their stories shouldn't be told? Hell no. I don't care about anyone outside my circle, until they try to tell me I'm not supposed to like something, which you've been doing.
So what if Disney's losing money! Why do you care? Disney doesn't care about us. They don't even know we exist. They only care about their bottom dollar, which is too far under their mountain of money for them to think about. Stanning Disney's bank account is weird.

"I could provide example after example of Disney losing money..."
SO. WHAT.
Why do you care?? Do you own stock in Disney or have some other financially vested interest in them??
Historically, trilogies are not successful. They're niche, and unique to franchises. If you look at all other trilogy films in the last 25 years, the 3rd film typically rakes in a fraction of the original film. It only gets produced because the first was as successful as it was. And technically speaking, Star Wars 8 and 9 are only considered part of a trilogy because they were produced around the same time, with the same story arch. They're part of a grander series of films, much like 007.
You don't need a third film to be "more successful," you need it to wrap up the story. Do you even know how to tell stories??

Just a quick note. You are not going to convince anyone to join your cause by telling people with disagreeing opinions to F off. If you want to get people to support your cause, be a little more accepting of other opinions. We clearly have a disagreement, but that doesn't mean you have to get vulgar. And you say I sound mad? Clearly the lgb thing is controversial, or we wouldn't be here arguing about it, right? I don't have to think its wrong or right to see that its controversial.

"You are not going to convince anyone to join your cause by telling people with disagreeing opinions to F off."
You are literally saying I am not worth representing, marketing towards, or having my story told. You don't get to degrade a demographic and then tell said demographic "yOu'LL nEvEr gEt AnYoNe tO JoiN yOuR cAuSe."
I have *EVERY* right.
My existence should not be controversial in the first place, and f**k you for saying otherwise.

well, when a movie flops, especially a Disney movie, its pretty clear how the general public feels about it. I don't need to ask the whole population, it can be observed. Even this meme is getting tons of upvotes.

Flag on the play; confirmation bias.

1. "Tons of upvotes" means nothing. It makes up an incredibly small fraction of people. All the upvote means is that there is a specific number of people who agree with the meme's intention. It *does not* make up an accurate basis from which to draw data.

2. The movie could have flopped for any number of reasons; poor advertising/marketing, poor timing (we're still coming out of a pandemic where people aren't eager to be around strangers), a poor economy (we're just coming out of a recession, and possibly going into another), or maybe just the target audience doesn't find the subject of Buzz Lightyear appearing. The kids who grew up with Toy Story/Buzz Lightyear are now old enough to have their own children, and Toy Story isn't a franchise with pronounced longevity. Most of the kids who would watch Disney movies might not know who Buzz is, let alone his backstory.

Bonus Round: The 1994 film "Stargate" bombed, yet spawned one of the biggest scifi franchises in television history, right below "Star Trek".

To say "the movie sucks because it bombed," is flawed logic.

I didn't say the movie sucks because it bombed. I said you can see how the public feels about a movie, especially a Disney movie by how it performs in theaters. There was a time when Disney could put out anything and it would be a massive success because it was Disney, they were the king of family friendly entertainment.
However, more recently with the fails of lightyear, strange world, turning red, and elementals, and not to mention Star Wars and Marvel's catastrophic money losses over the last several years, it is becoming more clear that people are actively choosing not to go see Disney movies, which is a new phenomenon. And these movies all have something in common:
The pandemic was 3 years ago, we are not still coming out of it. Even if that was the case, how do you explain the financial success of the minion movie last year? Or the Super Mario Bros. movie?
Toy story is indeed an old brand, but that didn't matter 4 years ago when toy story 4 came out, did it? What kids haven't seen toy story? What century are you living in? Same goes for Mario. Mario is older than toy story by almost 20 years. Both Toy Story and Mario have been pretty significant pop culture icons over the last few decades, but one flopped and the other didn't. What was the difference? Well, the Mario movie didn't feature a controversial lesbian kiss scene. Same with minions and strangeworld. The minions were very successful, and strangeworld wasn't.

There is a big difference between star gate and a Disney movie. I don't know who produced the star gate series, but I dont think it was a once trusted legacy family entertainment brand that had been around for almost a century when it was released, was it?

Tons of upvotes does mean something. This meme only has 5k views and 70 upvotes, and considering I didn't even submit this meme in a political stream goes to show how many agree with the meme's intention that aren't even on my side of the political spectrum. Go look at the fun stream, most memes with about 5k views have somewhere between 50-100 upvotes, so this meme is actually doing pretty good in terms of upvotes. So it really isn't a small fraction of all people, its just a bunch of average people looking through the fun stream.

I dont think Im going to respond much after this though. You can enjoy modern entertainment if you truly like it, but the general public doesn't like what's become of Disney, and you don't have to look very far to see it. If you cant accept this aspect of reality, then I see no point in dragging this discussion on. It's not like we are going to change each other's minds. I'm not going to convince you that modern Disney is bad, because you like it, even if what you enjoy is losing Disney hundreds of millions. Indiana Jones 5 is also predicted to be a massive flop, which will add onto their list of failures. I'm not saying you cant enjoy it, I'm just saying its losing them money.

"I didn't say the movie sucks because it bombed."
You literally did.
Your exact words were "well, when a movie flops, especially a Disney movie, its pretty clear how the general public feels about it."
Anything you have to say after that contradicts your own argument, and I'm not obligated to read it.

*where I said they all have something in common, I meant to put this: They all focus on modern politics above all else. For the most part, they pander to small parts of the population.

Welcome to the wild world of storytelling. Modern politics have been the center of storytelling since The Illiad and The Odyssey, which are the OG box office hits, told by ancient Greek philosophers.

There is a youtube channel called "WDW Pro" where they talk a lot about the fails and successes of modern entertainment, you should check it out.

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