Diversity & Inclusion

It's difficult to find the source of this image because it's used so frequently by anti-feminists, but one person seems confident in saying it's a satirical response to the Trump Travel Ban in 2017.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/8z5gt5/is_this_a_real_sign_ban_white_men_and_if_so_whats/

In that context does it seem less frightening to you?

Frightening? hahaha yeh, I'm shaking in my boots (and I'm not even white anyway).. The Reddit guy could be correct but the picture is perfect because it still applies - u ever heard of pale, male and stale? Never heard of gender and race quotas which put white men at the bottom, as the 'oppressor'? They're literally banning white men from hiring positions specifically because they are white. Boys are demonised in school and misandry is rife in movies and the media and new laws created by crazed Feminists. All Feminist theory comes from some woman's hatred of men and women, since the 1850's and women have more privileges than men now so anyone who wants more is either an ignorant 'victim of the patriarchy' or a female supremacist.. if you can't see by now what's going on with Intersectionality and Wokeism, then you might just be a Feminist yourself aka a Marxist lool.. Are you a Feminist?

Sorry to assume you were frightened. In part it was a poor choice of words, maybe I should have said concerned.

I think there should be equality for all people and that we should do what we can do recognise biases and make positive changes to stop opression and exploitation in society.
And I believe that's what feminism stands for, and if someone claims they hate all men and want to oppress them then they're not a feminist, they're just a dick.

It's true than boys are more likely assumed to cause trouble in schools. This is something that should be challenged, and I don't think that solving this issue requires us to neglect issues of female oppression.
Which new laws are you referring to that have been created by crazed feminists?

Having diversity awareness in hiring practices isn't the same as banning white men from hiring positions. The intention is to counter any biases - which are often unintentional and unconscious.
Studies see that biases mean the most suitable candidate doesn't always get hired.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0149206320982654?journalCode=joma&
It doesn't mean people get turned away from jobs where they are the best candidate because of their sex or race, but that everybody gets a fair chance.

Where does your statistic that women have more privileges than men come from? Are you sure it's accurate? Women still generally earn less than men in the same position. Women are generally more likely to be misdiagnosed and go untreated than men. Women are more likely to experience sexual harassment. Women are a distinct minority in executive business positions and in all governments.
What privileges do women experience that compensate for even just these inequalities?

Sorry for lots of words. People have told me I'm ranting before - I'm not trying to shout you down or get angry, I just talk a lot :)

hahaha having diversity literally means banning white men from positions.. ps u also dont know what equality means I am assuming, because u sound like a standard Leftist idealogue, trying to defend racism while acting like you want equality. Diversity quotas as literal racism - they turn white men away because of the colour of their skin. Thats racism. And how are white men getting a fair chance if they aint being hired?

And women get less money for tonnes of reasons but people like you will see a difference in pay and assume discrimination lol did u know women work less hours? Thats just one reason out of many.. do you think women should get the same pay for working less hours? That's equity..

So I will ask you, what does equality mean?

Find me a statistic that says white men aren't being hired.

The statistics show that in europe and north america people who aren't white men are generally assumed to be less suitable hires regardless of their skills, so diversity hiring proceedure is there to ensure that everyone gets a fair view.
Practices don't turn away white male applicants, white men still get hired. They just don't get first priority any more. In theory. In practice white men are still doing fine.

Searching 'do women get more healthcare funding' the statistics seem to show that women have to spend more on healthcare, but women's health is generally underfunded.

It's true that women are more likely to be granted custody of children, and that men are more severely punished by judicial systems, and that boys aren't treated as favourably in schools, that men are more likely to be injured or killed in workplace accidents, but I don't see why those issues can't be challenged at the same time as challenging issues that cause difficulty for women.

I think you'd achieve more good spreading awareness of these issues and encouraging people to challenge them than you do by villifying the concept of feminism.

Also could you not call me names? I'm listening to you and learning new things from what you're telling me and i'm not trying to belittle you or antagonise you. We don't need to be enemies.

Do you not know how gender and race quotas work? If u have 10 people, 7 qualified men and 3 qualified women, they will turn away 2 men, hire the 5 qualified men and 3 women, and then hire two unqualified women to fill the quota, and the same with race now, so they are actually sexist and racist, while Feminists accuse the mroe fair system to be racist.. Never heard of CRT? And white men didnt get priority, its just that most people are white, in your white countries loool its basic maths..

As for healthcare, women having to spend more (if thats true) doesnt mean the government doesnt allocate more for women.. and men pay around 80% of taxes and women use about 80%, so women are using up far more than they put in

The reason those stats aint challenged effectively is because Feminists think if u help men, u take resources away from women, they think its zero-sum and they will actively shout people down for it, like the man who tried to open his own DV refuge for men, Feminists hounded him down.. Men are now realising the game is rigged and the best way is to not play, hence MGTOW.. Men aint marrying anymore either and women are becoming leftovers or single mothers lool

Feminism IS a cancer and Feminists are either Feminazis or duped.. Actually, let me ask you a question which I suspect you don't have the answer to.. We can start simple.. What is equality? And how have Feminism ever helped boys and men if they believe in equality (thats two questions instead)

I guess equality in this situation means ensuring everybody gets the same opportunities in life and has access to the same level of care and necessities.

The reason women are more likely to be granted custody of children, men are more likely to be killed in the workplace, boys are assumed to be troublemakers in school: the reason for these social statistics are not because feminists have been campaigning to ensure men do the hard labour and get labelled unintelligent bad parents.
It is because the long-running understanding of gender that we've unconsciously absorbed tells us that Men are strong and don't think, men do the manual labour, women stay at home, attend to the small details and raise the children. These ideas inform decisions that get made by legal, education and judicial systems and it is a principle that feminism is seeking to challenge!

It's not feminism that is causing men's suffering.

I can't find the story about the men's domenstic violence clinic that was shut down by feminists, do you have a link to this you can send me? The people that did that should not be calling themselves feminists. Feminism is not about denying rights to men, that is a horrific ideology.

It does seem on the surface like that's how diversity quotas would work, but that's not actually accurate. Here in the uk at least, it would be illegal to hire an unqualified woman when you have a qualified man applying, even if you have no other women working for you. I just read too that diversity quotas are illegal in most of the US.

This website explains some of the details (and also goes on to say that diversity quotas aren't the most effective way of ensuring workplace equality and suggests other diversity hiring methods to improve on them so there you go :) )
https://www.beapplied.com/post/diversity-quotas

I work in the UK, and in a staff of about 200 I think 10-20 of us are non-white. So 5 to 10 percent. You can say that's because the UK is a predominantly-white country, but about 82% of the uk is white, and in fact in my city 76% of the population is white which would suggest that at my work about only 3 in 4 staff would be white.
I'm just using this as an example of how it's possible to have underrepresentation in places where the population is not evenly divided (where is? :) )

I can't find that statistic either - that 80% of taxes are paid my men and 80% of goverment funding is spent on women. Are you sure it's right? What's the source?

Look, most of us thought Feminism is about 'equality' but it isnt, I used to think the same until i started looking into and it pissed me off how wrong I was but id rather change my mind and be accurate than carry on defending something like this ideology, it pits men and women and races against each other and only destroys.. most people wont want to change their minds when seeing new evidence because its easier to fool a man than to convince him hes been fooled.. they trying to socially engineer us and history is repeating itself and we headed towards totalitarianism, something I thought we wouldnt have to see in our lives - the great experiments results are already in, its a catastrophe, The West is on its way down, fast.. When I get children I'm gonna have to homeschool or go live in another country

Are u in your twenties? U still seem open to new evidence, ive got a tonne of stuff bookmarked and had a website on Feminism couple years ago.. googles results are getting worse, u gotta sift through the shite and do background checks on who wrote papers to make sure they aint woke now.. check out this documentary series I found on how Feminism has destroyed the family unit and made women unhappy (women in every other country are happier than men but not in the west, where Feminism is rife) --

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEaPBkW7m0W2f2EdVeMFIMi8jCxr46Uui

I'm watching this documentary and I'll explain why I struggle to value the family unit. I had a generally happy childhood and now that I know more of my closest friends' experiences I can really appreciate just how lucky I am. When there was distress in my childhood it most frequently happened because my mum and dad had a lot of tension in their relationship; they would argue loudly about many little things and their biggest tensions came from my dad having a lot of emotional dependence on my mum and my mum having a large social group and a fair amount of independence. When I was 10 my parents split up and my dad moved to a shared house a couple of roads down and all of us were much happier for it. Me and my sister saw both our parents regularly, my mum and dad weren't living with constant stress of incompatible demands, and my dad found a lot of joy in being part of a shared house and that social dynamic actually really suited him, he's become a much less angry person since that relationship and I think finding that way of socialising contributed to that, but that's just my guess really it's hard to say.

I'm not saying that all divorces make people happier or that all two-person unions cause misery: I have examples of friends whose parents are still in strong relationships that work and make them happy. My parents weren't. Other friends of mine have parents who were not making each other happy, or who were never together in the first place and have found ways of making it work.

In the 1920s my mum would have had a much harder time ending a relationship with my dad: She would have struggled to have financial and social independence, and perhaps she would have stayed with my dad. Perhaps she would have felt more pressure to adapt to what he wanted from the relationship, and she would have spent less time with her friends and more time with him. I guess we'll never know but I struggle to believe that would have made her happy.

What do you mean when you say the domestic violence industry funds feminist movements?

It's interesting hearing Janice Fiamengo talking about how the nuclear family tends to enforce conservative values. I'm not sure I believe that there is a common trend for feminist writers to think 'the nuclear family must be erandicated in order to establish a communist governement' quite as literally as Fiamengo implied, but yeah I can see how if you don't think that patriotism and economic drive are necessary for a happy society then you'd be less concerned with maintaining the insular nuclear family unit.

What's your ideal view of society?

For me, from my experience and what I know of my friends' experiences, a lot of our unhappiness has come from 1: being in situations where we're being over-pressured and undervalued, and 2: not having the time to socialise with our friends or our kids or families, or pursue our interests.

So with 1 a lot of the time this is workplace power structures, where bosses and managers make high demands that it feels like we don't get rewarded for, but we feel we can't refuse because we are financially dependent, but this can also come out in personal relationships where - like the situation with my dad and my mum - one person in the relationship puts a burden of expectation that the other does not feel satisfied in fulfilling.

You can think what you want about family, but in the end it will effect you.. I feel sorry for all these leftover women in The West but its their own doing (and they make for easy shags so thats a good thing lol).. you still have naive ideas about power structures - modern woman has been programmed to think they are oppressed, like u do and its completely false.. You will find out later on in life and it will too late, ive met tonnes of girls like you who say they dont need a family, and most likely you will regret it or you will double down and teach younger women to do the same thing, like many bitter older women do nowadays..

White culture is finished,, your social experiment went wrong and Feminists have destroyed you and they trying to export their degeneracy to other cultures thinking they are helping.. Feminists are basically communist zombies/Useful idiots, programmed NPCs, Woke activists with little knowledge of how humans work.. you think you know more than thousands of years of accumulated knowledge and you think you are above Mother Nature.. The reason why women are unhappier than they were in the 50's is they think they can have it all, a family and a career and they fight against their own natures, trying to be like men.. Feminists hate femininty and hate being women, they are misogynists yet call everyone else misogynist, they are the real bigots.. You sound like the rest, youre the same, thought you might be salvageable but too much energy trying to convince a woman with no face im speaking to on a screen about deep politics.. you just another brainwashed idealogue, I was right all along, such a shame, u seemed nice, I've lost faith now after listening to you

i have a family :p
There's no one correct way to live, my friend. I know people in their 60s who are childless and loving life. Men and women. There are lots of ways to create social bonds and find happiness without marrying and meking bebe.

I seem nice because I am nice :)
We want different things for ourselves, and we trust different people but it doesn't mean that either of us is brainwashed. There isn't one single solution to our problems and different people value and prioritise different things. It's okay.

I understand your mistrust in socialist systems.
I do often suspect that the reason capitalism sustains itself is because it allows for human greed and exploitation within the system, whereas systems that trust in human nature leave themselves open to exploitation from power-hungry dictators.
But I think there must be a way to temper the exploitation that exists throughout the current capitalist system, with the biggest business owners earning more money than their average worker is not going to make even in they had several lifetimes.

There must be a way we can make things less painful for the most vulnerable people in this system without installing a murderous despot to rule, don't you think?

Again, I just want you to understand: I don't shun the family. I never meant to say that I think family has no value.
But surely you can understand that from my experience I cannot prioritise the two-parent nuclear family model over other social bonds? The nuclear family failed me in my childhood. It was a source of unhappiness, and we found happiness in community groups. My parents are still part of my family and I love them and we're all pretty happy.

So for me some immediate changes I'd like to see are:
a) tackling wealth inequality in societies - if even just a little were done to ease the dependence of those who have little to support themselves and their families then the stress of the worklife and the pressures of unreasonable power dynamics would be eased considerably. This could be done by having higher taxation on the highest earners in order to fund living wages for the lowest earners. Another option might be creating in publicly-owned energy suppliers to provide free energy to populations and again ease financial pressures from corporate energy profits. I mean there's loads of different ways wealth inequality could be made fairer.

b) developing better communication, clearer understanding of different needs. If it's more normal for people in relationships to anticipate that their partner's needs may be different to their own, and that those needs may change and that it's okay to talk to your partner about what you want from the relationship then I think lots of relationships will be happier and healthier. This applies to any kind of relationship really, though I think the most pain comes from poor communication in romantic relationships.

Yeh, Fiamengo is correct..and Feminism is literally communism, thats what im trying to tell u.. and i thought women wanted to work, so you can be strong and independent lol cant make women happy, they flip flop.. its family that gives women the most security but Feminists wanna banish it even though it is the basic human unit that provides stability especially for kids, but Feminists now are so selfish they care not for kids, hence why Western men are looking for more traditional women... though Western women want traditional men but dont wanna be traditional women. You using all their cult lingo too, you have been heavily conditioned to think that ideas that sound nice work. These people are marxist/socialists - they are hard left, the other side of the coin, akin to nazism but you dont mind being hard left. I think youre too far gone to be recoverable cos u think the family has little value lol you will find out in your 40's.. Kids need family to grow healthy but now its becoming single mothers or nothing. 80% of women who wanted kids missed out and now have to live 40 plus alone, wishing they hadnt wasted their 20's giving their pussies away for free.

U speak of compassionate policies which is more socialism to help others but shun the family..
Yousound like a socialist/commie but those are disastrous economic systems, its never been successful and always results in less freedom, and more tyranny. Capitalism is about the individual but socialism is about the collective and also puts power into the hands of even fewer people, while taking away all power from the individual. Collectives only work on a small scale. I suspect u dont like corporations having too much power (though they aint private cos they have shareholders) but socialism puts all the power into the hands of even fewer people whereas capitalism ie private business puts power back into the hands of the average person.

Women tend to lean towards communism which is anti-meritocratic and only views the world as a series of power grabs.. Communication is another female thing, as if we dont have enough of that, look at everything men have built - u think we had no communication doing that - its another nothing burger of a wish, what does it even mean lol more talking, more bureaucracy, less actually done, more meetings about meetings lool

There is no correct way to live but there ceratinly are ways to live that create more suffering or less options.. You want communism which doesnt work, it never has, and big business isnt capitalism - capitalism is the free market and monopolies is not the free market. Capitalism has to do with private business, family owned.. You arguments are just surface level politics but people like you want to see immediate changes loool u haven't read anything worthwhile, u just parrot the same thing as the rest of the Commies.. You speak of other family structures but the others dont work well for anyone as does the nuclear family. Just because your own was 'unhappy' doesn't mean it doesn't work the best overall. Your solipsism is showing. If you want perfection u won't find it, there is no utopia, just get used to things instead of trying tearing everything we know down, as if it will just magically become better. To get to Utopia you have to exert a tonne of control on people, and then its not a Utopia is it?

You keep virtue-signalling about the vulnerable in our society when we already spend so much on taxes helping em. Again, its just platitudes coming from your end, the same banal wishes that come from younger people.

Sorry luv but you are just full of the same tired cliches and Newspeak lingo, as all the other idealogues and my understanding of political systems are far deeper than yours, you only scratch the surface and there's a lot of reading to be done to have an actual debate, which I doubt you will do.. U have been captured by silly ideological arguments, not based in reality and all evidence is showing that things are getting worse under more Feminism/socialism.. You don't understand Fascism is one of the end results of Socialism, another being Communism. Socialism is the road to totalitarianism like I said. They already cancelling people and creating hate crimes and more controlling laws and creating ACTUAL systemic racism and sexism. You think you are oppressed, can't really debate with a British woman thinking she's oppressed, it means u believe the BS. You want more government which means less freedom. You think you know how to fix society but you too naive and just spout the exact same BS I hear time and time again talking u zombies.

U are interchangeable with the rest of em, put another idealogue in your place and they say the exact same stuff..

I suggest u listen to more Fiamengo, and Karen Straughan, Camille Paglia, Christina Hoff..

As for , what would I do to beter society? I am already grateful for what we had.. it was getting better but now ideology has taken over and we well only see more suffering until it does so bad than women will then go back to rely on men. There are no Feminists in a third world country. The only way we getting out of this is by getting to the bottom and destroying the 'patriarchy' ie life as we know it, completely and this is actually true.

We have so much freedom and abundance but women and the youth are conditioned to think we need to reach this 'utopia' which we will never get to.. The West is in steep decline since Feminism/Wokeism/Communism but as Feminists destroy all of our gains, they will blame it on men and capitalism and say we need more Feminism.. What more do they want? We have everything we need, but people need family and human connections and spirituality but Feminists can only think of material goods and money.. They say they hate capitalism but all they think about is power and money - its all projection..

But yeh I can talk for years on this subject about the education sector, justice, fairness, education, relationships, employment, religion and politics but I hope u get my point. Feminism IS actual cancer, a mind virus and that makes Feminsts/Leftists malignant tumours. Leftists are the same as Nazis - they are totalitarians and theyve taken over, We are headed towards totalitarianism and idealogues and fighting FOR it, thinking they are doing a good thing but destroying everything we have unfortunately, we headed towards another dystopia, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, I didnt realise myself but its all out in the open now, they aint even hiding it anymore but by the time it comes to the surface and people are starting to see it now, its embedded into the new system and its too late

I live in the UK too and I aint white, I know some cities can have a tonne of us browns and blacks but dont believe the BS luv, British women are generally less retarded but Feminisms got a lot of em, u sound reasonable, thought u would be just another idealogue.. u dont sound like a manhater, u just believe the propaganda like many people do and i cant be bothered to go through each sector of society and feminist policies on IMG flip lol i could have sent you a million links but this is not really a platform to go into that much conversation, I just make memes that attack anything Feminist related here..its taken me 4 years of research to really start to learn whats happening to our societies with these new identity-based ie racist and sexist ie marxist ideologies..and its constantly developing,

Feminism attacks men but its hurts children the most, and then women, then men - look up 'the paradox of female happiness', women were happier in the 50's.. this is a very deep subject and u gotta learn how societies change, politics, evolutionary biology and psychology, the dynamics between the only two genders that actually exist, economics etc but let me give u the lowdown, Feminism is basically gender-marxism, u have CRT which is race marxism and queer theory which is sex marxism, all under the umbrella of intersectionality which seeks to supplant capitalism with communism, again, but a western version.. its taken over all public institutions in something called The Long March and has weaponised women against men with feminism cos if u want to subvert a nation u have placate the men first and women are easier to manipulate cos more emotion-based, (generally speaking, so dont get mad at me..) this has been going on since at least the 1920;s but since 1970s with feminism it took over the schools and media and its the domestic violence industry that actually funds most of radical feminism, amongst others and now we see wokeness everywhere.. it seeks to destroy the family unit, which has been accomplished really and wants to change our societies into 'utopia'. You are but a tool for their ends- Feminists dont care about women or men, u are just cannon fodder.. they use peoples good intentions to turn them into their foot-soldiers basically, and their ideas sound nice but marxism is akin to naziism - its far-left politics..

This may sound like rambling to you but its hard to get such a complex subject down short paragraphs, ive literally run out of space

oh my god.. women have faaar more healthcare spending.. men get 60% more punishment for the same crimes, boys have been falling behind in schools for 25 years and they STILL giving scholarships to girls, women get custody of kids 85% of the time, theres gender quotas at work.. women have more social safety nets and die younger.. most men who die at work are men,, men are assaulted more than women etc etc.. u seem to just parrot the same Feminist nonsense, you are an idealogue, youre Woke lol tut tut