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Americans are not stupid... dems can't beat Trump in 2024, so they need to stop his campaign | HILLARY IS UPSET AMERICANS ARE NOT BUYING THEIR LIES... JEALOUS HILLBAG...PEOPLE KNOW TRUMP ISN'T A CROOK LIKE YOU | image tagged in memes,laughing leo,deep state,trump,witch hunt | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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OUCH!

Yesterday, in another seeming acknowledgment that this is a weaponized DOJ prosecuting a political rival, Michael Besheka wrote a damning opinion in the Wall Street Journal. Why is Michael Besheka’s opinion on this so relevant to President Trump’s indictment? Well, he was the attorney who litigated and lost the “Socks Case” involving Bill Clinton keeping tapes in his sock drawer after leaving the White House.

Besheka writes:

Although the indictment against Donald Trump doesn’t cite the Presidential Records Act, the charges are predicated on the law. The indictment came about only because the government thought Mr. Trump took records that didn’t belong to him, and the government raided his house to find any such records.

This should never have happened. The Presidential Records Act allows the president to decide what records to return and what records to keep at the end of his presidency. And the National Archives and Records Administration can’t do anything about it. I know because I’m the lawyer who lost the “Clinton sock drawer” case.
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It's hilarious because the two cases aren't remotely comparable, but you guys just lap that shit up as if it made even a shred of sense.

Trump didn't just take documents he had no right to, imperiling the security of the USA - he also exposed them to foreign nationals and spies, repeatedly obstructed their return by moving them around his decrepit swamp resort, flew them around the country on vacation, and knowingly had his lawyers file false statements about them.
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Says you... LOL
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No, says the federal indictment brought against him by a grand jury of his peers.

Maybe you should try reading it so you don't keep falling for such ridiculous right-wing nonsense.
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LMAO.. only one-sided info was presented...
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"One-sided info" is a funny way of saying "mountains of evidence of criminal offenses".
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The indictment came first, and there's no evidence to be found in support of this ridiculously transparent right-wing rumor.

Even if there were, it wouldn't discount the fact that there -IS- a mountain of evidence behind Trump's 37 espionage and obstruction charges, which are very much real crimes.
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nope... FBI 1032s says otherwise...
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That's interesting since there's no such thing as a 1032...

But, say you're right and the FBI does have an FD-1023 in their possession, it still doesn't contain the kind of evidence you seem to believe it does - literally anyone can walk into an FBI field office and file one of those.

But let's pretend for a moment there is evidence Biden took bribes - it still doesn't change a thing about the fact that Trump's been indicted by a grand jury of his peers based on well-documented evidence of his illegal possession, mishandling, and sharing of classified federal documents, and the obstruction of efforts to secure their return.
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"Based on the documents I’ve read and his actions that I’ve read about, I believe that Trump viewed his “boxes” as his Personal Records under the PRA. There are statements he made, quoted in the Indictment, that support that view. If Trump considered the contents of these boxes to be of purely personal interest, hence his designation of them as Personal Records, did he knowingly retain NDI?

Did he really think these documents, like years old briefing notes and random maps, jumbled together with his letters, news clippings, scribbled notes, and random miscellaneous items, “could be used to the injury of the United States”? Or did he just think of them as mementos of his time in office, his Personal Records of the four years, akin to a journal or diary?

If he thought these boxes were his Personal Records, he may have believed that NARA simply had no right to receive them at all. Meaning that he did not willfully withhold anything from an official he knew had the right to receive them. Because he didn’t believe that anyone had the right to receive them.

By breathlessly bandying around classification levels and markings, the Special Counsel is trying to make this case seem much, much simpler than it is. Classification levels do not automatically make something NDI, and having classified documents in your possession is not enough to convict here.

This is not a matter of
[Classified Documents]+[Mar a Lago bathroom]=Conviction.

That’s what they want you to think, and that’s the media’s inch deep view, typically, but it’s dead wrong.

More than anything, this case hinges on the ability of the Special Counsel to prove *beyond a reasonable doubt* aspects of Trump’s state of mind that will be extremely difficult to prove in this case because of his obligations and rights under the Presidential Records Act. In addition to all of the usual issues."
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Based on his own words, Trump absolutely knew what he was doing was illegal and just didn't give a shit.

“As president, I could have declassified, but now I can’t

"Secret. This is secret information. Look, look at this, This was done by the military and given to me.”

“Well, with Milley – uh, let me see that, I’ll show you an example. He said that I wanted to attack Iran. Isn’t that amazing? I have a big pile of papers, this thing just came up. Look. This was him, They presented me this – this is off the record, but – they presented me this. This was him. This was the Defense Department and him. We looked at some. This was him. This wasn’t done by me, this was him.”

"All sorts of stuff – pages long, look. Wait a minute, let’s see here. I just found, isn’t that amazing? This totally wins my case, you know. Except it is like, highly confidential. Secret. This is secret information. Look, look at this.”
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If Trump's son was a crackhead that worked for the Ukraine, China and other corrupt nations, if Trump sold influence for 45 years, if Trump had used federal agencies to attack his enemies, the left would love him.
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