Chuck Todd screenshot above at 2:42:
Meet the Press
April 2 — Cyrus Vance; Sen. Joe Manchin; NCAA Pres. Charlie Baker
https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/april-2-cyrus-vance-sen-joe-manchin-ncaa-pres-charlie-baker-167409733768
They even brought in Joe Manchin for his unbiased opinion.
(23:04)