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The f**k is this incoherent meme? Bakunin didn't live to see the rise of Nazism. Nazis were not socialists, contrary to what the propagandists at the Mises Institute want you to think.

Bakunin did live to repel Marx.

I don’t think he would have considered Nazism and socialism the same.

He would if he had witnessed what Marx'a socialism had done throughout the world, which wouldn't be surprising cause he was first to predict and oppose it.

He might’ve noted similarities between Marxist-Leninist and fascist totalitarianism, but would not have considered Nazism to be on the left.

When I said Nazism is on the left?

By going along with the Mises article calling them socialists

And how does calling out Nazis as socialist makes them non-Right?

Socialism is generally a left-wing ideology

This is perhaps the greatest erroneous tragedy of 21st century that people believe in idea that Communists are flag bearers of Socialism. No wonder why Socialism has such bad rep.

NazBols have so much common with current CCP who unsurprisingly operates similarly to Nazis. In Marxist theology you can say Nazis were performing bourgeois socialism.

I get it why RW calls Nazis socialists, to give Socialism a bad image, distancing themselves from it and denouncing their role in Holocaust (same reason LW hates socialist label of Nazis). But you just can't ignore the Socialist undertones Nazis had.

The meme seems incoherent because you jumped to conclusions without any comprehension. Even if Bakunin had lived, he perhaps might have liked Nazis for he too was anti-semitic (anti-Zionist to be precise).

The whole point of this meme was to point out that Socialist ( be it Anarchists or Fascist, both an amalgamation/modified subset of Socialism) would definitely hate Marxist/Communists because of their differences and the fact that Marx wasn't the father of Socialism contrary to what Communist propaganda online tells you to believe.

You’re so far off base, Bakunin’s antisemitism didn’t inform his political writings, he would have had zero feelings in common with Hitler’s totalitarian regime. He is one of the forefathers of modern social anarchism, as you know.

You keep hinting at socialist characteristics of Nazism but don’t provide any examples. Hitler would say that “nationalists lacked social awareness”, and indeed the Nazi party in their early campaigns made an appeal to German farmers and their splinter parties to seemingly unite around proletarian interests, but even the NSDAP’s right-wing base defended the bourgeoisie, aristocracy and institutions like the Kaiserreich.

I guess I also don’t know what you mean by bourgeois socialism. That sounds more like Leninism than Nazism, as Lenin derives his materialism from the bourgeois materialists. This manifested as proletarian revolution informed and motivated by bourgeois materialism and theory. Not necessarily defending bourgeois interests but obviously an ML state establishing an elite bureaucratic class antagonistic to the proletariat and peasants.

Based on your language, you seem to consider all fascism to be socialist which I think is a grave mistake.

it isn't. Socialism is really a broad terminology. It goes beyond likes of Hegel and Saint Simon, and definitely absolutely beyond Marx.

The only political banners or movements I can think of that incorporate some socialism but aren’t left are NazBols and Falangists.

There are so many type of socialists. Religions like Islam and Christianity are quite compatible with socialism. Socialism used to be practiced in ancient Egypt and India. I can safely say Socialism existed even before Capitalism.

Besides an anarchist I'm also sorta nihilist. So I don't consume what I get. I interpret what I doubt. Indeed Fascism and Communism are like Apple and Oranges, completely different things but still fall in basket of fruit. You see differences i see similarities. Fascism and Marxism both are anti capitalism, free market and democracy. They have strong potential to rapidly develope an economy and are really totalitarian.

Again socialism is a broad terminology, thinking that it only suits a certain hammer and sickle totting banners is an analytical error. And a true socialists must repel that notion. (MO of this meme)

The similarities you notice probably arise from the foundation of fascism, Mussolini’s creation. Mussolini himself was a socialist, a syndicalist, specifically. From one of the more libertarian strains of socialism gave birth to his totalitarian ideology, the state everything, man nothing. Fascism under his regime was national syndicalism, where there isn’t proletarian dictatorship nor even class abolition, but instead, class collaboration, and both the bourgeois and the proletariat are afforded their respective syndicates. There is never a socialist end goal in mind here.

Mussolini as a fascist was inherently anti-socialist and anti-communist and one of the first moves of his reaction was to capture and execute these political rivals, or his former colleagues.

I think there are fundamental differences between fascism and socialism and they are clear opponents on the political spectrum.

When Bolsheviks rose to power they turned on their socialist comrades, anarchists namely, they were butchered. The persecution continued even in Stalin's era. In cultural revolution Mao also persecuted intellectuals and socialists.

So it's not surprising that Mussolini, coming from socialist origin, would be persecuting his socialist comrades. Much like why Sunni Muslims would massacre their own Shia brethren or Protestants and Catholics. The list goes on. But that doesn't make them a less Muslim or Christian. Does it? (Actually it does, hence the persecution)

I'm sure if Axis had won WW2. Soon Italy and Nazi Germany would have gone to war. It's not like Germans liked Italians. They didn't even like to call themselves Fascist. That's why they wore badge of National Socialism, even though they practiced hardcore fascism.