The Conservative Party of Imgflip supports SOCIAL DEMOCRACY also known as DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM. Ask away!

Denmark, Sweden, etc. are failed economies?

Social security? That wealth transfer from the young to the old that the boomers are using as a final f u to the younger generations as the nation is declining.

One of the vanishingly few things I agree with Donald Trump on. If it weren't for social security, millions of seniors would instantly fall into poverty. Not every worker in the economy has access to a 410(k) plan. So, Social Security acts as a means of forced-saving for retirement for everyone. If we didn't do it this way, we'd be paying for seniors in other ways. Kicking the 65+ crowd to the curb just isn't realistic.

That said, everyone from ages 0 to 125 is being hit with a cost-of-living crisis due to 40+ years of failed Reaganomics, and we should re-design economic policy with everyone in mind.

In order to minimize the impact on the young, I would actually support expanding Social Security to the 0-18 crowd to give them a nest egg to use for certain qualified expenses that often occur early in life (college, homebuying, child expenses, marriage).

Who pays for all this? Easy, the rich do. If you're worth $2 billion today then tomorrow you might have to be worth $1 billion. Boohoo.

Regardless it's a wealth transfer pyramid scheme that's immoral.

>If it weren't for social security, millions of seniors would instantly fall into poverty.

See meme
What's wrong with working past the age of 65 anyway?

>Who pays for all this? Easy, the rich do. If you're worth $2 billion today then tomorrow you might have to be worth $1 billion. Boohoo.

Unlikely the wealthy have a tendency to bribe their way out of being taxed more. Don't like the rich? Easy fix, ban LLCs, usury, take over natural monopolies, and tax land. It's that easy.

Oh hell no. I’m not working a day past 65 and I don’t care what anybody has to say about it.

You're probably going to have to the way things are headed. Unless of course, you've saved on your own dime.

I don’t really care what exact taxation system gets implemented as long as the rich are paying their fair share, and all citizens have access to the basics needed to live. Not “everyone is equal,” since that’s communism. Rich people will still exist and some will still be very rich. It will always benefit you more to work than to laze around.

But kids won’t be going to bed hungry while some billionaires are sizing up their twelfth vacation home and their second private jet and their third yacht.

That’s the essence of democratic socialism, in my book.

I’m with you on this. My grandfather was set to retire a millionaire due to the pension he would have received from his company, but the company went belly up just before he was set to retire. He wound up having to work way later than he should have and now that he is retired, he and my grandmother are pretty much living off Social Security and the small bit of savings he was able to save up after the company went under. My other grandmother also relies on Social Security since she never really had extra income to save. I’m not a fan of taxes, especially paying for stupid crap like wars on the other side of the planet or Pakistani gender programs, but Social Security is something I am glad to pay for even if I’m not certain it will be there for me when it’s time for me to retire.

“In order to minimize the impact on the young, I would actually support expanding Social Security to the 0-18 crowd to give them a nest egg to use for certain qualified expenses that often occur early in life (college, homebuying, child expenses, marriage).”

Seems like an interesting idea, I’d be interested to learn more about it.

In 2021, Denmark had the highest Real GDP Growth since 1994 and one of the highest real GDP growth rates since the 1960s

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/DNK/denmark/gdp-growth-rate

It's not conservative to be democratically socialist. Conservatives are proud capitalists

Social democracy isn’t incompatible with capitalism. And all right-wing parties that I’m aware of favor wealth redistribution policies on some scale.

The wealth distribution for more to the rich and not much to the average working people, hence another reason to blame why the real GDP growth is low when conservative parties are in charge

How many billions have to die before the "left" just admits Marxism was wrong and collectivism will never work?
Bigger, more corrupter government can never fix the problems caused by big, corrupt government. But we just keep tripling down...

Social democracy isn't Stalinism or Maoism or Kim Jong Un-ism or any of those things.

Social democracies include modern-day Sweden and Denmark as paradigmatic examples.

Keep telling yourself that. I'll be waiting for your big government collectivism to get one right...

*Looks around for killing fields* Hey! We got one right!

Denmark isn't socialist. Denmark is a constitutional monarchy.
But feel free to move there and try to change it to a democratic national socialist paradise and let me know how that werks out...

Indeed. Denmark has:

-A constitution
-A monarchy
-Free-market economics
-Welfare policies

"But... but... but... how?! This doesn't make any sense!?!"

Well, I'm pragmatic. I don't care if it "makes sense," I care if it works.

Denmark has a system that works. That doesn't produce mass graves, hyperinflation, starvation, and all that other crap libertarians like to toss out whenever the horrors of strong labor laws, universal healthcare, and free parental leave are suggested.

At this point in history leftism requires a high level of cognitive dissonance. The firm belief the failures of past can only be fixed by doubling down on these failures and throwing other people's money at them is baffling.

What else can I say except paid parental leave policies in Denmark don’t have anything to do with killing fields in Cambodia or the price of tea in China.

Some tinpot dictator took charge in a third-world hellhole half a world away and genocided half his population 50 years ago, therefore new moms in America today can’t have 3 months paid time off work. Yeah, makes sense. Whatever you need to tell yourself to keep voting Republican.

You don't have a leftwing success story, which is why you bring up non-socialist countries in Europe (hoping I won't know anything about them...)
We can't find a liberal city in the USA, that hasn't been destroyed by your policies which is why you make nonsequiter references to Denmark. If anything the left believed was true, if one word of your big Gov collectivism was true, people would be moving to California to experience your glorious marxist paradise instead of trying to escape the crime and poverty by moving to red states.
Side Bar: using a European Monarchy with strict immigration laws and strong capitalist policies as an example of a leftist paradise is the dictionary definition of gaslighting.

how bad is trickle down economics on a scale from 1 to 10 ( 10 being the worst )

Horrible, would not recommend. 9/10.

There are worse ideas if you look at the whole history of the world, but right here in the U.S. the idea that super-empowering rich people will translate into magical gains for poor people has wrecked more economic havoc upon millions of Americans than any other idea over the last 40 years.

Because the myth and the curse of Reaganism has proven so unshakable in this country, in spite of all the accumulated evidence against it now, I’m rounding it up from an 8 to a 9.

Why is democratic socialism so commonly referred to as hip, and “gay”? Are these accusations warranted?

There are memes going around that suggest as much, but I cannot verify their accuracy.