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Ukraine supporters vs. Russia supporters: Who Would Win?

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Western Allies all the way
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Agreed
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So you stand for Ukraine?
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Yes
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By the way, the Deepen Diversity Amendment has not passed; congress voted nay on the bill
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Where the hell is china?
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China just officially joined WW3 this week with their pledge to supply Russia with weapons.
So unless you think China's gonna listen to us when we tell em to "stop," we're gonna have to come up with something better than paying 2nd world dicktators to murder each other, pretty soon. Cause we sure can't out manufacturer China and Russia as long as all the metals we need for that manufacturing come from...
[Wait for it...] Russia and China.
Boy, between destroying the domestic energy industry and shutting down US mining in the name of "globull warning" we're really doing our best to prepare for th̶̶e̶ ̶g̶̶r̶̶e̶̶a̶̶t̶ ̶r̶̶e̶̶s̶̶e̶̶t̶, er I mean "defending democracy"
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China hasn’t announced weapons shipments to Russia. They’re considering it, according to U.S. intel, but haven’t pulled the trigger.

There are reasons to be hopeful they won’t. China’s posture on this war is more conflicted than many realize. Yes, they have no love for the U.S., but China is still pursuing a charm offensive with many European countries that are staunch Ukrainian allies. China has a lot more than Russia to lose from being shunned and potentially cut off from a large chunk of world trade.

Don’t forget China’s (and India’s) warnings to Russia to stand down on the use of nuclear weapons as well. Even countries that are otherwise longtime economic friends of Russia have no interest in seeing the world blown to smithereens over a conflict they don’t really care about.

Let’s check some others while we’re at it:

—Belarus, Russia’s only ally in Europe, has allowed its territory to be used as a staging ground for Russian troops, but has so far resisted major pressure to affirmatively join the war on Russia’s side.
—Kazakhstan and other post-Soviet states in Central Asia have conveyed their disgust with Putin, at the war in Ukraine. Russia’s security partnership with the nations of that region is in shambles.
—Iran has sold drones to Russia but isn’t giving no-strings-attached military aid of the kind that Ukraine receives from many.
—North Korea is the only country that has shipped military supplies (artillery shells) to Russia without strings attached, but even North Korea balked at Russia’s request to send laborers to the front lines to rebuild the occupied territories. Even a madman like Kim Jong-Un doesn’t want his people turned to cannon fodder.

Bottom line, Russia has few real friends around the world and the fat lady hasn’t sung yet on this being a WWIII yet. We won’t reach that point unless North Korea starts shelling South Korea again, or China crosses the Taiwan Straits.

And how do we stop that? A rock-solid show of international support for Ukraine makes either of those nightmare scenarios less likely.

You don’t want to “defend democracy” in Ukraine. What about Taiwan? South Korea? Japan? Are we going to roll over for every dictator every time they mutter about their nukes? Or are you only in favor of selectively rolling over for Putin? Why?

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/national-security-daily/2023/02/23/chinas-calculation-on-supplying-russia-with-weapons-00084128
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That's right the China visited Russia on the anniversary of the war to "not" promise them support. Lol. You have to judge this on China's actions, not words.
On the nuke issue: Russia has for all of history engaged in the practice of scorched earth warfare. In modern times this includes total decimation of Chechnya, chemical weapons in Syria and "outlawed" cluster munitions in Ukraine.
So with Putin, nuclear weapons was always a been a question of when, not if. Russia has been discouraged from nukes because of their belief that if Russia fired number 1, numbers 2 through 99 where aimed at Moscow. Ever since Obama's "red line in the sand" Putin has figured out that the west's response to nuclear annihilation would be a strongly worded letter to the UN security council.
Now Ukraine getting nuked back to the stone age isn't necessarily the worst outcome here, after all, Putin can always kill more Ukrainians with chemical or biological weapons on his way out the door than nukes would ever kill. But Russia is currently unique in their BELIEF that they'll get away with it. After they drop nuke number 1 and Moscow is still standing the next day, the whole world will understand that the cold war bluff no longer applies. The west is not actually willing to vaporize an entire nation.
TL:DR
There's no scenario where US citizens or Ukrainian citizens "win" this war. The best case scenario where we wise up and give Poland nukes (taking Putin's nukes off the table since Poland has nothing to lose...) and Putin gets bored and goes home: Ukraine is still stuck under a military dictatorship (just one friendly to us instead of Russia) and we're still on the hook for 2 trillion dollars to "rebuild" Ukraine. None of which will ever be tracked, audited or end up in the hands of poor Ukrainians.
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