My opinion on how powerful each character is

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Oh, I agree. When I was making this, It was based off of their power in a fight, not any theories.

Well, just a note, but I would have thought that Shyren was a bit weaker than the amalgamation with her sister. I could tell a damage output difference, for sure, and I know which attacks I got hit by constantly..

In my experience, I got hit by shyren a lot, but no-hit lemon bread on my first try.

Good for you on lemon bread... I can't do one of the attacks at all without getting hit ;-;
...and then there's me no-hitting the Undying because I have way too much free time. I'm very backwards with bosses... And can I ask about your idea of placing Jerry?

Because of their extreme defense, I put them higher than I would otherwise.

That makes sense, it's just that they can't fight on their own. I know that from experience because I just strike 10+ times just to kill, and do it pretty quickly due to the no attack segment.

Well, with that high of a defense, they could match up with undyne in a defense match, so that's why I put them up there.

Interesting, i never noticed.. Though, speaking of which, I feel like Undyne would be tougher than EX. Good attack and defense, (not really challenging attacks even when she's mad), and then a little bit of time to hold her body together before death.
...And I'm assuming that the closer to the left you go on the lines the stronger they are. Ehh- whatever.

Actually, EX and undyne were supposed to be equal, but I can't do that, sooo... And all boss monsters can hold themself together before death. Also, EX has a mechanic where you can destroy their attacks, and undyne has a mechanic where you have to run into her attacks, so because of the differences, it's hard to compare, so I based it off of sheer fight difficulty (in my experience)

Oh, I see. Personally, I had ease in both of them. So much ease that I taunted Undyne constantly and boasted constantly for Mettaton. I couldn't compare the two fights by much like that. Even the Undying I've got right.

Are there any others that you have questions about?

I will ask about Madjick's placement. The corner orb is quite easy once you figure it out, and the chaser orb is easy-is to dodge. I will say that this is for a solo experience, however.

It's the blabber. Reversing your controls is basically changing your soul type which is something that only bosses and some minibosses can do. If it didn't do that, it would be in c+

I do suppose that does mix you up, just that it's unnecessary to talk, you could stare at the orbs, or you could kill if you're on that route.
Can I also ask about Snowy's mom? I get that it can't be killed just like the other amalgamates, but that seems like a poor excuse on a pacifist run, with negative statistics and attacks that don't even cross into the fight box always.

It's because snowy's mom is an amalgamate, so it gets a bit higher on the scale then other monsters, and the immortality ups it a little more. Other than that, I kinda f---ed up on putting snowy's mom that high.

Lol yea
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Oh yeah, about Papyrus. One thing that he does have over other monsters is that you're forced to go more than just the one or two attacks they throw at you. Which gives him more time to deal damage.

True, but he doesn't actually kill you. Ever. He can't.

Can't will himself too, but yeah. He would hand you right over to Undyne however, if the bars weren't too wide to not stop anyone. She would then send you to the shadow realm.

T r u e

Toby was a joke.

In sans's case he could be f tier and still be op

He has 1 attack 1 defense and is still able to DESTROY you

Yeah, I guess

My opinion on why I’m leaving this stream

wait why are there two dogs

There were two dogs in the template. Idk why, I just thought that it would be funny to put them both in there.

lol

Why is alphys as strong as frisk

Also I think its pretty justified where you put sans because sans is incredibly powerful because he deals karma damage, so he can only hurt people who have done bad things

Its "unidentifiable," not necessarily strong

Alphys isn't unidentifiable

Then tell me where they would be on this scale.

Probably an e because alphys can't use magic and doesn't have much physical strength

Also why is chara f

We don't really see what Alphys can do, but with what we can see, I would put her at a c+ because she can deflect friendliness pellets.

Chara is an f because they are literally just a dead kid.

Good point

But chara in the genocide run is a demon consumed by determination so you can argue otherwise

It looks less like "consumed" and more like "reborn"

And Chara can only erase when they appear at the end of the genocide route, which is a very specific circumstance, so I'm not counting it.

Ok

Sorry if I'm lore ranting

Its fine

Chara is very powerful acually. She can delete ur save file

Chara doesn't delete your save file. They delete your game. Also, they can only do that specifically at the end of the genocide run, so I'm not counting it.

Oh

Ye

Why is chara at the lowest tier? Look at that damage at the end of the genocide route.

F---, forgot about that. TBH, they actually should have gone in the "unidentifiable" area.

I think Asriel is stronger than frisk because he has 6 human souls AND the souls of the monsters but frisk has only 1 human soul

Ah, but you forget a teensy-weensy little tiny miniscule small detail: Asriel doesn't need those souls to be Asriel. They need those souls to be the god of hyperdeath. Do you see a god of hyperdeath here? No. You don't. And frisk is UNIDENTIFIABLE, meaning you CANT TELL WHAT THEIR POWER LEVEL IS. DONT YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS???

Yeah I know but I was just saying. Also why are you screaming?

Because people keep saying "well, why is Alphys stronger than Frisk?" But Alphys is in "unidentifiable" so I CANT IDENTIFY HER POWER, so I keep saying that to people and it's starting to really piss me off.

Papyrus is only a B+?

In my opinion, he is the easiest boss in the game. He is about as hard as a waterfall miniboss.

Some of the basic enemies in hotland are harder than him

I made a theory about this once, actually.

somebody made a theory why Papyrus is stronger than you think

I saw something like that, actually. But I think mines different. Mine is that papyrus is holding back because he subconsciously doesn't want to hurt frisk, and as we've seen before, if a monster does not really want to fight you, they become weaker.

And the special attack being "stolen" by toby was actually an excuse not to hurt the human. Also, papyrus captures you instead of outright killing you, which, if he did, he could just take your soul and give it to undyne.

Also, additionally, your HP is fully restored when you wake up in his "prison," which can only mean that he (1), gave you food while you were asleep, or (2), gave you first-aid. Either way, it proves that papyrus doesn't want to hurt you truly.