Imagine fighting side by side with these guys against the axis, then taking all the credit...

Here is where you are wrong America gave a lot to the war, if it wasn't for American aid soviets wouldn't be able to hold off the germens for too long, they would push them back to either Poland or Ukraine until German reinforcements came and wait for spring or summer to continue to invade, and Britain could only wish to liberate France from the Germans during WW2.

and plus without American intervention the Italian/Sicily campaign would never happen which would mean Benito would probably last longer and continue the legacy of Fascism.

What did America Sacrifice that could equal the loss of life that those three countries suffered?

400,000 casualties is a lot

So are 14 Million.

Yes i understand the the U.S.S.R lost a lot of casualties but they were in the war for longer and their entire strategy was to send in as much bodies as possible and hope for the best and 400,000 is a crazy number to even fathom every country in WW2 contributed a huge amount an the U.S in no exeption

Message was too long to fit into imgflip message. Read the meme. I'm sorry, but you're just wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7BE8CsM9ds&t=2198s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV0ussbeFCE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-ZHH770WLs&t=1s

the Russians would not even be able to make their advance if it weren't for the huge u.s lend lease of 11.3 billion in supplies (180 billion in today's currency) plus Germany had to spread their forces out to fight in Africa and occupy their conquered territory's, im also sorry for assuming the 10 to 1 advantage was a real fact and thank you for enlightening me on that. But the one real ally the soviets had was the winter.

It really wasn't. That's a myth.

Check those links I sent you. One of them speak directly on that.

What was a myth?

The*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7BE8CsM9ds&t=2198s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV0ussbeFCE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-ZHH770WLs&t=1s

I think you’re underestimating the importance of the U.S lend lease. The lend lease is what saved Briton who was vastly in need of supplies. And even if it was not the deciding factor on the eastern front it most certainly vastly helped the soviets. Did the Soviet’s ever send supplies to other allied country’s no I think not. It was also the U.S did operation torch to retake North Africa from axis control and to meet up with the British then they invaded through Sicily. And capitulated Italy then d-day came and the U.S and the British liberated France. All while the U.S was fighting the Japanese in an island hopping campaign, so let’s see what they did overall, operation torch invasion of Sicily capitulation of Sicily d-day the freeing of France and the capitulation of Japan and what did the soviets do, capitulate Germany with huge amounts of U.S supplies and air and naval support

Prevent the spread of Fascism, prevent more jews dying and more and i know America isnt all perfect but compared to Germany in ww2 it is much better.

That's not sacrifice, that's providing benefit, those are two different things. What did America Sacrifice that comes close to the sacrifice given by China, Russia and Poland?

Can you tell me how many lives America Lost? How many lives all the other countries lost?

Just because America lost few lives than others that doesn't mean that America didn't provide you dumbass your meme isn't Historical it is false information. If it wasnt for America the Japanese would still make the chines suffer i hope you relize that.

Setting your misplaced anger aside, could you please tell me how the meme is false? Or is it just against the propaganda you've been spun? Is this Hating America? You're proving my meme 100%

I have not been hypnotized by American propaganda i get angry when someone gets history wrong which you have and this meme you put in the comment says nothing America is not getting credit for ww2 you should be looking at USSR for that. You have proving yourself that you dont know much of history and an average hater of America and im not defending America, i understand they had their fairshares of war crimes so dont acuse me of knowing nothing.

Also, I never said America didn't provide. But to say that this provision we supplied was hard is erroneous in itself because Germany put everything it could at Russia and hit a brick wall. With Logistical complications, tanks breaking down (Tigers were known to do this) and Russia employing scorched earth tactics, German forces had a hell of a time resupplying themselves. Then we came in and "zerged" their undefended occupations. Granted, they had garrisons and Germans worked within the capacity of their garrisons to divert forces to support themselves, but it simply wasn't enough. We had unmitigated supply lines because a gay man named Alexander Turing had cracked the German Enigma code so we knew the location of all their Subs (formally known as U-Boats) and which convoys they were going to hit.

I daresay that the biggest provider to the war effort was a gay computer nerd from the United Kingdom. Not the US. We just attacked an undefended series of territories.

Change my mind.

Also, mind your tone, civility is called for here, not cognitive dissonance.

providing and sacrificing are the almost the same thing America entered the war because it was attacked cause yes tecnically that does not mean US was willing on joining the war but America didnt have to declare war as it was japans doing to criple America and america gave some of their shermans to russa and Britain during the war, and plus without America in d-day no german troops would be distacted in the western front so more germans for russians to worry about, and since germans were resupplying themeselfs like you claim, they had to destroy it or the would get more resources, tiring the American army, and that was the mans dicision not the US unless im proven wrong, and also for the end i dont give a f**k a lot of people curse in this platform.

Yes, but the rule in this stream is to be respectful. If you can't follow that, you can leave this stream.

By the time America got to Berlin Russia was already nearly there as their refit of their army had been completed. Between the battles of Stalingrad and Moscow, the Germans had been crippled. Russia didn't need us to pound in Germany. We were just an extra nail in the coffin.

Don't you do history?

yes i do

They did this to Japanese who refused to surrender and continue to attack.

For someone who gets mad about being wrong about history. You sure are wrong about History. Look up Executive Order 9066. Japanese Americans were put in internment camps simply because they were Japanese.

Where did I claim that? lol.

somewhere too lazy to find.

Me who doesn't know how the the world wars stared:

You should find out. Pretty interesting stuff. Ukraine is kinda a hot spot for the next world war should Russia/Iran decide to fire on UN/NATO vessels...

Fair

Yep. That's serious business. We outnumbered them 2:1. Out-produced, out-populated, out-gunned. So, yeah, your picture is accurate. "Where's the defense?"

Does it matter? The Germans outnumbered the Poles. The Soviets outnumbered the Germans. Doesn't discount their respective achievements.

That's... kind of the point of wartime production. I don't think you understand how war works. He who produces the most (or best) weaponry GENERALLY wins the war (though IJN Yamato and Musashi were a different story). Also, it's good to keep in mind that we were the Allied "sugar daddy" long before we officially joined the war, and long into it.
Mo Allied nations made huge contributions to the war, including the US. I'm not discounting any other contribution, so... why are you?

*most... my keyboard was sticky.

Because this meme isn't about contributions, it's about sacrifice, which seems to be something you can't seem to follow.

That said, our contribution wasn't that great as we came in from Germany from behind on a weakened southwestern front as the majority of their forces were dealing with Russia. By the time we reached Berlin, Russia was already coming in from the North, it was a literal race to Berlin.

As for Japan, I don't discount the war that we waged in the pacific theatre -- and how brutal it was. What I do question is, why is it perceived as some daunting task when they picked a fight that they really couldn't win? Definitely feeling the giving ourselves the award vibe. Especially since there was no way we were crossing the Atlantic until the UK cracked the Enigma code. Which again, was done by a homosexual math nerd. But no one talks about that because it goes against the propaganda narrative they've been spoon-fed since birth. We did the lazy part, we kept sending supplies for years until we were attacked. Japan we pretty much hit with a fly-swatter. We decided to take the route of hypocrisy by "Well, they attacked Pearl Harbor, so we can bomb their cities to craters." Instead of fighting the honorable, conventional way. So, we may have saved many soldiers lives, but we did it by slaughtering countless women and children. *listening for the pro-life crowd* Not that this matters to anyone, evidently. Apparently, the life of a child has value when he doesn't belong to your country. Or rather, the life of a child has no value. Unless I'm missing something?

I hate to break it to you, but the US sacrificed PLENTY during WW2. Simply because they didn't have as many deaths doesn't mean they didn't sacrifice as much. The only reason we didn't have as many casualties was our strategies, designed to minimize loss of life (instead of the "for the Motherland/Fatherland" attitude of.. certain other armies) and the Bomb.

Actually, we were in the southwest (Italy/Southern France) AND the northwest, from Northern France and Belgium. The fact that the Soviets were faster proves.. absolutely nothing.

Why was it perceived as a daunting task?

Let's see- we were facing an army that clung to their ideas of "Bushido" (which was actually a corruption of true Bushido) and "ketsu-go"- decisive battle. These guys would sneak into MArine foxholes and cut their throats. These guys would charge Marines with bayonets in the dead of night. These guys would make it a point, when they were in a hopeless situation, to kill ten Americans before they died. And that's not all, as I will discuss below.

Tell me again what the enigma code has to do with the Pacific front, and what the personal sexual behavior of the man who cracked it has to do with.. anything?

Funny, mass production of wartime implements never really struck me as "lazy." Indirect, sure, but lazy?

that's not actually why we dropped the bombs. Please educate yourself before making such claims. Here, I'll get you started:

In late 1944 and early 1945, with the success of the island hopping campaign and the capture of Okinawa, we were right on Japan's doorstep. We had two options- launch a land invasion that would make D-Day seem like a vacation by comparison, since Japan had organized most of its population into a civilian fighting force. Estimates placed the casualty counter at upwards of 1,000,000 Americans, not to mention the Japanese, who were so indoctrinated some people on captured islands would throw their kids off cliffs, then jump after them, rather than be found by the Americans, who they were indoctrinated to believe would rape them, kill them, and sell them as slaves (ironic, really, considering what Japan had done in the past)...

The bomb would be the great equalizer in our sacrifice for the war - that we sacrificed our humanity to win the war - IF PEOPLE ACKNOWLEDGED IT. But we don't. No one wants come out and say it. So, we spent money. Big woop. You can earn money back. You can't get those individual lives back. So I ask you again, what did we sacrifice to the war that could equate to the sacrifice of the other Allies in the war? Why aren't the other countries venerated to the Degree America is? Plenty of battles that Russia had involved superior tactics and warfare.

Say what you will of Japanese soldiers and their tactics, that does not take away from our crimes against humanity in what we did. Yet USA still does not admit error. USA does not admit that what was done was unconscionable. It's spoken about, but never in any official capacity. Also, I smell bull shit on the one million claim. It's an appeal to probability with a monumental number that is grand and monumental. Instead of pulling our weight in the war, we decided to incinerate women and children and justify it by saying "we would've lost soldiers." Not much better than Nazis right there. Line up each of the women and children and pull the trigger yourself saying each time "I'm saving American Soldiers so they need not fight Japanese Soldiers."

Im entirely familiar with the reasoning in why we "Dropped the bombs." I knew this one million statistic. My father was a huge WW-2 Buff. However, I'm looking at different perspectives of why we dropped bombs. However, in any discussion, there's the message you speak, and the message that is received. While we said we'd save 1 million American Soldiers. We also said that we'd rather kill women and children than fight on equal terms with people who carried weapons. Better to hit those who can't fight back, right?

Please open up your mind before resorting to American Propaganda.

Again you're missing the point. ALL the Allied powers sacrificed A lot. Simply because more people died on one side or the other- DOES NOT MEAN THE SIDE WITH ORE DEATHS SACRIFICED MORE. I don't see what about that statement is so hard to understand.

What crimes against humanity? The bomb?

Yeah, that's not a crime against humanity. We bombed a military industrial target, and people nearby were also killed. That's not a "crime against humanity." I don't think you actually know what that term means. Oh wait, I think you do, as you did bring up the National Socialists.

Oh, not just Japanese soldiers. those women and children, too. I'll tell you again, in case you missed it- they had mobilized their civilian population into a makeshift militia. But it's quite similar to the trolley problem- would you save one million lives at the cost of 126,000? Anyhow, that's a very shabby ad hominem/straw man you got there. Of course I don't support killing people indiscriminately (unlike the Japanese). But war, in its very nature, is tragic. Oftentimes people DO get caught in the crossfire. They did in Europe, too.

No, I don't think you do.

There's that ad hominem/straw man again. Besides, as I keep restating again and again (and you keep ignoring again and again), Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both military targets that happened to be located in larger cities. We weren't just killing women and children for the sake of killing women and children. Their deaths, as all wartime deaths are, great tragedies. But ultimately the bomb saved many lives, likely many Japanese as well.

"Also, I smell bull shit"
Yeah, me too. I think it's coming from you.

No, you're missing the point on the meme I created. You're trying to change the narrative to suit your propaganda machine agenda.\

"and what the personal sexual behavior of the man who cracked it has to do with.. anything?" It speaks to the point of the meme. History has been whitewashed. No one talks about the Enigma code until they made a damned movie about it. We sure get taught about Pearl Harbor in school though. Amirite? And the Great Heroic D-Day which was a colossal failure for the US. It was the worst-case scenario. Canada Broke through first. US lost all but two of its tanks-- because they sank.... Because of modification failure.

"from Northern France and Belgium. The fact that the Soviets were faster proves.. absolutely nothing."
Oh, Operation Fortitude, you mean the operation where Allied Aerial powers outnumbered the axis by 30:1, the operation that was deliberately done to mislead the german forces into thinking we would attack North france? Where, of the 95,000 men in France on the German side, were divided as to where to counter a 225,000 man invasion that was now cut off from the north because of Operation Fortitude?

Yes, I do read Sun Tzu, and I am totally familiar with his writings, and I understand the principles in military conquest in this regard. Yet still, you cannot ccme to grips with the fact that the bulk of German armies were up north, no where near France. The
Russians paid that price.

And finally.
"Again you're missing the point. ALL the Allied powers sacrificed A lot. Simply because more people died on one side or the other- DOES NOT MEAN THE SIDE WITH ORE DEATHS SACRIFICED MORE. I don't see what about that statement is so hard to understand."
Don't we have a bit about "The Ultimate Sacrifice?" where death is the highest price? So, that no longer applies in this instance? Why? (Incase you're wondering, this isn't a strawman, if you're going to cite logical fallacy, know what fallacies you're using
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You're here proving my Original meme 100% Could not be happier with your cat lady response. /thread.

The meme you created is saying that the US did not "sacrifice" as much as other nations. Pretty sure I understand your meme, just that you don't understand MY argument.

I disagree with you? CLEARLY I MUST be brainwashed. There is LITERALLY no other explanation!

Yeah, I knew he was kinda gay. I'm asking- how does this prove that the US sacrificed less? How does this prove... anything? Yeah, he might have been gay. Big whoop.

D-Day was a failure?

Okay, now you're just making stuff up. You are aware that they took the beaches and ultimately the entirety of France, right?

Right?

Again, so what? The Russians may have beaten us to Berlin. That proves nothing. Keep in mind that the Russians also had their faithful ally with them- the winter.

Good for you. Do you want a cookie or something?

It is. But there are other forms of sacrifice. Like financial sacrifice, like material sacrifice (ever seen those "collect scrap metal" propaganda cartoons?) and all other sorts of sacrifice. Just because more people died from one specific front doesn't mean that other countries don't sacrifice as well.

Oh great. I'm a cat lady now. 😼

"Okay, now you're just making stuff up. You are aware that they took the beaches and ultimately the entirety of France, right?

Right?"

Allied forces collectively, yes. America fell on its face.

Again, now you're just making stuff up.

Allied Forces, supported and supplied by the USA, not to mention various hard fought battles, like the Battle of the Bulge.

"Again, so what? The Russians may have beaten us to Berlin. That proves nothing. Keep in mind that the Russians also had their faithful ally with them- the winter.

Good for you. Do you want a cookie or something?"

LMAO.

Your honor, the defense rests, the prosecution has bought into myths surrounding the Russian Counterattack.

Thinking Winter was the deciding factor for the Russian front is all I need to know about your "history comprehension."

It's okay, It was said best in Men in Black:

"You're everything we've come to expect from years of government training." Though of course, I'd change there verbiage a bit to fit this scenario.

Yeah, I would say the same to you, who needed me to explain it to you.

It was not the DECIDING factor. There are various factors that led to the German collapse, from lack of resources to thin and long supply lines.. But the winter certainly didn't help the Germans, Again. I am not discounting the Russian achievements, like you are with the US. Battles like Kursk and Stalingrad were amazing tactics-wise.

Well, if we're quoting pop culture...

"The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie became the truth."
-George Orwell, 1984

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Yeah, I knew he was kinda gay. I'm asking- how does this prove that the US sacrificed less? How does this prove... anything? Yeah, he might have been gay. Big whoop."

This touches on the point exactly. No one teaches this in Public School. We hear about literally everything else, except these points I've been making. Why? Because it's not about America. It doesn't fit the "America won the war" narrative that served as morale propaganda without correcting the issue.

The whole point, is that America undeservedly places itself as "Hey look! We won the war for everyone!" Leaving the Russians, the British, and other allies as footnotes as people who helped. That's the point you refuse to acknowledge which is symptomatic of the propaganda I've been calling out that you also refuse to acknowledge thus satisfying the conditions of the meme.

And?

Does it matter what his sexual behavior was, or that he cracked the Enigma Code?

Yeah, when I was in school. we learned about ALL the Allied powers, so I'm not sure where you're getting this from.

And yes, we DID win the war. We WERE on the winning side, after all.

They contributed to help everyone, which is where the lend lease program comes in. And again, I'm not sure where you're hearing this because i've never heard that. It actually proves my point that all you can make are strawmen.

"These guys would charge Marines with bayonets in the dead of night." Wait, you mean another force wasn't fighting on agreed terms of conventional warfare? I wonder what the big win in the American Revolution warfare was... Oh right, guerilla fighting instead of engaging in line warfare.

"who they were indoctrinated to believe would rape them, kill them, and sell them as slaves (ironic, really, considering what Japan had done in the past)..." Funny that America is saying that about a lot of people these days...

Your Argument:
"Actually, we were in the southwest (Italy/Southern France) AND the northwest, from Northern France and Belgium. The fact that the Soviets were faster proves.. absolutely nothing."
Also your argument:
"We had two options- launch a land invasion that would make D-Day seem like a vacation by comparison, since Japan had organized most of its population into a civilian fighting force Estimates placed the casualty counter at upwards of 1,000,000 Americans,"

So, which is it: are we going with casual reasoning fallacy or not? Just because D-Day was rough, doesn't mean that this inherently would be.

We're talking about WW2, buddy. And besides, guerilla warfare has its limits. There are certain rules regarding warfare, especially at that point in time.

What?

Yes. Those are both true statements. D-Day was tough. A land invasion of the home islands would be tougher. Please, explain to me how that is incorrect.

I'll wait.

Wow that went right over your head *facepalm*

Projection *facepalm*

And the deflection to avoid how it went over your head. Classic.

Tell me again how the Atlantic Theater was the only theater in WW2.

I'll wait.

...In fact, the US has not minted any new Purple Hearts since WW2- we've been using the stockpile prepared in anticipation of a land invasion of Japan. We could have done this, but there was the recent development in the field of nuclear physics that allowed the creation of a new bomb. The A-Bomb. This bomb was chosen over a land invasion since it would ultimately save more American lives (and, most likely, more Japanese lives). And we actually gave them fair warning. We issued the Potsdam Declaration, warning them that if they didn't surrender, we would bring "prompt and utter destruction." They refused. So we bombed Hiroshima, a military target of great industrial importance, not just "let's kill all the women and children." Then we issued another ultimatum, calling on Japan to surrender. They again refused, saying that we were bluffing and that we only had one bomb. So we bombed Nagasaki, another military/industrial target. Only then did they surrender.

Instead of fighting the "honorable, conventional way? Oh, boy. Now I don't know if you're incredibly disingenuous or just naive, but we WERE fighting the "honorable, conventional" way. Tell me, does attacking someone to cripple them before you even declare war on them and they have a chance to fight back sound "honorable and conventional" to you? Does tying pregnant women to stakes, the slashing their stomachs and placing bets of the sex of the baby sound "honorable and conventional" to you? Does tossing babies in the air and catching them on bayonets seem "honorable and conventional" to you? That's not even the tip of the iceberg. Ever heard of Unit 731? Ever heard of the Bataan Death March? The Palawan Massacre? Hell, have you ever heard about what the AVERAGE Japanese POW camp was like?

That is the most ridiculous strawman I have ever seen. Try again.

Meanwhile, we imprisoned people who looked Japanese in internment camps.

You either die being the hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

That said - so, just because they did a bad thing, we do a bad thing back and warn them about it again and again? That makes it right?

I'm not surprised.

FDR (D) imprisoned people. And yes, that was horrible. I'm not denying it (unlike the Japanese government).

What?

You clearly missed the point. What I said was- we warned them and offered them a chance to surrender before each bomb was dropped. Both times they refused. The bombs ultimately saved more lives than they took. And yes. all loss of life is tragic. But a land invasion would have cost more lives- both American and Japanese- because this country needed essentially to be slapped and told, "snap out of it!" They were fanatical.

"I'm not surprised."

About what? The fact that I'm disagreeing with your strawman?

Actually, it's kind of an ad hominem too.

A strawman is where I summarize your argument, then make a new argument based off of that information, then debunk/discredit said argument.

"And?

Does it matter what his sexual behavior was, or that he cracked the Enigma Code?

Yeah, when I was in school. we learned about ALL the Allied powers, so I'm not sure where you're getting this from.

And yes, we DID win the war. We WERE on the winning side, after all.

They contributed to help everyone, which is where the lend lease program comes in. And again, I'm not sure where you're hearing this because i've never heard that. It actually proves my point that all you can make are strawmen."

Even after I explained how strawman works, you still can't use it right.

We sacrificed nothing compared to our allies.
We joined the European front so late that Russia was already on its way to Berlin.

The point is that we didn't prevent the loss of the war, we expedited the victory. No where near as important as staving off defeat. Through lend lease we 9nly sent 182bil by today's standards which isn't much. We only spent 15% of our war bill on it. Our contributions were valuable, but certainly not war winning.

Good luck with your propaganda. BTW Russia beat us to GE.

That's... not a strawman, but okay...

We joined from the West just as Britain and free French troops were also making their way to Berlin. In fact we helped them do so. So if you're gonna rip on America, you're gonna have to rip on the other Western Allies, too.

So do you actually have an argument or are you just trying to discount America's achievements and assistance to other power in any way possible? With the amount of goalpost-shifting you're doing, I'm beginning to think it's the latter.

Also I think it is, again, an appropriate time to remind you that the European Theater was not the only theater in the war.

lol, talk about projection...

Also I never disputed that.

Mirriam Webster - Strawman:
a weak or imaginary opposition (such as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily refuted.

Stop trying to have USA keep taking credit for all the hard work that was done in World War 2. You're whitewashed. You're not changing my mind on this. I don't hate America, but I realize that there's more to the war than what we did in World War 2.

We weren't heroes. It's not a crime to think otherwise.

Talk about shifting the goal posts? How about red herrings from the focus of the Meme?

B-b-b-but our bombs! B-b-b-but other theatres!

*slow jerking motion* When it comes to how costly the war was, how much of a toll it took on our people - we got lucky. Oh wait, no we didn't,we just used weapons of mass destruction.

Conversation over. Kthx bai.

You've provided a definition twice now. How about reading it?

LMFAO in that same breath as you lecture me about strawmen, you say I am "whitewashed (I believe you may have meant to say "brainwashed") and make a claim asserting I said something I never actually said. I never said the USA should get all the credit, but they should get their fair share, which is not such a small portion as you seem to believe.

Yeah, I can see that.

We are, and yes, it's not a crime to think otherwise. Thank the West, and particularly the US, for that freedom.

A red herring is a distraction from an original argument. In case you missed it, YOUR argument was: "The USA takes too much credit for winning WW2, because [various mentions of Russia and the European Theater]." I brought up the other major theater of the war (you know, the one where America fought virtually alone and the one you oh-so-conveniently forgot) an just one of our major wartime achievements, you know, the thing that ended the war.

When you're ready to have a rational discussion, let me know. If you're just interested in hurling insults, fallacies, and the like, please, just keep it to yourself.

You were never here to discuss, you were here to just throw mud. Now please, cease and desist, I'm done talking to you; you're boring in your attempts just to in futility get under my skin. You're harassing me.

It's over; go home.