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It is fantasy series so it's kinda ok but for most American's this type of misinformed view of history is quite common for them to actually believe.
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Aye, America certainly helped end it faster. The soviets still would have crushed the Nazis and taken over more of Europe without us stepping in.

It's actually impressive how fast the Russians sieged Berlin.
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Yalta confrence fingers crossed for stalin | "I won the war!" "The fuck is this dude saying?" | image tagged in yalta confrence fingers crossed for stalin | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
Aha! Touched a nerve, innit?

I like Churchill, overall - even if he was a raging racist imperialist, he did give a some good speeches against Hitler and was the moral force against the Axis, and later, against the Soviets. Some of the best quotes in history summing up the hopes and the ironies of democracy as a system of government.

But let's not kid ourselves. In terms of hard power, in this grouping of 3, he was the junior partner. And Churchill knew it.

Why do you think Churchill spent every other day on the phone with FDR begging him to get involved in Europe? In response, FDR pioneered Lend-Lease, but the U.S. was very much short of entering WWII on Britain's behalf, until the Japanese resolved that question with Pearl Harbor.

So, be lucky:
--That America was led by a liberal internationalist like FDR, who understood the stakes in Europe, rather than a conservative isolationist anti-Semite like, say, Charles Lindbergh.
--That Hitler foolishly declared war on the U.S. after Pearl Harbor, honoring his alliance with Japan, but also putting Nazi Germany on the map for the U.S.

Had Hitler not declared war on the U.S., it's conceivable the U.S. would have only fought in the Pacific Theater, lending only token support to Britain. The European Theater of WWII would have looked a lot different. Britain and the USSR (without America) vs. Nazi Germany may have resolved as a stalemate.
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Churchill had to ask you lot to grow a spine and help the rest of the world out. Without Britain's location and support the US wouldn't have gotten anywhere near Europe without either being pushed back by the Nazis or depending on how late the yanks were, they'd have to compete with the USSR.

We would have beaten those nazi f**ks regardless but America's involvement sped things up.

We survived Germany's attempt to take our homes in 1940 and sent them running.

Twice the Germans tried to defeat us,
Twice we sent them back home with a skelped arse.
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Chamberlain vs. Churchill | image tagged in chamberlain vs churchill | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
>>The British-led North African and Italian campaigns were slow-going and fairly tangential to the war effort.
>>British efforts in the Pacific Theater (e.g. Australia, India): same. The U.S. did the heavy lifting.
>>Britain launching a D-Day style invasion of mainland Europe on its own without U.S. support? Please. The Brits could barely get their troops out of Dunkirk.

Like I said, I do think Churchill was a chad, even if most alt-righties in your wheelhouse these days are taking their cues from Chamberlain when it comes to accommodating Russian aggression in Europe.

It takes nothing away from Britain to situate it properly as one player in a multilateral coordinated global effort to defeat the Axis.

Happy New Year my dude
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Russia doesn't seek to dominate the whole of Europe and create a nazi superstate you muppet. Russia can't and won't attack Europe you live in fantasy land.

The only reason you're not speaking German is because of Churchill.

Happy New Year and f**k the 3rd reich and the ussr!
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You're operating with the benefit of hindsight, not considering the world as they knew it in 1937.

Chamberlain didn't know Hitler was planning a tour-de-Europe for the Wehrmacht when he signed away the Sudetenland. Matter of fact, as part of getting the other signatories to sign off on the Munich Agreement, Adolf Hitler announced that this was to be his *last* territorial claim in Northern Europe. Pinkie promise!

Despite Hitler's history of past annexations, the Munich signatories were tempted to believe Hitler's latest fib. Because it would have been nice, if true.

Moral of the story? Fascists are lying liars who lie.

If Putin has a moral compass that would stop him from claiming every square inch of Europe that his goons are capable of, I haven't seen it. He's truly constrained by only two things: his own army's weakness, and Western strength and unity.
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That's a lot of assumptions there.
I will say it again, slowly so that even your confounded brain can understand.

Putin. Will. Not. Attack. Europe. He. Doesn't. Have. The. Power. Even. if. He. Wanted. To. You. Demented. Idiot.
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You have a curious way of expressing agreement.

Happy New Year again my dude
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And yet, you still delude yourself into thinking Putin is some kind of Hitler 2.0 despite contradicting yourself every 10 secconds.

Ohhh, and Happy New Year, my demented co-Imgflip'er
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Putin is Hitler, if Hitler had to enter the fight with WWI-era weaponry and a corrupt, dysfunctional logistics corps, outdated combined arms tactics, and an unmotivated army from top to bottom. Call him Derpler. Call it a Blyatzkrieg.

That said, even an army as shambolic as Russia's has proven capable of flattening apartment buildings and shooting grandmas in the back of the head and blowing up maternity wards. Pregnant women can't defend themselves, 2-day-old infants can't defend themselves. Any civilian unlucky enough to be in territory under Russian occupation must beware.

And of course, as he never fails to remind us, Putin has nukes. Using them would be instant suicide for Russia, but he does have them.
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In your dreams he is.
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Putin isn't Hitler, not even close.
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He’s trying to be!
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Your argument is so ridiculous that all I can do is laugh at you at this point.
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That’s a good card to play when the Hitler t analogy is to Trump or someone else. It’s a silly card to play when we’re talking about easily the most Hitleresque leader Europe has seen since WWII.

—Rips up international treaties.
—Major chip on shoulder; delusions of grandeur and of revising history in Russia’s favor.
—Built literal concentration camps to house kidnapped Ukrainians.
—Indiscriminate bombings, all the war crimes I alluded to.
—Launched a war in Europe on a scale that hasn’t been seen since WWII.

What we both agree on is that the performance of Putin’s conventional forces is laughable in comparison to Hitler’s.

What hasn’t been mentioned yet: *Putin has nukes.* Hitler didn’t. Putin could get himself into a grumpy mood tomorrow and push the big red button. I don’t really expect him to, but again, it’s an “odds low, never zero” situation.

Last: Hitler’s dead. Putin isn’t. Hitler can’t hurt anyone anymore. His legacy isn’t going to change, while Putin’s is still being written.

Bottom-line: Putin still has time and the ability to snatch the title of the most genocidal world leader in human history.
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lend lease was a really big deal
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It helped but we had the Luftwaffe crushed by that point.
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don't forget all the food we gave to the soviets. Probably wouldn't have fared too great for Britain had the Soviets starved to death.
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I would have just prolonged the war and Britain and France might have taken Berlin 1st. The USSR was unstoppable by the Germans by late 1943 due to Germany's logistical nightmares.
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it's not a question of whether they were unstoppable in late 1943 or not, if they didn't have food, fuel, materials, equipment, etc., they could never have gotten to that point.

https://www.rferl.org/a/did-us-lend-lease-aid-tip-the-balance-in-soviet-fight-against-nazi-germany/30599486.html

Included in that is all the stuff the US sent the USSR. Apparently Stalin and Kruschev both thought they couldn't have won the war without lend lease.
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The wouldn't have taken Germany, but they could still defeat the Nazis in the USSR territory.

The soviets had plenty of troops that they were willing to sacrifice for victory. A few million starving would have simply slowed them down.

Either way Berlin was destined to be crushed and Hitler disposed of.
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papa Stalin disagrees
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[image deleted] Stalin can think whatever he likes, he was commie scum and died alone on the floor of his mansion covered in his own piss and no doctor would treat him out of fear.
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I think he would know better than you about this.
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https://notevenpast.org/lend-lease/#:~:text=Ironically%2C%20although%20the%20Soviet%20Union,beginning%20of%20the%20Cold%20War.
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lend lease wasn't just stuff so the soviets could drive to Berlin. If it wasn't for lend lease, the Soviets would have had far, far less material to make their weapons (needed for killing enemy), far less food (needed for living), and far less (and lower quality) fuel (needed to fly planes, drive stuff, etc.).
https://www.rferl.org/a/did-us-lend-lease-aid-tip-the-balance-in-soviet-fight-against-nazi-germany/30599486.html
read the numbers provided here.
That's all I've got to say on that.
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Really, cause from where I'm standing Stalin is staring up at the grass and I'm still alive and well and safe from his gulags.
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what evidence do you have to support your claim that lend lease didn't really win the war, like Stalin, the guy who ran the Soviet Union (and did not particularly like the US), thought?
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