Fixing annoying leftist slogans part #2

what does that even mean

One of the things Shaytan promised to God is that he will change His creations
look now

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it kinda is my body
this is literally my body
poke it and i feel things
are you stupid

It's talking about abortion.

i’m fully aware dipshit
abortion is a right and is healthcare
would you force the second most painful experience, giving birth, on a minor? someone who was raped? do you think they deserve to be punished for their misfortune with pain and responsibility for a child they never meant to end up with? scientifically, the fetus is not alive until abt 1-3 weeks before delivery
you’re gonna look at a fetus that doesn’t even have fingernails or a functioning brain yet and call it a life? or is it an excuse to exercise control and tyranny over those with uteruses. and i can assure you, the reason we don’t have mothers of 19 children, all 1 year apart from the next, is not because men learned to control the nut. we were given the freedom to be like “hey, i don’t wanna have 19 kids and then die at 40. maybe i should, i dunno, live my life the way i choose?”
and some babies would never have been born if the mother hadn’t gotten an abortion in the past
some people try to have kids and end up having a miscarriage so bad it’s either the mom and the baby die or just the baby dies. i think choosing the option of just one death is better tbh
and with these anti-abortion laws, women who genuinely just had miscarriages and were unable to deliver the baby alive, despite medical intervention, are tried and prosecuted in court as murderers

being pro-life is actually not only anti-life ultimately, but also anti womens rights
and without women, what would humanity be? why do you feel the need to devolve our rights?

Bro wrote a whole paragraph of bullshit that I'm not reading

and that’s why you’re not getting smarter.
humanity is doomed lmao you guys are literally trying to get worse
TLDR: women deserve rights. if you’re gonna be a jackass and “pro-life” just know it’s ultimately harmful to human life

You know what's harmful to human life? Killing millions of babies. And yes, women do deserve rights. For example, half of babies killed in abortions would be women.

the baby isn’t actually alive until it’s just abt to be born
you really looked at a blob of flesh with an umbilical cord, no fingernails, and no brain function at all and thought “yup. that’s totally not just part of the mother in this stage
and some people have to get abortions during bad miscarriages no matter how bad they wanted the baby, otherwise 2 people die instead of 1. if the mom chooses to die with the baby instead of getting an abortion, she can’t try again after moving on. also she literally dies

Well, even if you do say that it's not a human (Which I disagree with), it eventually does grow into a human. That's like saying that someone who's a vegetable but will likely get fine in 9 months doesn't matter.

Also, miscarriges?
"It is now illegal to bury people alive"
"Now we won't be able to bury the dead!"
I say no more.

If the mother dies instead of getting an abortion, then an abortion shouldn't occur. What SHOULD occur is an attempt to save the life of the child and the mother at all costs. Not just slaughtering the child.

there are miscarriages where the child is already dead and delivering them in the condition they’re in would kill the mom. so an abortion is much more practical
i know people who had to get abortions as a life saving treatment, they mourn their dead children but they love and care for the ones they were able to raise after a successful childbirth that couldn’t have happened if the mom died
also, childbirth is the second most painful physical human experience. it’s second only to burning to death. imagine you were a teenaged girl who was raped. a creepy old man drugged your drink while no one was looking and then impregnated you. this is already incredibly f**ked up and traumatic. now imagine being punished for your misfortune with the second most painful physical human experience, and having the responsibility of a child you didn’t want who also happens to be the child of the guy who ruined your life. you wouldn’t like that. neither would the child. if you don’t want the child, the child knows. and growing up knowing your family doesn’t want you is actually really bad for your mental/social/developmental health.

"there are miscarriages where the child is already dead and delivering them in the condition they’re in would kill the mom. "
Then it's not an abortion, because the child's dead.

"i know people who had to get abortions as a life saving treatment, they mourn their dead children but they love and care for the ones they were able to raise after a successful childbirth that couldn’t have happened if the mom died"
Life-saving? As I said, doctors should try to save the life of the child as well as the mother as opposed to aborting the child.

"childbirth is the second most painful physical human experience. it’s second only to burning to death. imagine you were a teenaged girl who was raped. a creepy old man drugged your drink while no one was looking and then impregnated you. this is already incredibly f**ked up and traumatic...."
(the following is copy-pasted and slightly edited from another comment of mine)
The rape/incest argument is in the minority of cases of abortion (<1%) so making that argument says that you agree that the rest of the abortions are wrong.

Also, the child doesn't deserve to be killed for the terrible actions of the father. And before you call me anti-woman, I believe in stronger punishments for rape, and one of the reasons I'm pro 2a as well; women should be able to carry guns to protect themselves, since a woman with a gun is stronger than any rapist сunt.

"if you don’t want the child, the child knows. and growing up knowing your family doesn’t want you is actually really bad for your mental/social/developmental health."
Better that a child has issues than a child's dead.

Aight bro thanks for the gun advice but I’d have to disagree with you on this one. What if someone was raped and they had a child?

Well first off: That argument is in the minority of cases of abortion (<1%) so making that argument says that you agree that the rest of the abortions are wrong

Second: The child doesn't deserve to be killed for the terrible actions of the father. And before you call me anti-woman, I believe in stronger punishments for rape (forced labor for >50 years). I also think that women should carry guns to protect themselves, since a woman with a gun is stronger than any unarmed "man".

The bay isn’t born yet. It doesn’t know how to think. It’s not fully human yet.

(copypasted from the comment above)
Well, even if you do say that it's not a human (Which I disagree with), it eventually does grow into a human. That's like saying that someone who's a vegetable but will likely get fine in 9 months doesn't matter.

It can’t think for itself. Many women die in childbirth. I’m sure a lot of the people who want abortions are worried about health. Plus, if the woman dies, it would be cruel to leave it with no mother.

Which is more cruel: To leave a child without his mother, or to slaughter said child?
So what if it can't think? It will be able to think.
Maternal mortality rates have gone down, but yes women do die in childbirth still. That doesn't justify the killing of the children.

I’d much rather save a life than bring a life into this world tbh

I can’t really argue over the morality of abortions. Both sides have good points. I’m just gonna end it right here because I’m not gonna get anywhere

if the child is already doomed to die, what’s so wrong about trying to save the life of the mother? i’m saying some mothers have complications that can cause the baby to die. why does the baby have to take the mother with them? if your point is that you want to minimize loss of life, then abortion is important to that. abortion saves lives
some people are raped by their own fathers
i’ve heard stories of people getting puberty and the ability to get pregnant early, then immediately getting raped.
one that sticks out to me was the story of a 5 year old who was forced to carry a fetus at an inappropriate age. they were able to scrape by for 5 years after the birth until both the child and the baby died from complications of having a pregnancy at such a young age, and complications of incest. this would not have ended in such a tragedy if the child had access to abortion

Oi then women should be more careful with drinking alone, eh? Bring a friend, maybe? Seems a bit stupid to go out alone drinking if you're a woman.

Rapists are weak. That's why they prey upon others. Do you know who has the element of surprise? The woman. That's right, if a woman has a gun, they have the element of surprise since most don't carry. Maybe the rapist has a weapon, but you know what? I support women shooting rapists.

what if, instead of forcing women to live under these conditions, we taught men better. to keep it in their pants and learn how to take a no. and some people are threatened or unable to defend themselves due to disability. it’s not a woman’s fault or responsibility if a man is an asshole. it’s the man’s responsibility to not be an asshole.

I never said they deserved pain? I said that it's better for someone to endure pain than it is to kill a child.

And yes, it is in the minority of cases.
Do you know how women can prevent sexual assault against them? By carrying a gun. Heck, even a knife. Scissors can also be used as effective self-defense weapons.

yes, but guess what rapists also have? weapons. and the element of surprise. and drugs they can slip into a drink. the knowledge of what’s about to happen.

"if the child is already doomed to die, what’s so wrong about trying to save the life of the mother?"
Nothing? I just said that the child's life should be attempted to be saved at all costs. I don't give a single shit if there's a 0.01% chance, it's better than purposefully killing the child.
"abortion saves lives"
Maybe it does, but it kills more. 60 Million dead babies more?

I'm not going to talk about the rest because that's in the minority of cases and you need to stop trying to manipulate emotions.

and saying that those people deserve pain is not ok

it’s not the minority of cases. do you know how prevalent sexual violence is in the everyday life of someone with a uterus? too prevalent

I can guarantee you 99% of men hate rapists with a passion. It's up to the woman to try and make sure that 1% doesn't do shit by at the very least bringing a friend.

except a vegtable was alive at some point in the past
the fetus was not
and vegetables don’t usually get better

The fact that the vegetable was alive at some point is irrelavant. If the doctors could hypothetically say with an extremely high certainty that the vegetable would get better, wouldn't killing the vegetable be wrong?

yes, but the vegtable was alive before. so taking something they used to have would be wrong. also, vegetables rarely get better
meanwhile, a fetus wasn’t alive before. you can’t take something they never had

So I win then?

nah i’m just tired af

No, it's like taking someone's bike whilst it's in shipping, by that logic. You see, the baby would be alive at some point in the future.

i think we went too many metaphors deep

I'm tired too, and yet here I am.

no like i’m gonna fall asleep

If a vegetable that hypothetically has an extremely high chance of waking up within a certain area of time has no brain function by that logic, it should be moral to kill them.

No, it still doesn't matter that the vegatable had brain function before. Explain this whole thing to me, because I don't see how that makes any sense.

no, because a vegtable was alive at one point. it’s not irrelevant, you’re taking something they had at one point by killing them.
if the fetus never had any brain function, then you’re not taking anything.
it’s like trying to take someone’s bike, except the bike doesn’t even exist yet

It is irrelevent that the vegetable was conscious.

Plus, the baby is alive. It has a seperate genome, and it has semi-developed features.

if there is no brain function in the baby, it isn’t alive and never was

Dude, how fuсking dense are you?
Let me explain once more, but slowly now and in individiual sentences.

It's still irrelavant that the vegetable was alive before.

If the doctors could HYPOTHETICALLY (Emphasis on hypothetically in case you didn't figure it out the the first time that I said hypothetically) say that a vegetable would get better with a high certainty within a rough time-frame it would be wrong to kill them, no?

it’s not irrelevant. the reason killing is wrong is because you are taking a life. but you cannot take something that someone never had.

No, we didn't go "too many metaphors deep". First of all, they're comparisons. Second of all, as I said by that logic the child would be alive at some point.

I'll tell you about the "pascal's bet" of abortion as well here.
Let's assume there's a 50% chance that children inside the womb deserve the right to life, morally. Now let's assume 50% for the opposite as well.
If the first option is true and abortion isn't banned, the results are 60,000,000 murdered children.
If the second option is true and abortion is banned, the results are a lot of people who are now alive and wouldn't have been.

"Fixing leftist slogans"

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