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One took bribes, the other played baseball.

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D- doctor suess?
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Except of course Trump didn’t blackmail Zelensky. We all heard it and know that was imagined spin by the radical left.
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Fair enough. I’ve often said, because it is a fact, that Biden Quid Pro Quo was a sanctioned US deal, and not for personal gain.

By all means, recontextualize the Zelenskyy call as something that wasn’t for personal gain.
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Fortunately, what you have often said is irrelevant. The call as we all heard was nothing improper at all. There was no blackmail involved. There was no collusion involved. There was a legal request for information about a US Citizen and former government official who might have acted improperly by all accounts. This person was not a political opponent of President Trump at the time the request was made and the ridiculous spin and torment the left put this country through for the four years of Trump's administration -- culminating is a sham impeachment procedure is beyond the pale. The left really outdid themselves in their (actual) coup attempt. Their actual election denial. Their assault on our republic (we're not democracy of course).

And yet, Trump was an excellent president (except for his arrogance and mouth). His policies were some of the best we've had since Reagan and that's undeniable. Didn't vote for him in 2016, but did in 2020 solely because he proved his ability to lead (in spite of his character issues) AND because of the shenanigans of the left

Biden, in two years, has proven his character flaws AND his inability to lead. Pathetic.
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Facts can certainly be irrelevant. But I believe in this case you mean inconvenient, because the facts are inconvenient to you so you leave them out.

Such as Trump’s unprecedented move authorizing to hold aid and force Zelenskyy into a power play.

It’s not too dissimilar to Biden’s move to do the exact same thing.

Here are where the two diverge.

Again, the plan to withhold aid wasn’t Biden’s. He was just the messenger. You think Biden is smart enough to come up with the plan all his own? Or his drugged up scumbag son’s? You’re right! Biden has no leadership skills.

But Trump is a born negotiator. He knows how to leverage the information he wants. Even if it’s not his job to investigate individual citizens and government officials. Didn’t we argue that kind of thing wasn’t Obama’s job? Anyway, rather than go through the proper jurisdictional channels, he proceeded to directly use his power for personal reasons of vendetta rather than for altruistic reasons. Even if Ukraine had the dirt, you think our government would care about such potentially fabricated evidence? The media? Sure! It’s have a field day. But if Trump wanted Biden locked up… but even Trump admits his unconventional governing style lead to more mistakes than none. Not his fault. He didn’t know who were the bad people at the time, he claims. He knows now. You really think Trump was dumb enough to think Biden wouldn’t run against him in 2020? You give him so little credit.

Biden’s inability to lead doesn’t vindicate Trump’s attempt to sabotage a potential political opponent at the cost of our allies in Ukraine.

Allies we wouldn’t have without the US government authorizing Biden to tell them to withhold aid if that money was just going into Russian pockets.
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Was not commenting on your perceived facts, but your opinion. That's what's irrelevant.

And the rest of your post is pure BS just "nyuh-uh"ing what you were already corrected on.

good day to you.
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Trump withholding aid is a fact.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-ordered-hold-on-military-aid-days-before-calling-ukrainian-president-officials-say/2019/09/23/df93a6ca-de38-11e9-8dc8-498eabc129a0_story.html

Biden withholding aid was US sanctioned is also a fact.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-europe-donald-trump-ap-fact-check-barack-obama-981ef7feb11053c1340a9d028d6f357b

You call it bullshit because these facts are inconvenient to your argument.

Oh, and apologies for the lib media rag sources. One the things I hate most about mainstream media are their lies of omission.

Too bad much of conservative media does much the same. If not more.
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