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There won't be any "redwave."
The redwave narrative takes as a given that the average American voter changed their minds about Republicans, Democrats, Joe Biden, Don Trump, etcetera over the last two years. There is simply no reason to believe this. The average democrat voter never once voted for Joe Biden. They voted against Republicans. The average Republican voter never once voted for Trump, they voted against Democrats.
The world's view of US politics is deeply flawed because only the craziest voices on both sides of an issue ever make the news. The majority of Americans hate both political parties and simply vote for what they consider to be the lesser of two evils.
Now the Republican party is going to pick up some seats in the House and Senate. But this generally happens in a midterm as a commentary on the lack of tangible results the sitting president actually got. Most US presidents are despised during midterm elections for not doing anything they promised. There is a major disconnect between the reality that the president has limited power to make quick changes, and the perception of reality that the president has unlimited power.
In two short years we've entered the worse period of inflation in any of our lifetimes and face down the grim reality that anything the government does to correct inflation will lead to worse inflation (printing money, raising taxes, government handouts, etcetera) or a literal depression (increasing interest rates until companies close down.)
If this was a "redwave" we wouldn't be talking about Republicans picking up a few seats. We'd be talking about no Democrat ever winning another election as long as they continue to vote for tax and spend government overreach.
But we're not talking about that. Because people aren't deciding who to vote for today, TODAY. People decided who to vote AGAINST years ago.
2 ups, 2y
Agree. I'm not seeing a sea-change of opinion. But we're at a point where just a few tens of thousands of votes swinging one way or the other in an ever-shortening list of hotly contested states (like Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, Arizona, Georgia) can determine the country's future.

A small slice of independents were mad at Trump back in 2020, now the guard has changed and they're mad at Biden - though Trump has remained in the headlines, suing people, getting sued, running rallies, and hinting at '24, so residual anger against him can't be discounted.

So my prediction is a Republican win, but a close one, just like the 2020, the 2018, and the 2016 elections were all close. Neither Party will gain enough of a lasting advantage to feel comfortable for long, or suffer enough of a lasting setback to fundamentally change up their coalition or approach. The results will once again offer room for many competing narratives, and no real clarity.

This also seems to be a "talking-past-each-other" election.

--Republicans are talking about crime, the economy, immigration, and gay/trans kids.
--Democrats are talking about abortion, healthcare, Social Security/Medicare, and democracy.

These are all timeless themes that have come up in every election for as long as I can remember, and in the end both Parties come back to the same watering holes. Pick the issue that most concerns any given voter, and you'll probably also be able to guess which way they're voting. That said, from elections past, I do remember candidates actually debating substantive policies with each other ("what *is* your approach to immigration, anyway?"), and I don't see much of that happening anymore.

No one's really talking about Ukraine - let alone Taiwan - even though these are some of the biggest live foreign policy issues right now.
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4 ups, 2y
In my opinion, i've felt like the democrats are gonna lose the house due to them not focusing on inflation.

And also i hope they lose because they need a wake-up call and a fast one indeed. But if I'm being a little too generous, i think the democrats will win the senate the main reason that Warnock and Fetterman are leading the polls right now (Yes i know, no one takes the polls too seriously, but it shows that a specific candidate is in lead) Dr. Oz and Herschel Walker has been struck with some heavy controversies lately that maybe could affect their campaign to the minimum but not that serious due to the support of former president trump.

The congress for the democrats is a straight lost indeed.
1 up, 2y
This “red wave” is saved as a template for midterms. Do I think 2022 is actually going to be a red wave election?

Lol, I don’t know, depends on how you define that. I think do it’s quite likely Republicans take the House, since the President’s party virtually always loses in the midterms — the sole post-2000 exception being 2002, when Republicans gained seats since Americans were feeling patriotic after 9/11.

Democrats could also very well lose the Senate, since control is already on a knife’s edge at 50/50.

But I don’t think it’s going to be a huge blowout in either direction. Republicans and Democrats are both hopping mad at each other for their own reasons, which I believe will keep turnout on both sides pretty high.
1 up, 2y
OlympianProduct, BritishMormon, and Slobama are invited to give any thoughts they might have about today’s midterm elections.

It’s a huge topic and there are so many different rabbit-holes you could go down. Rather than prescribe sub-topics I thought I’d leave it pretty open-ended.
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1 up, 2y
I'm expecting a pretty good night for Republicans, but I'm not so sure about a red wave. I think Ron DeSantis and Kari Lake are going to win massively, and I'm predicting Dr. Oz, Ron Johnson, JD Vance, Tudor Dixon, Brian Kemp, Doug Mastriano, Tim Michels, and Marco Rubio will win their elections as well. New York's gubernatorial race between Kathy Hochul and Lee Zeldin I think is too close to call, and I think Warnock will beat Walker in Georgia.

Ultimately though, I don't think it really matters too much either way, the Democrat cult and neocon scum are never going to get on board with making things better for Americans and putting in the hard work to make America great again. Plus, it's almost a guarantee at this point that whoever loses is going to declare the election was stolen, and we're likely going to see either Antifa burning down more cities or another January 6th style event occur depending on the results.
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