We don't have any Calvinists here do we?

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Can you post ban me for a week? Imma getting too addicted to MSMG/Imgflip (l moment lol) so i'd like if you post banned me for a week. Not saying you should delete my account or comment ban me (I need to know when something important is happening) just post ban me for a week. That's all i'm saying.

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you still want me to ban you?

not like me account, just post ban me

ok I guess

dont comment ban tho

Calvinists [pre- destinationists] are half right.
Christ died for the sins of everyone who ever was or will be. He took the sins of the entire human race to hell and resurrected on the third day.
But only a few will accept His forgiveness.
The Lord is so much larger than the universe or anything we can imagine. He sees all moments of time simultaneously while still living in the moment of current time.
So He knew exactly who would accept his forgiveness before the foundation of the earth. This isn't pre- destination. This simply feels like pre- destination to humans stuck with a fairly linear view of the universe.

yeah they act like it's quantum physics in that observation (foreknowing) has an effect on the outcome, but all predestination is is that God predetermined that anyone who trusts Jesus for salvation He would adopt

Yes.
They just see it from a very limited point of view.

What do you mean by ``accepting`` forgiveness?
Is it a choice to either accept or not to accept forgiveness¿
honest question .

It's your choice to accept God's forgiveness or not.
John chapter 3
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Christ died for the sins of the entire world, but only those that believe and accept that forgiveness can receive it.

Thanks a lot.

I too can quote singular verses

“He predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will”

‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1‬:‭5‬

Now Jesus did die for the sins of the whole world, but that’s just one side of the story. The other end comes on those who accept him.

I was dealing specifically with the idea of limited atonement, that Jesus only died for the elect

As for Ephesians 1:5, it says He predestined us for adoption. That's different from if it said He predestined us to salvation, or predestined us to acceptance of His Son. God didn't have to adopt us into His family, but He chose to predetermine that whoever believes on Christ, He would adopt into His family.

Well what is adoption? He’s making us a part of his family, or making us a child of him, right? You can’t be one of those if you aren’t saved. And you can’t be saved if you don’t accept Jesus.

Agreed, the only way to become part of God's family is salvation, and the only way to salvation is faith in Jesus. But, hypothetically speaking, did God have to adopt us? Or could He have given us salvation through Christ without adopting us into His family? I think there's a distinction to be made between the two. It makes me all the more grateful for what God has done for me realizing He even went so far as adopting me in addition to saving me.

Did he have to? I would argue yes. Think about it. There hasn’t been a single person that has been saved but not adopted. We were once in his family, but The Fall caused us to be separated from him. The salvation is him offering to bring us back.

And I’ll even go a step further. It makes me thankful to know that God came to me to adopt me instead of making me come to him. I’m too sinful to do that by myself.

And why hasn't there been a single person that has been saved but not adopted? Because God predestined that anyone who believes on Jesus would be adopted. He doesn't arbitrarily decide who gets adopted after they are saved, He predetermined that anyone who believes on Christ should be adopted. He didn't have to make us His children again, we could've been saved and been second class citizens really. Think about the parable of the prodigal son. He was going to return to his father's house to be a servant, but his father welcomed him back as a son. He didn't have to, but that's what he did. It's the same sort of thing with our adoption into the family of God.

I see what you're saying. The predestination is talking about how people who get saved are predestined to be adopted. But the place where we disagree is whether or not those are 2 different things.

I don't really get what you mean by second-class citizens. Do you mean angels? Adam and Eve were never second-class to God. They were always his children. Then they fell, and then God provided a way for his children to come back so he could adopt them again. There wasn't a separation of salvation and adoption. They were the same thing. Jesus even says we must be born again, which indicates child of God.

In the case of the prodigal son, the father didn't have to take his son back into his household at all. Not only did he do so, but his father was eagerly waiting for him. Once he saw him a great distance away, he ran out to meet him. The father even said that his son was dead and is alive again.

Yeah exactly

I guess sort of like angels, as in just as the position of servant rather than a son. In a certain sense they were always His children, in the sense of creation, but not in like, a legal heirship sort of thing if that makes sense. For example, John 1:12 talks about those who believe being given the power to become sons of God, implying they weren't before they believed. And the born again thing wouldn't necessarily mean that we're part of God's family, it's talking about being born of the spirit, because we've inherited a dead spirit from Adam. But that's not necessarily the same as having the role of a son.

Exactly. God didn't have to save us, but He did. But I bring up that example because it shows how the son would have returned to his father, but at a lower status than sonship. The father however chose to welcome him back as a son.

It's kind of a nuanced difference, but I really don't think God had to give us the position of sonship once we were saved.

So uh why'd I lose my mod on msmg this time?

I dunno, you were probably inactive, I didn't do it

A banned like 3 alts so I was doing things