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How DARE you... | NAZIS ARE NOT LEFT-WINGERS!
YOU CAN ASK ANYBODY! YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING!
NAZIS ARE TOTALLY RIGHT-WING!
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The pivotal step to fascism is big government, and the next step is one that believes it has the right to control, regulate and tax every miniscule aspect of an individuals life.

Would be pretty hard for a dictator to have started s**t if he was limited to parks and public libraries
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Same problem here: size of government is not the defining feature, that's a circular definition created deliberately by you guys to confuse the conversation on purpose.
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Provide a list of nations that fall under the title of
Anarcho-fascism or libertarian-fascism.

If big government isn't a defining feature then there should be plenty of nations taken over by Governments that don't have the power to take them over
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Why would a list of nations run under those names verify that left wing is big government by definition?
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If a government isn't big enough to take over and enforce it's rules, it can't take over and enforce it's rules.

So like I said, give me some examples of a micro-government that is ruling its fascist power over it's nation.
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You are aware that Italy lost World War 2 and was annexed by Germany to prevent it from being completely overrun by the allies?

Is that small enough government for you?
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Italy is literally the text book definition on the emergence of fascism with Mussolini.
You're literally arguing for a guy who ran his nation with big government...the prerequisite for his ability to be a fascist ruler
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....yes, and it was taken over by bigger governments when external pressure made the whole nation crumple like paper.

Thereby fulfilling your criterion of a government too small to sustain itself.

Thereby contradicting your thesis that big government is a defining feature of the left wing of the political axis.
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You literally just proved my point.

Italy wasn't fascist....big government came in...Italy became big government...fascism started.

Small government didn't collapse by being small, it collapsed because, in your own words, it was other BIG GOVERNMENTS that did it.

Literally big governments making Italy a big government which Mussolini used for literal fascism...which he couldn't have done with small government

Thanks for playing. You literally just admitted big government is a prerequisite for being fascist, not only on it's own nations but others too
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Oh, BIG SURPRISE - an example that fulfils the goal post that you yourself set up doesn't count because reasons!!!!

There's an inherent contradiction in the semantic framework you set up and you know it. Right wing does not refer to the size of government and fascism is right wing because it is ultranationalist hyperconservative backlash against left wing liberalism. Your attempted revisionism of history and language cannot change that.
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You gave the example. It's your words, you agreed to everything below.

Was Italy fascist when it was a small government? No.
What changed it? Big governments showed up and made it change by force.
What happened when Italy became big government? Mussolini rules the nation as a fascist.

Could Mussolini have done this with a small government? No.

When asked to show examples of small government fascists, your only argument is a desperate attempt to try and convince people that a small theoretical government who can't enforce it's rules...can somehow enforce it's rules... Of which you have no examples...you know, because it makes no sense.

Pathetic
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OK. But they were. The guy who built them from scratch and lead them said so many times.
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Hey, I remember you... you still haven't learned, have you? Still with the "Hitler said it, therefore it must be true" stuff? Hitler obviously didn't know his Left from his Right. Nazis are Totalitarians and Totalitarianism is a sickness of the Left! Q.E.D: Nazis are Leftists.
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Right, so as I told you then, your premise for how left and right is defined is not correct. Political left and right were originally coined to organize factions in the government in the French Revolution, where monarchy restorations were seated on the right of the assembly. It is nonsense to say that the people supporting a literal totalitarian monarch were the anti-totalitarians. You did not deal with that contradiction then and that's why you're still stuck on your misconception now.

Right wing politics deals with the inequality of society being a feature and not a bug - monarchy exists as a natural order of things, wealthy industrialists exist as a natural order of things, and under Nazism the racial hierarchy is assumed to be a natural feature.

It's not Hitler who didn't understand what left and right meant, it's you!
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18th Century French politics has nothing to do with it... and for the record, I'm not a monarchist. It's really very simple:
1.) Nazis are Totalitarians.
2.) Totalitarianism is a sickness of the Left.
People like you (and Hitler, when he was alive) are confused because you believe that anything you disagree with must come from the other side of the ideological fence. At some point Hitler said to himself: "Y'know, those darn Marxists and Jews are all Left-wingers and I really don't like them very much, so I must be Right-wing." Your "thinking" is probably along those same lines: "I'm a liberal and I disapprove of Nazism, therefore Nazism must be Right-wing" It's not unreasonable, but it is completely wrong. The ideological positions of Nazis, Communists, Islamo-fascists, etc. has nothing to do with what you or I think of them, but rather with what they think about the Individual vs. the State. That -- not who sat on which side of the chamber in 18th Century France -- is what ideology is all about.

Let go of the nonsense you learned as a child and think for yourself.
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IT'S LITERALLY THE SOURCE OF THE TERM!! HOW CAN IT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT????
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This isn't about words... it's about ideas. Contemporary ideological thinking has nothing to with who sat where in 18th Century Paris. Ideology is an argument about the proper relationship between the Individual and the State. Those who seek to misuse the powers of the State to impose their thinking on others who disagree with them are the Left-wing bad guys. That's ANYBODY who wants to misuse the power of the State.

This is the main point and you seem to be having some difficulty with it.

If you're hung up on the words "left" and "right" try saying "evil" and "good" instead.
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.....this definitely is about you not knowing what the words that express your ideas actually mean.
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Again, my advice, if you're really can't process the words: replace "left" with "evil" or "tyranny" and "right" with "good" or "liberty" and see if that doesn't help to clear up your confusion...
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It does not. Not even a little bit. You haven't actually proven that left wing politics IS evil and you're still defining these words incorrectly.
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