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2 ups, 2y,
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Because global poverty or preventable disease is America’s fault (Or capitalism’s for that matter), and not authoritarianism and dictators.
3 ups, 2y
America should rule the world so we can stop world hunger XD
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fascism is capitalism's final form and is basically capitalism on steroids and bc I don't have free healthcare or much money now I can't get the help I need just bc I don't have the money
in capitalism its about maximizing profits as much as possible while in communism its about helping your community if you look at the policy of having free healthcare it's considered left-wing bc your not trying to maximize the economy thru medical things like medicines or tools
with capitalism, money is more important than helping the people
needless starvation is popular among these capitalist nations but overconsumption market inefficiencies and lack of incentive to better distribute food comes at a cost to the people the institute for food and development policy calculates that we make enough food to feed everyone 1.5 times the population of the earth
and according to the world health organization, 1.5 million people die easily from vaccine-preventable diseases simply bc they could not afford it the markets don't incentivize companies to help people but to make a profit and make people pay extortionate sums of money for basic and important medication and treatments so millions who cannot afford them have to go without which often leads to death simply bc they cannot pay for them we have also seen this during the covid 19 crisis where poorer countries couldn't get there hands on the vaccine as soon as resource-rich states like the US and Britain another problem is lack of access to clean water which causes diseases that kill over 1.6 mil people every year
according to the world health organization 785 mil people lack even a basic drinking water service including 144 mil people who are dependent on surface water globally 2 bil people use a drinking water source contaminated with feces we have invented many ways of purifying it but bc of capitalisms prioritization of private profit over human interests/needs those resources don't go to those who don't pay
(usually, those who need them the most) and so people die
we covered how capitalism exploits medicine needless starvation and people don't have clean drinking water
1 up, 2y,
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fascism is basically unions on steroids, except the union boss is the government
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEbG3cD0cJo&t=75s&ab_channel=MarxistLiteratureCollective
1 up, 2y,
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here, this one actually provides evidence https://youtu.be/dlXqFgqOviw
oh, this one might be helpful too https://youtu.be/qdY_IMZH2Ko
and if you're still not convinced https://youtu.be/eCkyWBPaTC8
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https://www.vox.com/2019/3/27/18283879/nazism-socialism-hitler-gop-brooks-gohmert
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpwf2hn22Nc
1 up, 2y,
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did you watch the videos? I watched yours, and had already read the britannica and wikepedia articles months ago. If you haven't watched them, then please, do not send me more links.
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yes I have but I still have a very hard time agreeing that hitler was socialist
1 up, 2y,
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the last one is 5 hours long, liar
0 ups, 2y,
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"so please don't keep telling me Hitler is a socialist"
I wasnt?
1 up, 2y
you know what I mean
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https://fullfact.org/online/nazis-socialists/
1 up, 2y
again, stop sending me links until you've watched those videos I sent. If you can't look at the material I send you, I'm not looking at the material you send me.
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I put that one in my watch later
1 up, 2y
the second one is an hour long
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that one was blocked for me bc school chromebook
1 up, 2y
I started rewatching the first one on x2 speed before sending you the link and am just now finishing it
1 up, 2y
almost like you didn't watch them, so please don't keep telling me Hitler is a socialist
0 ups, 2y
capitalism capitalizes on people's troubles to put it simply while communism serve the peoples interest and needs
0 ups, 2y
which is why we should ban money and ban markets
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I will not fall victim to a capitalist society where I can die of preventable things bc I simply don't have money
CHINA #1
0 ups, 2y,
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“China #1”
I thought you literally said China wasn’t actually communist but state capitalist.
Or have you just gone full tankie
1 up, 2y,
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that was a joke it is a state capitalist society its not even true communism if anything it goes against the ideals of communism in fact any form of auth communism isn't real communism bc everyone is supposed to be equal but yet there is a hierarchy which means there isn't equality
anarcho-communism is the only true form of communism that matches the ideals of communism
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oh ok
Thanks for letting me know
1 up, 2y,
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and this is with the debunked numbers of death under communist countries from the black book of communism btw
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1 up, 2y,
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good thing im not 35
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1 up, 2y,
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good thing im not 34 either DEBOONKED AGAIN!!!
1 up, 2y,
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I’m guessing closer to 14?
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15 but I been a dedicated anarcho communist since the age of 10
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10??
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since 10 yes so it been 5 years now
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What are your specific beliefs?
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I believe we should abolish money class and state and markets
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im also a transhumanist and expansionist im also very very progressive as well as an egoist
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How is global poverty America's fault?
1 up, 2y,
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its not just america but under capitalism in general this was to compare the death rate to capitalism to communism
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Ah, I see it now.
1 up, 2y
but to answer your question on that US sanctions can contribute to global poverty
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0 ups, 2y,
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20 million killed in Russia, best joke yet
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and Russia has a fascist leader
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20 million is much much more than the actual truth these numbers came from the big black book of communism which has been debunked and even the authors of the book tried to distance themselves from the book those numbers were simply inflated to drive a point with their anti-communist propaganda
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Livre_noir_du_capitalisme
https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/the-victims-of-capitalism/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/26/communists-capitalism-stalinism-economic-model
0 ups, 2y
it was like 250 years of slavery
where are you even getting these numbers? I don't think that 100 million slaves even existed in the US when you add them all up
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Let's pretend those numbers are correct. They're not. But let's pretend they are.
Government sanctions slavery is STILL BEING USED in communist countries like China and Vietnam. Government sanctioned genocide is STILL taking place in communist China. (Millions of Uighurs & Tibetans "disappearing" to slave labor camps and all that implies.
Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia, etcetera: after the "capitalists" left, the communists starved out, tortured and killed millions upon millions.
Marxism, or more specifically the communist dictatorships that always result from Marxism are responsible for more suffering and death that anything in history. Only the black death and Genghis Khan beat communism in percent of world population killed.
And we're a couple years away from Marxism claiming another billion lives as an unintended side effect of world war 3. The poorest people on the earth only eat because of free grain from rich countries. And when I say "rich countries" I'm talking about the west. I'm talking about capitalism.
Once world war three kicks off, the third world can go back to eating sand since the commies have no problem starving out their own people and you know they're not bailing out anyone else.
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capitalism literally kills 100 million people every half decade thats 1 black book of communism every half decade
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You mean the millions killed in Chinese death camps count as "capitalism deaths?" You're not making a very good arguement.
1 up, 2y
I made an entire post on this called the black post of capitalism you should give it a read imgflip.com/i/6usr55
1 up, 2y,
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capitalism has killed more than communism and will continue to kill more than communism has ever would even by the most anti-communist and hysterical standards
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You included communist genocides in Vietnam, China, north Korea, Afghanistan etcetera as "Capitalism deaths."
Of course "capitalism" is to blame for more death if you count ALL DEATH as capitalism.
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if you are talking about the bottom white part thats the death under communism
1 up, 2y,
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the kulaks starved themselves by destroying their crops and killing their animals the USSR didn't starve them they did it to themselves and they didn't do it on 1 occasion but on multiple occasions which is the reason why Ukraine starved during ww2 if they didn't do what they did they wouldn't have starved to them being dumb but I don't disagree with you on those auth communist countries it's not good imo as an extremist lib left I agree that those communist countries aren't holding true to what communism is for (for the people) they need to change I believe if direct democracy was introduced and banned markets and other things and just allowed the people to be the countries taken by auth communism wouldn't be that bad if reformed into a more libertarian communist country
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The dirty capitalists starve themselves!
Communism had nothing go do with it!
Listen to yourself. If you actually believe any of that, you'd be wise to find some better history books...
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`Their [kulak] opposition took the initial form of slaughtering their cattle and horses in preference to having them collectivized. The result was a grievous blow to Soviet agriculture, for most of the cattle and horses were owned by the kulaks. Between 1928 and 1933 the number of horses in the USSR declined from almost 30,000,000 to less than 15,000,000; of horned cattle from 70,000,000 (including 31,000,0000 cows) to 38,000,000 (including 20,000,000 cows); of sheep and goats from 147,000,000 to 50,000,000; and of hogs from 20,000,000 to 12,000,000. Soviet rural economy had not recovered from this staggering loss by 1941.

`... Some [kulaks] murdered officials, set the torch to the property of the collectives, and even burned their own crops and seed grain. More refused to sow or reap, perhaps on the assumption that the authorities would make concessions and would in any case feed them.

`The aftermath was the ``Ukraine famine'' of 1932--33 .... Lurid accounts, mostly fictional, appeared in the Nazi press in Germany and in the Hearst press in the United States, often illustrated with photographs that turned out to have been taken along the Volga in 1921 .... The ``famine'' was not, in its later stages, a result of food shortage, despite the sharp reduction of seed grain and harvests flowing from special requisitions in the spring of 1932 which were apparently occasioned by fear of war in Japan. Most of the victims were kulaks who had refused to sow their fields or had destroyed their crops.' - http://marxism.halkcephesi.net/Ludo%20Martens/node77.html
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Mass starvation, mass murder & purges of minorities isn't a "quirk in the system" of communism. It is the system.
See:
China starving out millions in their "great leap forward" it was considered a necessary evil. It wasn't an accident.
See:
China murdering a million Turkish Uighurs in their forced labor camp. Wiping out an unpopular ethnic minority isn't a "side effect" it's the goal.
See:
Stalin purging Jews because they had "too much money." This wasn't a side effect of communism. This was communism.
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stalin didnt purge jews Soviet/Russian Legislation Against National or Racial Hatred and Discrimination was passed and protected minorities and was actually considered a death sentence if you violated it jews were protected
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Stalin did purge Jews.
Stalin purged anyone who had money of disagreed with him.
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If you check actual history:
The people resisting communism refused to give up their farms. The commies killed them and replaced them with transported laborers from the cities.
This was a disaster because the new laborers had no idea how to farm.
Compounding this: the party members in charge of "central" planning lied about how much wheat their new laborers produced to avoid being killed by the Kremlin.
So all the grain actually produced on the inefficient communal farms went to the big cities and the countryside (like the former Ukraine) starved out while balls deep in wheat and rye.
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just saying crapitalism causes a black book of communism estimated deaths every half decade and thats with its hysterical anti-communist claims of deaths (100 mil) and thats every half decade under capitalism
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Your numbers are wrong.
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bad choice by the leader not ideology but still Venezuela isnt considered a communist economy but more of a mixed economy and plus one of the reasons for this crisis is that the country has overly depended on petroleum rather than focusing on diversifying its economy. Between 2014 and 2015, the price of oil dropped by 50%, cutting earnings by around $60 billion.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/important-facts-related-to-the-economy-of-venezuela.html
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in what way?
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Vietnam, Korea, hunger, terrorism, disease and so on aren't capitalism deaths.
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By the early 2010s, economic actions taken by Chávez's government during the preceding decade, such as overspending and price controls, became unsustainable. Venezuela's economy faltered while poverty, inflation and shortages in Venezuela increased.

its bc of overspending and hyperinflation

The crisis in Venezuela began with the presidency of Hugo Chávez when he used the revenue from the oil to fund government spending. It was no longer sustainable to fund government spending from the revenue generated by oil and this caused the Venezuelan economy to shake. This led to poverty, inflation, and shortages.

just a bad choice by the leader not the ideology
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Communist military dictator Chavez used big government communism to destroy his country but it's not big government communism's fault?
Are you actually going to argue this?
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america (a capitalist country) have sent troops to korea and vietnam to fight a proxy war with the USSR with the fight being between communist and capitalist countries and its preventable diseases that could have been prevented if it wasnt profit over human well being and terrorism done in the name of profit
capitalist deaths
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Ok so North Korea's funding of global terrorism, starving out millions of it's own people and trying to nuke Asia back to the stone age is the USA's fault for bailing out South Korea and spending billions of capitalist dollars to rebuild it into a real country?
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and again same thing with the hunger private profit over human well-being ppl died in capitalist countries from starvation as well as hunger-related diseases
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Communism starves out many more people than capitalism. No modern government system does much to fight 3rd world starvation.
Currently capitalism is responsible for the only source of food for starving countries: free grain from the west to poor countries. And when we say the "west" we mean north America.
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and plus america have done terrorism before mainly with its attempts at CIA coups of other nations hurting civilians in the process
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Muslim terrorism isn't capitalism.
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if you look at the post i sent you it covers these topics
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wrong actually capitalism have been long associated with hunger AND inequality and plus America and soviet citizens eat about the same in caloric intake but again in socialist society its goal is to help its citizen by giving them food to survive while in a capitalist society its profit over human well being like I keep saying no money no food meaning a deficit of your needs not being met simply bc you dont have money also 9 mil ppl die a year due to hunger
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP85M00363R000601440024-5.pdf
and capitalism once caused a famine so bad it was bigger in death of starvation more than jews that was burned during the 2nd world war

Various figures quoted by historians tell a harrowing tale of the great Bengal Famine. In one of the most brutal examples of capitalism, the British wiped out an entire generation for mere profits. The reported number of deaths due the famine was even greater than the Jews incineration during World War II.
1 up, 2y
Yeah. Formerly rich and well fed capitalist countries like Venezuela that went commie and are now being starved out by their governments are definitely the USA's fault.
We forced em to go commie and destroy their country 👍
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and we are just gonna act like capitalist countries dont do this either?
but to answer your question they intervened when they didnt have to go to war with the north they could have focused on just south korea and had the choice to not get involved in the war but yet got involved with it also south korea is as well capitalist
1 up, 2y
Capitalism is the only source of food for these people. They currently have nothing except charity from wealthy nations. And again when I say wealthy nations: I'm not talking about communist China.
0 ups, 2y
I said cia coups not muslim terrorism
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During the era of British rule in India (1765–1947), 12 major famines occurred (in 1769–1770, 1783–1784, 1791–1792, 1837–1838, 1860–1861, 1865–1867, 1868–1870, 1873–1874, 1876–1878, 1896–1897, 1899–1900, and 1943–1944) which lead to the deaths of millions people (Maharatna, 1996).
12 MAJOR famines caused by capitalist British rule in india
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they starved themselves and gave up the state did nothing towards thems but let them continue destroying themselves once they given up the multiple attempts to stop the state from making them collectivize they gave in
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you can check the USSR archives they put down EVERYTHING and they did this bc of stalins paranoia its so documented in the archives that im positive you can figure ot what stalin was wearing and what he ate for dinner
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They did not starve themselves and Stalin's "USSR archives" are not a good source of Stalin's various warcrimes as he's not very well going to incriminate himself, is he?
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was there any proof that he did this?
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Yes.
Every history book ever written by anyone not on stalin's payroll.
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also Stalin's 5-year plans worked so well that he did 50 to 100 years of advancements in 10 years honestly a good man in my opinion
0 ups, 2y
He would definitely win a Nobel peace prize for killing 20 million people 👍
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I said COMPARE I did not add the two together (there are 2 seperate numbers on top for capitalism bottom one for communism) but I knew you would say this so I have another post for you to look over that counts capitalist deaths
imgflip.com/i/6usr55
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Save it for peetoo...
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stalin documented everything including the Ukraine famine he was very transparent and blunt when it came to documentation mainly bc of paranoia and to see if anything was unusual or not right he documented well and everything he could
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Stalin was very transparent when it came to documentation
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Stalin "disappeared" anyone who disagreed with him and tried to erase them from history.
He was not transparent.
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still crazy that crapitalism kills more than communism have even by the most hysterical and anti communist standards
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You got that number by counting all communist deaths, and disease deaths as capitalism deaths...
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yes they did they fought the state by destroying what the state wanted they weren't going to confront the state by military force so they destroyed their crops their animals and the tools they needed, therefore, resulting in famine bc the kulaks didn't wanna collectivize bc they were afraid of losing the little bit they had they starved themselves Stalin didn't do anything to Ukraine the farmers did it
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"Ukraine starved itself!"
Probably pick a different hill to die on than that.
1 up, 2y
they did it to themselves to resist collectivizing
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Capitalism turns food, a life essential, into a commodity to be bought and sold. And while capitalist agriculture is adept at producing that commodity cheaply and making corporations richer, it is no good at providing living wage jobs, or sustaining healthy environments or bodies.

if you dont have the cash dont expect help private profit over human well being
and with market allocations, the food never gets distributed well either meaning that the food get distributed well neither
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Without capitalism you wouldn't have the food in the first place.
Communism dis-incentivizes productivity since the government keeps everything, so communist countries have to employ defacto slave labour to get the food, by killing people who won't work.
Which is why the food being eaten in communist North Korea doesn't come from communist North Korea.
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im pretty sure communist countries also produce food
Under communism, none of the "means of production"– such as factories and land – are owned by individuals. Instead, all people work together for the common good, not for profit. The wealth produced is shared among the people, based on their needs, rather than on their contribution to the work.

this policy was also apart of stalins 5 year plan the same 1/2 plans that made the USSR advance 50-100 years in a matter of 10 years
As part of the first five-year plan, collectivization was introduced in the Soviet Union by general secretary Joseph Stalin in the late 1920s as a way, according to the policies of socialist leaders, to boost agricultural production through the organization of land and labor into large-scale collective farms (kolkhozy) ...
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