They gotta problem with what is showing up on their doorstep

Who cares what the migrants think? I mean, they could have declined the free trip or, better yet, applied for asylum the legal way.

Why do you keep calling them migrates? They are illegal aliens, and have no rights to anything in America.

Check the Bill of Rights again. No where does it say only citizens have a right to due process and civil rights.

Our Constitution and the freedoms it protects against government, corruption, and injustices are meaningless and hypocritical if they do not belong to all people.

And while the US’s jurisdiction remains on it’s lands and shores, within our borders those rights should be protected and must be. For tomorrow anyone could strip YOU of your so-called inalienable rights if a country suddenly decides YOU are not a citizen.

Fortunately citizenship only grants you the right to live here. And, if you were born here and commit a crime, to remain here. No more, no less.

Yeah, and illegal alien is in the Constitution. So pick and choose what you need, when the Constitution doesn't fit your needs at this peticular moment in time.

Gotcha. So asylum seekers should just be given unfettered access to a country that they are not citizens of because the location and manner of which they declare is irrelevant. Lol.

Not at all. But restricting where they can apply, how they apply, or the qualifications is just as equally ridiculous. But I’m glad you find yourself and serious issues so amusing even if you are rather simple in your us vs. them mentality. That tribalism politics really isn’t doing your cognitive skills or ability to debate; let alone have a casual online conversation any good.

Nobody restricted them, file for asylum in the first country you come into, and we'll get to you next. Ever been to the DMV American citizen?

You don’t have to file for asylum. You can literally verbally ask any time and place. Asylum can be denied, sure, but not without strict reason. Crossing the border illegally is not a reason to deny asylum seekers. Asylum seekers with known terrorist or criminal connections however is another thing entirely. And what information they’re willing to contribute, if any, if they do.

Asylum isn’t like the DMV. It’s more like US airport security. 2002-2010

Humans are by nature, tribal. So what are you talking about progressive?

Tribalism has no place in the domain of politics. The root word of politics comes from polis; that which concerns the city (or the state) and the citizen. The dichotomy of what is best for the individual verses the state is the eternal struggle of politics. To introduce tribalism into it erases the importance of the individual and creates two or more clashes of state. When the individual is ignored or forgotten between two opposing states, it ceases to be a debate and becomes war.

That isn’t to say war is devoid of politics nor that war isn’t a viable option. However, if a person would prefer mock, arrest, or kill anyone solely because of political opposition rather than seek acknowledgement, compromise, and mutual interest then that person’s motive is questionable. It is no good being loyal if what you’re loyal to is evil. To put it another way, tribalism is a synonym for partisan. To ignore good ideas just because they didn’t come from your tribe is incredibly naive and antithetical to bureaucracy and diplomacy.

Sovereign nations have every prerogative to regulate who and how people enter. I find you amusing despite your silly personal attacks. Try to stick to the topic instead.

Wait, so what the f**k is a sovereign nation? Anybody that promises you money to vote democrat?

as long as you don't send an illegal migrant to martha's vineyard i guess!

The migrants were legal.

If they were illegal, DeSantis could’ve gotten them a plane back to Venezuela.

Another limited understanding on your end. It definitely clears that up.

Not sure how the limited understanding is on my end if I’m the one who has to keep correcting you.

But cool opinion, I guess.

So which is it? Are they legally allowed here, signed a waiver and agreed to go to Massachusetts voluntarily and then got kicked out, or are they illegally here, signed a waiver and agreed to go to Massachusetts voluntarily and then got kicked out?

Neither.

They are legally allowed here, signed a waiver under false pretenses by Republican governors that they had court proceedings in Massachusetts, which they didn’t, and then placed in temporary housing on a military base until they can get their situation, messed up by radical Republicans, sorted.

Those are the facts.

I hope that clears things up for you.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-and-asylum/asylum/obtaining-asylum-in-the-united-states

Asylum must be applied for and granted.
You don't get to just declare it.

Again, asylum can be requested and is usually granted.

The paperwork is just a formality. It even states that paperwork for filing can be up to a year nor does it state that asylum status is pending.

In fact, asylum for affirmation must be on US soil regardless of their immigration status.

Regardless, once an illegal immigrant files for asylum, they’re recognized as a refugee and are no longer simplify classified as illegal. (Except by anti-immigrant propagandists who have no understanding of the law.)

Again, if they were illegal, DeSantis and the Texan governor could’ve had the deported back to Venezuela.

Yawn.

Gonna try another semantics angle or you going to quit while I’m ahead?

No need. You already demonstrated you don't understand what you're talking about and then cry about semantics. Keep it up if you like, you're fun to watch.

You’ve failed to demonstrate the people in Martha’s Vineyard are illegal and believe there is no difference between citizenship vetting and asylum.

Asylum is a legal procedure. They have up to a year to file it but can remain in the country. It requires little to no vetting and usually allows refugees an extension and stay in a country so they aren’t immediately deported to a war torn country.

Believing that all who apply for asylum, or claim to, are illegal is just political propaganda.

And I’d be laughing at your ignorance if your solution isn’t just murdering women and children but with more bureaucratic steps while crying about being the victim.

waiting for asylum doesn't mean legal.

Asylum isn’t like citizenship. There is no waiting period. The only thing they are waiting for is full citizenship. Because they lack citizenship, home, and work; does not make them illegal immigrants.

The moment they request asylum, it is granted until revoked. It cannot simply be revoked by a state official or law; as that is federal jurisdiction.

The assumption that those sent to Martha’s Vineyard were illegal migrants shows a profound lack of understanding. State and federal officials CAN deport illegal immigrants. Because they were legal, they could not be deported but they can be sent out of state.

The problem is that doing so without authorization is still a crime, and it violated the civil rights of these legal immigrants who had hearings in the state that they were removed from. This was an attempt to make them miss their day in court and prevent them from obtaining citizenship. Not asylum.

If DeSantis was denying asylum, he’d be in way way more trouble than he already is and could have additional charges of manslaughter and illegal trafficking added to his list of criminal offenses in this publicity stunt.

That is true, however, letting people starve to death while ignoring their cries for help is not a prerogative of the state. It is a moral imperative they control that problem before it becomes worse. There are always consequences in sacrificing women and children to neglect and ambivalence.

Did you see the migrant they interviewed outside her house? He seemed pretty happy. Saying that the border is open and everyone thinks it is open and that is why they came. I heard some of the migrants in Martha's Vinyard were not so happy.
But...government flying migrant children in the dead of night secretly all over the country and migrants housed in plastic cages and literally dying to get here...at the hand of the democrats...all fine...but Texas, Florida and Arizona flying them to Democrat ran so called Sanctuary cities...that's the crime.
Me personally I disagree with it

Yeah, it kind of is when their hearings for citizenship are in Texas, Florida, and Arizona.

This political stunt was a waste of taxpayer money. And the homes that should’ve gone to military families are being occupied by migrants.

Guess who that pisses off?

Voters.

Dumb move, Trumplicans.

Wait, you mean the Bidenites that let the door wide open... lol nm rhetorical quandary

People who don’t vote for Trump are not comparable to Cult45. Nor are all who voted for Trump, either or both times, Cult45 members.

Do not mistake your cults lack of popularity due to the reign of an imagined one, nor that the people united against Trump are singularly devoted to the incompetence of Biden. They prefer Biden, flaws and all, over Trump’s obvious corruption and complacency with the establishment.

You stole Georgia, just admit it already.

Do you mean why did I start this comment thread?

Wait, you mean actual american citizens have a problem with what The Biden Administration Committee is doing to America?

I’m sure they do but I fail to see how that’s relevant to my comment.

I believe refugees, especially ones that entered the country and applied for asylum legally, are more pissed that they were shipped far away from their appointments to further deter them from being allowed the ability to follow through toward their goal of legal citizenship.

Their ire is not toward the administration but the overreaching state Republicans who has no authority nor precedent to do this.