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Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) vs. Thomas Paine - Who Would Win?

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) vs. Thomas Paine - Who Would Win? | Member of Congress, 2022: "I want what is good for my state so I can get re-elected. Everyone else can go to hell."; Thomas Paine, 1776: "The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion." | image tagged in who would win,thomas paine,politics,politics lol,i am the senate,senators | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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advocated the right of the people to overthrow their government...

OOPS
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"Where there are no distinctions there can be no superiority; perfect equality affords no temptation. The Republics of Europe are all (and we may say always) in peace. Holland and Switzerland are without wars, foreign or domestic: Monarchical governments, it is true, are never long at rest: the crown itself is a temptation to enterprising ruffians at home; and that degree of pride and insolence ever attendant on regal authority, swells into a rupture with foreign powers in instances where a republican government, by being formed on more natural principles, would negociate the mistake."

https://oll.libertyfund.org/page/1776-paine-common-sense-pamphlet

Thomas Paine advocated a "republican," i.e. democratic form of government. He was bitterly opposed to monarchy and despotism, which he singled out as the cause of wars and strife.

He also recognized that not all revolutions are created equal, and that domestic turmoil can just as easily set back the cause of liberty.

If Paine ever argued that the people ought to have the right to overthrow an established democratic government in order to re-establish to a tyranny of the minority and favored, I'm not aware.

He was also against organized religion! Cool guy!
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Guilty of seditious libel... something they still can charge you for in Canada today... LOL
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Well, yes. I'm quite sure that 100% of the Founders were guilty of being traitors to the Crown.

But... not guilty of treason to the new American Republic! Funny how that works!

The various churches of his day would also quarrel with his thoughts on organized religion.
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Yes... the irony of your "hero" is lost on you... LOL
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The only irony here is that American history is indeed full of traitors who falsely claimed the Founding as their own inspiration.

Heck, it didn't even take that long!

Anti-tax "patriots" out in the boonies imagined they were following in Washington's footsteps when they staged an armed revolt against the federal government.

Washington had different thoughts on the matter.
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Yes... I already said it was lost on you...

LMAO
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Irony is indeed being lost here, but General Sherman X Doubts that it's on me.

Would you also like to consider the example of the American Civil War and how that turned out for those who sought to destroy American unity?
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And moving right along with a civil war war criminal... LOL

you can really pick'em...
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https://billofrightsinstitute.org/essays/william-tecumseh-sherman-and-total-war

Gen. Sherman's "March to the Sea" was a policy of directed severity, aimed at degrading the ability of Confederacy to persist in an unwinnable war - however, it was not indiscriminate slaughter. The idea of Sherman as a war criminal is pro-Confederate Lost Cause revisionism.

I bring him up to support the idea that the American state is fully capable of dealing with traitors in the manner they deserve - that is to say, harshly.
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Yes... you would ignore documented war crimes on his behalf...
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Alright, Neo-Confederate.

I really love our conversations - in your pithy trollish ways, you have a knack for bringing out the main fault line that has divided American politics since not only Civil War times, but since its Founding, frankly.

Here on Team Blue: the America which can trace its lineage back to Enlightenment thought. The pro-democracy America, which has always carried with it a healthy skepticism of religious and hereditary claims. Which has continually fought for the expansion of human rights and personal liberties, which strives toward equality and inclusion under a banner of national unity. Which is best expressed in the elegant phrase, "With liberty and justice for all."

And over here on Team Red: Those whom the Enlightenment missed. Who remain mired in religious superstition and resentments, eager to partition themselves from the rest of America with "states' rights" (and failing that, overt treason), buoyed by a politics of cheap shots taken at the poor, at immigrants, at minorities, at Native Americans, at the enslaved and formerly enslaved. The politics of "I got mine," which can also be phrased as "Liberty for me, not for thee."

The more things change, the more they really stay the same.
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yup... you're reduced to name calling... got it..
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